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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 5:34 am 
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Yea continue with what you have been doing. Act like you never saw it because it doesn't matter anyways. You should definitely close her next time you pull her and things will become way easier.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 6:00 am 
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Despite the jealousy and privacy thing you found out she wasn't being honest with you. She's not your gf but if you expected her to tell you that she was seeing this guy and she didn't now you know she isn't being completely honest with you.
I didn't expect her to. She doesn't owe me anything dude. For all I know there may be nothing going on there at all. 1 text isn't much to go on. Plus the convo was a month ago when we barely started getting closer.

It doesn't matter either way. I don't feel any 'resentment' or similar things towards her.
There's a line between being non affected by something and shutting out every thing to keep the girl on some pedestal. By the way you talk about this girl, you have her up on this pedestal...which most likely is the reason she hasnt slept with you yet. Truth is, from your story, she liked a guy, he wasnt giving a shit and she starting getting serious with you. And while you were open about your flings and side projects, she kept that info out. Am I saying she's a lying man jumping bitch to resent or hate? No. But it is what it is. My advice if you want to sleep with her, is see her for what she is. A girl. She gets rejected by guys. She hides things. She isnt perfect but you dont need to make the excuses for her. As Jack said, the lesson is that she's just another hot girl. Keep meeting girls and seeing her. But dont divulge everything when she's not. I'm the more cynical side, where few weeks without sex happening signals that it's not gonna happen. Especially one you see daily. Theres a line between a girl taking it slow and just fooling around till the next guy. Either way, keep doing you, take her off the pedestal. Doesnt mean to ghost her, but if you're seeing a girl daily that you havent slept with, then she's keeping you from other girls, and she's getting used to hanging out. Her "keep dreaming" line is evidence that you're in chase mode and she's in control. She wont be saying that shit if she didnt know she had some power over you, and you want to sleep with her more than she does. See, her, but maybe turn it around by teasing her and stopping so she wants to sleep with you. I dont care if she's 20 and been with 3 guys, if you're seeing her daily and holding her phone, she should be sleeping you by now.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 6:35 am 
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I'm the more cynical side, where few weeks without sex happening signals that it's not gonna happen. Especially one you see daily. Theres a line between a girl taking it slow and just fooling around till the next guy. Either way, keep doing you, take her off the pedestal. Doesnt mean to ghost her, but if you're seeing a girl daily that you havent slept with, then she's keeping you from other girls, and she's getting used to hanging out. Her "keep dreaming" line is evidence that you're in chase mode and she's in control. She wont be saying that shit if she didnt know she had some power over you, and you want to sleep with her more than she does.
I wasn't going to get into this initially at the risk of diverting this away from the original question, but since neo pointed this out...

The OP originally stated that this girl was complaining to this guy about him not putting the effort into contacting her. This all happened around the same time OP and her started getting serious, if you want to call it that. This little bit of information is actually a lot of insight on where her head is at and the role that OP is playing for her. OP, you are providing her with the attention that she is not getting from this other guy. I'd be willing to bet that whenever he is available to her he is banging her while you are providing everything else. Together, you guys are probably making the perfect boyfriend.

You need to get out of that trap.

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You need to get out of that trap.
Let's assume you're right for a second. How?


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This little bit of information is actually a lot of insight on where her head is at and the role that OP is playing for her.OP, you are providing her with the attention that she is not getting from this other guy. I'd be willing to bet that whenever he is available to her he is banging her while you are providing everything else. Together, you guys are probably making the perfect boyfriend.
I disagree. That's speculation. OP said the convo took place 1 month ago. It's also around the time he came into the picture so them getting close can just as easily mean he swept her away from him.

OP has the home field advantage. He sees her daily and escalates further every time she's at his place. It's the right play.

If you fall in the lover zone, there's one of 2 ways she'll see you as. FWB material or BF material. If all she sees in you is FWB material, she will fuck you, early, and that's all she'll want from you. And even that's not a guarantee. Not all girls will be willing to have that type of experience.

If, on the other hand, you're bf material, she will not be fucking you so easily. She'll wanna make sure you'll stick around.

You threw the FWB possibility out the window when you started doing daily activities together. You don't see your fwb's daily. You don't talk daily. You don't lend them your phone.

