Hi guys, i have no problems going up to girls my only problem is keeping the conversation from fizzling out please help

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This is Sushi. A dead fish group.

The problem is that staying once a group has gone dead DLV's you and leads to the inevitable blow out. Hang around too long and it becomes apparent that their attention is important to you, and suddenly their value is higher.

Personally, I like to do hit and runs. Coming into a group and raising their energy level a bit can be great. The problem is sustaining that, or even taking them to the next level beyond that.

If a group is forcing me to drag them into a good time, I entertain them for a bit, and then leave. Their energy level drops with my exit, and I bring the fun elsewhere. They get to see me traveling the bar, making friends, laughing with new people. When I get back to them, I raise the energy level, and they begin to associate that energy and fun with my presence. I introduce them to new people, new experiences, and then I'm off again.

Unless they can give me a good reason to stay.

I absolutely love the moment of exit when they try to draw me back in.

Then it's all about body language. My body language says I'm going to leave (slightly turned outward, rocking backward, or taking a step back to see if they take a step forward to chase), and suddenly I have a group of people vying for my attention to keep me there. They came out to have fun, and I can offer that to them.

The hardest thing to learn is to walk away, but it's also the key to at least half of this game.

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Very well put Bright. Now, if we could get more guys to understand that . . . lol

who is this Bright, and why is she so? Very awesome tactic. A lot of us pretty much do this when we eject - at least I do - and don't know it. Had some fun, time to spread it. When you put it in this sense, it actually is an awesome tactic. Whoa, cool! Now time to apply that for real.

welcome to the forums

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Hey guys, I've got a question relating to this!

Last night I was at a huge party and was really trying to spread my presence around -- hit and runs, like Bright was saying. However I had this HB who I met at the beginning of the party. This chick, she was stuck to me like white on rice and she wanted to follow me around cuz (let's face it!) I'm me.

The only thing that I could think of doing was to introduce her to everyone I knew. Finally things went kinda stale because we ran out of things to say.
Also, to be honest, I had an objective that night and had surpassed it above and beyond the call of booty.

How do you get a HB to stay put or stay off your back? Also I tried using some AMOG destroyers but to no avail. =p Eventually I left her in the company of some really lame guy who, she herself, ended up ditching.

I've got her on Facebook, but I don't know if I could salvage any of it for a date or something.

- AFC Brainz

well you could take advantage of the situation....have her hanging on your arm. If she is attractive, she will be giving you social proof - then you are using her as a pivot. A wingwoman who doesn't know it

you could also just forward merge into sets until you meet a really hot guy, and kind of carry the conversation along and match those two up - once she sparks appeal for another guy, BAM you've freed yourself.

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Hey awesome and simple solution! Thanks Locke, but see, my background means that I have a problem with physical contact outside of a relationship -- I really have to work on my kino!

Hit and runs are great, but if you've got a HOT babe stuck to you, why ditch her?

Otherwise, Locke's advice is good.

There are many answers to that question, most of which are complicating! lol
But I guess that you could say that I gave myself some very precise exercises and objectives, but that I performed better than I thought I would and found myself not knowing what to do with her. =p

Well, it's GOOD to stick with precise exercises and objectives, but give yourself some wiggle room too. If the girl is that into you, use it.

I know what you mean, but I quickly noticed that I ran into some problems. I'm not sure what they are, but once I put my finger on the words I want to ask the forum members what they think.

It's almost as if someone unexpectedly came up to me, and dumped a bunch of really cool stuff on my lap. I didn't know what to do with the whole situation and I was caught off guard!

Has that ever happened to you? You don't expect to land a HB so extremely well and then you're stuck not knowing what to do next?
I know, it's a probably typical AFC problem, heh. =p

Yes, I've been caught off guard too man. Back when I first started sarging, somehow I had a girl from a three set come on to me SO strong, we ended up making out on the dance floor, pretty heated and heavily too, and it caught me off guard. She was really cute, short skirt, red hair, nice body, all that stuff. Passionate, hot, heavy kisses, grinding, heavy breathing, blah blah, and I neglected the push part of the push/pull equation. I mean, she was into me, into what we were doing and wasn't holding back, but that didn't mean I had to give everything to her right away either.

. . . but I didn't ditch her either, lol.

By the way, welcome to the forum, since I haven't said that yet.

Thanks for the welcoming!

I was doing the opposite of you: I just really had this idea that I had to work with the push/pull techniques no matter what (everything had worked like total magic so far, lol!).

I was also trying out some advice a girl gave me: if another guy comes along just be cool and don't act threatened and I wanted to see if she'd chase me if I left, which she didn't. I'm thinking that I did something wrong between the point where she was gawking and stalking me, and the point where that guy had finally come along.
I seriously think that the major problem was lack of rapport and to be honest, I'm not always the funniest guy around.

In any case, I was just really surprised of the magic of these techniques! Talk about fast results!

Actually, the advice the girl gave you is right. You can't be threatened, but in order for the girl to chase you, you HAVE to have her attracted already, and more attracted to you than she would be to the other guy.

As far as being funny, I'm not a comedian myself. In fact, the girls I talk to usually end up laughing at themselves instead of jokes or w/e that I might tell, because I don't usually use that stuff. I'll just bust on the girl. Which starts building attraction when done right. I'll keep busting on them, and playing around with them, and they end up laughing their asses off at themselves.

And yes, these techniques do give fast results, because of the underlying principles they are built on.