Spending an hour in the gym every other day means you don't have to give up much.

If a person has time for tv, they have time for exercise.


But fuck it...why do I care? It's a huge advantage for me so please everyone, continue the flab-fest.

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I will never understand the radical defense of the idea that women care that much about abs...

In no particular order:

1. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be in shape. I got back into lifting weights, I just acknowledge my motivation isn't to get buff to get laid.

2. As I said before, there is a spectrum of physical shapes and levels of fitness. The "flab fest" comment was just a lousy insult, grow up.

3. If a person has other priorities over weightlifting, that is their choice. It doesn't automatically make him or her lazy, or even fat. You can't do everything, humans have limited resources and unlimited wants. That's economics 101.

4. Looks at best will get you attention, if the girl is into that look. That is literally it. There is no "huge advantage." As I said, you can get attention in a myriad of ways.

Ultimately, I hate this line of thinking that you have to become a bodybuilder or athlete for pickup because it ends up with new guys going to the gym when they should be talking to women. You wanna be ripped? Fine, just don't complain when women aren't fawning over you.

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They care about abs the way you and I care about a nice ass, or long feminine hair. It matters. But from all the woman I've spoken with, shoulders, arms, and chest are of higher priority. Especially arms.

It helps maintain masculine/feminine polarity. Women want to feel in their feminine, and feeling/embracing a big man gives them this right away. They melt without you saying a word.

Wasn't directed at you, just the couching lifestyle guys who make it much easier for me picking up hired guns at bars/clubs.

I'd wager any man not hitting the gym is out of shape/fat/flimsy.
Looks/body are a massive advantage over guys who aren't fit. It's just science. Unless you're Kevin Costner.

Why is it either or? It's easy to do both.

This kind of false choice feels like ego protection.

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Except the actual science disagrees. Women who have been set up on fMRIs to study arousal mechanisms show far less stimulation in the brain when shown images of men in great shape as opposed to the reverse. Now, when asked women will claim they are turned on by looks - actual brain scans dispute this. Some, myself included, see this as another case of female dishonesty. The scientists aren't sexist enough to think they mat just be saying what researchers want to hear.

In reality, men are the ones stimulated by looks, women by emotional and memory triggers. Your muscles matter very little in a broad sense. It's just one more thing left to subjectivity. Some women will like it, some wont. If you are after chicks who spend eight hours a week at the gym...okay I can see it mattering. But again, then it's a personal style thing. I know women who like muscles, I know women that dont. The further you take it, the better off you are with one niche while further alienating another.

And yes, it is that geeky to research lol.

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I think this guy answered the question for you guys. In case you missed it in my previous post.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7PAYhmoKkA[/youtube]

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I really don't think you're making an argument against what I'm saying. You can workout all you want but that won't ultimately get you the girl, although it may be the reason the girl gives you a chance. If you're not spending an hour a day in the gym it's not going to keep women from liking you because there are other attractive qualities that people can have/develop.

This whole topic is kind of being blown out of proportion.

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I'll give it this, it's inspirational, but at the same time it doesn't prove much because we all know that a nice guy can get girls phone numbers and then once they text to setup a date they get a lot of flakes. And of course the girls are going to say they were interested after the fact because who would really want to admit that they gave him their phone number just to be nice. I'd love for them to continue the infield to the point of him meeting the girl for the date. That's the only way to prove the concept of the video. He could even surprise them by not wearing the fat suit.

Personally, I'm in the looks aren't as important as most guys think camp, but I also know that it doesn't mean you can be a fat slob.

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What Jack said.

Since when did getting a girls number count as being successful?

And yes women are more stimulated by the emotional rather than physical, but you'd be naive to think any woman, ever, said: "Yeah he's a really cool guy but that six pack is suuuuch a huge turn off. Total deal breaker."

Have some common sense guys.

PS: Look how disgusted these girls are seeing the guy in OP's initial post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjYyOt06XAg&t

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Yes.

The apologizing for not working out seems like an internal defense mechanism.

The argument is nonsense. Every advantage is a fucking advantage.

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Inspirational is one word for it; I think its downright disgusting to sell that lie like this video was even real. I mean, the makeup job and fat suit look terrible, and theyve already been exposed for faking stuff. Guess what, a pickup company or instructor isnt motivated to tell you to work out, because that splits your money with them and the gym. Even a really confident fat guy isnt going to have CONSISTENCY, because of his size. This video is for suckers; guys who WANT to believe that they can be fat and get women from confidence and humor. No. Few women find fat and rolls attractive.

Having an athletic body type is attractive to women, but you dont need to go to an extreme. You dont need to be a body builder. The excuse that women are not visual is a non factor ; muscles and abs IMPLY DOMINANCE and an ACTIVE lifestyle. If you're thin or overweight, its harder for a chick to see you as a dominant or active type...now you can overcome this, but thats where your game and other factors compensate. If you're athletic build, a chick can look at you and give the benefit of doubt that you are strong and arent a couch potato. If you're TOO ripped, you can give the impression that ALL you do is hit the gym. So right in the middle, ie athletic is the sweet spot. Being in good shape, is not only visually appealing to women (I'd even argue in some ways women are more into looks than men...women pay way more attention to visual details) but also triggers emotional responses based on what those muscles imply. Same way a guy with a hot chick is more attractive because it implies he's not a complete loser, a guy with muscles and in shape implies he doesnt just stay home all day. So whether it's visual or emotional, its still an advantage.

The advantage you get is also dependent on how you "game." If you are mostly social circle guy, you have more leeway. Cold approach, you'll see more returns. Online? More returns as well. I dont think you need to get super ripped or go overboard, but having an attractive body is an advantage.

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LMAO...you're the one that posted that video... twice.

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Boom.
Agreed.
Yes, there is a fine line between "I'm in shape" and "I have severe OCD about my body (the tan cream, weird neurotic body building competitions comes to mind, but this is an extreme example).

Yes.


I simply do not comprehend this dumb argument. Fitness is a fucking advantage, end of story.

I'll have strangers simply come up and ask to feel my arm. Sure, most of them are 40+ year old overweight cougars, but it's still a nice compliment, lol.

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Body or no body, girls still want you to get them mentally in the end

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And they want to be pounded by a strong, powerful man, too. A lot. And if you're more fit, you're going to be able to fuck longer and harder and toss your woman around like a dominant male should.

The well-rounded dominant male is fully capable of hitting the gym for an hour every other day and doing all the mental improvements as well. There are, IMHO, three goals to all of this:

1. Feel good about yourself.
2. Attract more women.
3. Create a high level abundance mentality.

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