Both paths have their advantages and disadvantages, depending on what it is you want in your life at the moment. Either way, you only have the second available to you right now so keep moving things forward. The only mistake you can make is stagnation.

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You need to get out of that trap.
Let's assume you're right for a second. How?
By not giving her what she wants if she's not giving you what you want.

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You need to get out of that trap.
Let's assume you're right for a second. How?
By not giving her what she wants if she's not giving you what you want.
And how is this not being reactive to something I should not even know / have no confirmation of?


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 7:59 am 
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This little bit of information is actually a lot of insight on where her head is at and the role that OP is playing for her.OP, you are providing her with the attention that she is not getting from this other guy. I'd be willing to bet that whenever he is available to her he is banging her while you are providing everything else. Together, you guys are probably making the perfect boyfriend.
I disagree. That's speculation. OP said the convo took place 1 month ago. It's also around the time he came into the picture so them getting close can just as easily mean he swept her away from him.

OP has the home field advantage. He sees her daily and escalates further every time she's at his place. It's the right play.

If you fall in the lover zone, there's one of 2 ways she'll see you as. FWB material or BF material. If all she sees in you is FWB material, she will fuck you, early, and that's all she'll want from you. And even that's not a guarantee. Not all girls will be willing to have that type of experience.

If, on the other hand, you're bf material, she will not be fucking you so easily. She'll wanna make sure you'll stick around.

You threw the FWB possibility out the window when you started doing daily activities together. You don't see your fwb's daily. You don't talk daily. You don't lend them your phone.

Both paths have their advantages and disadvantages, depending on what it is you want in your life at the moment. Either way, you only have the second available to you right now so keep moving things forward. The only mistake you can make is stagnation.
Instinctively I agree with you. She initiates at least 60% of our conversations, asks to meet quite often, and most of the times offers to pay for my icecream / food / whatever else.

I don't feel 'played' at all. Your bf explanations makes sense too.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 8:03 am 
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I disagree. That's speculation. OP said the convo took place 1 month ago. It's also around the time he came into the picture so them getting close can just as easily mean he swept her away from him.
Of course it's speculation(One of the reasons I said I'm willing to bet), but the fact that when he tries to escalate she has the response of "keep dreaming". That's not an LMR response...that's a denial. How OP described it, it's almost as if she's toying with him.

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And how is this not being reactive to something I should not even know / have no confirmation of?
I'm not speaking of being reactionary to the guy being in the picture. I'm more on your side of you being denied during the sexual escalation. That is the more frustrating part for me.

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I disagree. That's speculation. OP said the convo took place 1 month ago. It's also around the time he came into the picture so them getting close can just as easily mean he swept her away from him.
Of course it's speculation(One of the reasons I said I'm willing to bet), but the fact that when he tries to escalate she has the response of "keep dreaming". That's not an LMR response...that's a denial. How OP described it, it's almost as if she's toying with him.

He said he escalates further every time. If things got heavier, to any degree, than they did in her previous visit, it is LMR. She said it in a cheeky way and with a grin on her face. Denial is not going to his house in the first place, because she knows exactly what's up.

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He said he escalates further every time. If things got heavier, to any degree, than they did in her previous visit, it is LMR.
They did. And she was being cheeky with that reply.


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And how is this not being reactive to something I should not even know / have no confirmation of?
I'm not speaking of being reactionary to the guy being in the picture. I'm more on your side of you being denied during the sexual escalation. That is the more frustrating part for me.
Isn't that what LMR is? I wasn't 'denied' from the start, I was 'denied' when there was almost no going back.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 8:38 am 
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He said he escalates further every time. If things got heavier, to any degree, than they did in her previous visit, it is LMR. She said it in a cheeky way and with a grin on her face. Denial is not going to his house in the first place, because she knows exactly what's up.
I see it differently, but I'm okay with that. She went to his house and denied him sex on multiple occasions, even though she knew exactly what's up. I would handle it differently, but if your advice is to keep doing the same thing because she'll eventually give in...I respect your opinion and if he follows that advice, I hope you're right.

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Isn't that what LMR is? I wasn't 'denied' from the start, I was 'denied' when there was almost no going back.
How I'm interpreting it is because of how you described it. Her response of "keep dreaming" and being cheeky about it makes me believe that she had no intention of sex in the first place and knew it wasn't going to happen from the starting point. To me it sounds like she was letting you know where your limits were.

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