Do you really need to learn all of this pick-up techniques to get laid? It sounds like so much work, and I feel like all of it sounds un-natural. Whatever happened to just being yourself? I have done acting in high school. The Mystery Method sounds like acting. You have to plan in advance your opener, you have to have a lot of stories on you. Its all BS. Obviously there may be some people out there who are successful with this, but it just sounds so un-natural. Me, personally, I have a hard time being creative with things to say, which is why I don't try that much. What do you do?

lol i dont know how to reply to this.

First of all you need to read The Game and you will understand why, if you reinvent yourself and start acting in certain way, you will become that person that you are trying to be, you will become natural. IF you dont follow the pick up you will never have the guts to approach and to know all the women thus you wont have a chance to experience some of the things. And we humans learn by experience.

This whole pick up or game is based on natural game that has been broken down to you and show you the steps, some people have it naturally some dont and act AFC.

That method died 20 years ago. Besides look how well its worked for you. I have always valued genuinity and integrity in everyone including myself. Artificial people are one of my biggest peeves. I look at it like gaming and PUA is cheating the system. Or better yet, controlling it. Control your future cause sucess WONT just fall into your lap.

there is that breed of pua but i try to stay away from that.

my focus is on becoming a better man and with that will come more women naturally. if you need something to say to a woman, then by all means say something funny you have heard before. you probably already do it anyway in conversations. act yourself, be yourself, but most importantly learn what you are doing right and wrong and improve upon it.

Yeah don't bother with all the methods and canned stuff. From the sound of it you are like me and think its kinda lame .

But it works for some so I will leave it at that.

Take a more natural approach on all of this. One thing the books do is teach you the dynamics, with that you can just be yourself and follow the guidelines without all the pre-meditated stuff.

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well it's not just a bunch of canned routines that we do. we changed our personality, lifestyle, etc. if this all seems phony fake and you can't get a hold of it try a more natural method. i think juggler has a book on natural game. You could wait it out and be yourself and hope to find that girl of your dreams, and you could find her tomorrow, or you could die and never meet her. the point of ''gaming'' a girl is based off study off the female mind and what makes her attracted, we just take advantage of this.

p.s. sorry for the choppy writing, i'm sick and tired so i didn't feel like putting a lot of effort into this.

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One of the things I like most about the game, if not the greatest thing about it, is that it DOES teach us to be ourselves. It teaches us to fight the AFC, precisely the part of our personality that ISN'T us, but that part of us that wants to be someone ELSE, namely the guy who everyone is supposed to like, but in reality nobody respects.
Personally, I find that when I'm gaming well, I have an amazing time. That IS me. That is who I am. I wouldn't want it any other way.

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The point of the PUA is to better yourself as a person as a whole. Part of this is a social aspect, and many people who find themselves engulfed with the PUA culture also have had a hard time with the social aspect in their lives.

As a practicing PUA, I can tell you that it does begin like you said. "Canned" or unnatural. But as you progress, the idea is to become more fluid with your social dynamics. To learn to interact with not only women, but society in general in a more effective, pleasing manner.

Now, it may seem like that's a stretch, but you have to view this objectively. I'm going to use you as an example. I'm going to guess that you're probably a semi-decently to rather bright kid. You've got "everything going for you" and people expect a bunch out of you and you can't understand why. You traditionally find solace in things other than social interaction, and that has lead you to become "socially inept" in your eyes. This in turn leads to a rather large lack of confidence, and the fact that you are a virgin lowers your self-esteem even more.

Now, what I have to tell you, is short and sweet. Read. Learn. Practice.

It'll seem tough at times, and you'll probably feel like quitting. However, none of the best things in life are easy, and I can guarantee, if you stick with it, PUA will change your life for the better, and you will become a much happier person.

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I stopped at the first sentance...nuff said.

Its not all about women, its all about being a better you. The 'canned material"...thats training wheels til you internalize the concepts and underlying psychology and its all natural.

Openers simply provide an answer to the "omg what do i say" complex that most of us get when we see a women we like, after a few uses you realize it doesnt matter what you say...

No one can force you to improve, but if your not happy with being a virgin or anything else id say start reading...good luck.

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i quote king korona 'we changed our personality, lifestyle etc.'

I aint changed my personality, im still the same, except now i know where i was going wrong and what i was doing right. And it shows how attraction works and what i should do to increase it. And as for my lifestyle, that aint changed one bit.

Curious (username) Buy double your dating, read it, and then come back and tell us its all BS.

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if you dont think the gqme s natural.....dont use the canned materials that ARENT natural. Use the ideas of the game to mold youre style. The mystery method breaks down your interaction, it doesnt give you a set thing to follow, it can be changed.

I myself dont use canned materials, i use neg theory and have worked on my frame and inner game but for the most part it is jus me gaming the girl...with a little help thrown in

I personally am not much of a fan of canned material myself. However, canned material will give you the basis for success. You develop your own flow that way. I'd recommend getting Double Your Dating and the Mystery Method. Double Your Dating will show you the archetype of alpha-male with which you mold yourself. Then the Mystery Method will give you a backbone for which to go about approaching the game.

Look man its simple, being yourself just isn't the "best way" to go about meeting women. All this stuff is just how to meet them and ways to keep them. You do need to be genuine if you want the woman of your dreams. All this stuff is just to get them to be attracted to you. Its from there that you can be yourself. Your personality is whats going to keep women in your life. Are you a fun guy? Are you funny? Do you have a good life? All this stuff is about becoming a more fulfilled person. You don't change everything. At the end of the day you are still the same person that you were 10 years ago, you just feel more confident.

I haven't ever used a single canned opener. I don't have rehearsed stories that I tell to gain interest, I just relate whatever we're talking about to some story I have in my head, or make up funny jokes. You don't need to have a planned out script, or a step-by-step program.

Neither myself, nor the Doctor uses much of a framework and we get positive results. Heck, just yesterday you may have noticed that the new banners all over the site are for a book written by Gambler, who uses natural game to amazing success.

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1:hell no

2:has being yourself gotten you laid?

3: Its a way for men to show their true selves.

4: canned routines are just to get you started, I personally have only used them on a handful of people, and never have I used complete canage.

5:The canned routines can help you get into that frame of mind.

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