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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:03 pm 
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Alright guys, time to start my journal.

Couple of things about me:
Im 23, got out of a quite messy LTR about half a year ago. I wasn't too bad with girls before I learned about PUA and have used the stuff to quite a bit of success in the last months. Couple of lays, couple of k-c, and an endless stream of useless #closes. :lol:
Main goals:
- Aquire about 2-4 sexbuddies/friends with benefits
- Find out how to stop girls from wanting a relationships as soon as I slept with them
- Strengthen my club game
- Work on body language and vocal tonality


06/12/14

Went to a pretty cool bar/club yesterday night. I used to drag all my friends with me when going out, but I started to try a more selective approach, only inviting my single roommate and a female friend of mine, whos in a LTR. My friend is amazingly bad with women and I'm really trying hard to impart some of the PUA wisdom to him. Good looking guy, but tons of approaching anxiety, guy freezes up around girls like you wouldn't believe. I know I should definitily hang out with guys who've got more game, but he's one of my best friends and I really wanna help him out.
I got really drunk the night before and still felt it when I started drinking that night. We started at our place at like 9pm and arrived at the club around midnight. I was really pumped but still hung over from the night before. After about 20 minutes in the club I knew if I didn't do anything the night would end up a bust. So I got us some Tequila, to get the whole thing going and left my friends to approach.
I got laid 2 days prior and KC the night before, so I didn't really care about getting some, I just played around with approaching. One thing I opened with like 5 times: The men's bathroom didn't have any paper towels so I would go to the women's and ask the cutest girl for paper towels. Another one I tried a bunch was asking if their cellphones get connection, cause cell connection was absolutly terrible in the place.

I opened about 10 sets but didn't talk to most of them for more than a minute or two. I just didn't feel like trying to hard to be honest and there wasn't a set that was particulary inviting. I also opened guy sets and staff, just for fun. I definitly got into making connections with staff recently. Even if you don't get anything from them, you just feel more comfortable in the club, if you know the staff. Just feels more friendly.
After about 3 hours in the club our female friend had quite a meltdown because of some personal shit, she is dealing with. Night was done at that point, but since we got there quite late anyway, it was still like 4am when I finally got to bed. All in all not a particularly eventful night. But I still feel very good about it. I've rarely ever felt so relaxed and comfortable in club enviroment. No approaching anxiety, no pressure to accomplish anything , just a really enjoyable night.
Probably not the most exciting first entry you've ever read, but I have a feeling good stuff is coming.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:01 am 
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12/11/2014

The Russian Girl.

So I met that Russian Girl Ive matched on Tinder. 23, tall, kind of looks like a mix between Olivia Wilde and Natascha McElhone from Californication. Yeah, pretty hot.
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So here is the Tinder convo
On Tinder:
Me: Hey, wanna marry me?
(thats my standard opener, works like 9/10 times)
Her: Not sure yet, prefer to know a man at least for 5 min before marriage. :)
Me: Man thats quite a while. Not sure if I can wait that long. :D
Her: ahahaha. Poor thing. It worthj it, then u will have the eternity with me, and no chance to escape :P no matter how much u beg
Me: Haha. Sounds like an amazing deal. Im not scared at all. :D
Her: What r u? fearless? U should be. Im a cruel russian girl. U know the reputation, u cannot really change it. :)
Me: Whats that reputation?
Her: Of heartless people. Thats what they say about russians.
Me: Oh thats neat. Im kind of a dick. So we should make a great couple :D
Her: Oh for god sake, self description as a "dick" sounds really terrible even for a dick. Btw. I normally I dont swear. Well will I at least get a tiffany ring for engagement? Otherwise marring u is not fun at all :(
Me: Sure but whats in it for me :D Whats the upside to marrying a heartless russian? :)
Her: Apart from me being gorgeous, intelligent and funny? Not much really, so id doesnt worth it :) skip it man.
Me: You forgot humble :D
Her: R u kidding me? Im not even slightly humble. Wrong russian, (my name)
Me: We should move it to SPAM thats easier. My number xxx
Her: Sure but my WA died since im here. Can do fb, if u want.
Me: Yeah whats your fb name.
Her: (fb name)

Then on FB:

Me: Man, thats a helluva lot of pictues
Her: well, cannot say the same about u. I still think that u r a maniac
Me: i most certainly am
Her: disaster. who u r, man?
Me: as you said, just a disaster. you should definitly not meet me
Her: sounds very promising. may be only tiffany ring will chnge my minf
Me: so russian women are all about getting stuff, i see
Her: sure, what else, especially from random maniacs
Me: those are the best ones
Her: sounds absolutely terrible, indeed :0
Me: Im thinking about getting a tattoo from a trainee, should i risk it?
Her: no
Me: but the ones she has done look great: (Link to tattoos)
Her: ok, I like her hair style. go for it
Me: alright, but youre gonna have to hold my hand
Her: oh come on! will u do the same when i will give birth to our children?
Me: o0; okay, we gonna definitily gonna use condoms
Her: ahhahah, twice "gonna", so now u r terrified, fearless?
Me: thats how serious i am
Her: men are men, that was easy
Me: what?
Her: was easy to scary u
Me: i dont know what you crazy russian chicks are up to haha
Her: and u never will, so now u r scared. and seemed to be a brave guy in the begining....sad
Me: thats how it goes and for a second there we could have been great
Her: for a second
Me: yeah, fairly cute russian girl would have been great on my resume, maybe tinder will have another one
Her: r u serious?!?!?!? u r such an ASSHOLE!??!?!? truly outstanding... do u add girls to your CV as well?
what's your job after all?
Me: to hook up with a girl from every country
Her: disgusting!
Me: just kidding, Im doing film stuff mostly
Her: porn? might be yes
Me: Im actually still a virgin
Her: of course, all porn directors are
Me: :D:D
Her: otherwise they wouldn't be able to do that; tha't so obvioues
Me: you have been thinking quite abit about porn apparently
Her: of course, i watch it non stop, that's my job, I'm from the morality police, u know
Me: worse than the real police
Her: we have no boundaries. where u from, btw? so that I would never go to that place
Me: unfortunatly youre already in xxx
Her: damn! u couldn't have been born among this beauty
Me: Now I know youre joking
Her: oh so NOW u know, thanks god, such a relief
Me: Im cute as a puppy
Her: depends on breed, bulldogs are ugly, and u r even worse than bulldog, terrible. do u have family may be atleast? only this can save u in my eyes...
Me: Yeah I keep parts of them in my freezer
Her: u know your jokes are way too flat, I do not laugh
Me: Alright, then lets get serious. Cause I also need to go to bed soon, work and everything. I think youre cute. I am not an asshole actually, Im a pretty decent guy, and also alot of fun. So if you wanna meet up for a drink tomorrow night, that'd be great. If not, no big deal. Was still fun talking to you
Her: I'm for meeting up, but not tmw. what about sunday?
Me: That might work. But I have some work to do, in the afternoon, so Im gonna check in with you beforehand to make sure.


Then two days later, without any conversation in between she hits me up again:
Her: So, decent guy, my unreliable friends keep changing their plans so I'm free tonigh in case if u wanna meet
Me: Hows xxx at xxx its a great bar, but not to formal, so dont come all dressed up
Her: why would i?
Me: always feisty, are you? its gonna be fun :D
Her: exactly, no smile
give me your number in case if I'll be terribly lost. It happens. I'm a topographical idiot
Me: xxxx
Her: ok. see u then
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So we met up at a cocktail bar, Ive been taking Tinder girls to, for a while. I read up on dating russian girls, to prepare myself. But fuck me, she was NOTHING like what I was expecting. She was really excitable and talkative and fucking smart as well. No shittests, no cold bitchyness, nothing. But, and here is the big but, I think she had kind of decided it aint gonna happen, within a minute or so. I'm not gonna blame circumstances, I know I fucked it up. But there was nothing to gain at some point.
I already had a drink to get in the mood, and I was game, man. Loads of eyecontact, I displayed alot of confidence, I played with her, while she tried to pierce me with questions about my life story. But It was really hard to get to a base level. She was all about talking about how she got to Austria, about her bachelors degree, talking about laws and shit.
And I tried to get the frame back, get to light topics, be playful. But she always got me back to those deep topics, that get you friendzoned like you wouldn't believe. Within like 20 minutes we were basically talking about all our fears, and wishes and what the fuck. I did some push and pull, but she wasn't to impressed. She was really open and seemed to enjoy herself, but I couldn't get any sexual tension out of her.
And of course she didnt give me anything in terms of kino. I brushed against her, she inched away. I leaned my leg "accidently" against hers, she moved hers. I offered her a sip of my drink, she declined. I'm not sure, if i should have just tried harder, go for it more aggressivly, but as I said, there was no base level attraction to speak of.

In my mind I decided to venue change as soon as I finished my drink, and as if she could read my mind she suddenly told me she would be going home, as soon as I finish my drink. That was after like 1,5-2 hours. Thing is, we met up at 9pm on a weekday, and our buses only go till midnight. So my biggest mistake was probably to stay that long at the bar and not bounce.
So the night ended like 25 minutes later. No sense in trying to KC, without any kino escalation.
Big, big fuck up.

My biggest mistakes:
- Not kinoing more. The thing with the ladder is If she doesnt react positively at the earliest stages youre kind of stuck. Should have probably just tried other things, hand on knee, and shit, but I feel like she would have rejected me. Whats your opinion on that?
- I should have bounced. One of my biggest mottos is: Bounce if the date isnt going great. And while it was going great in terms of conversation, I feel like I was friendzoned like a red haired, pimple faced 15 year old virgin.

Would like feedback and opinions. Should I even bother setting up another date? I feel like that battle is pretty much lost, and I got like 5 other girls I want to meet in the coming weeks.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:08 pm 
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12/12/14

Office Christmasparty. I really tried to get with pretty much the hottest girl in the office and she seemed to be into me to. Tons of IOIs, alot of banter, push and pull, all the good stuff. She played along and gave me alot of feedback when I physically escalated. At one point we had our legs cross over each other. And when we took some pictures, she got really close (cheek on cheek close).
It was kind of awkward though, to try and kiss close, cause of co-workers being there and everything. At one point I told her, that I really wanted to kiss her. I probably shouldve tried to isolate, but I was too scared to be completly honest. I did eventually try to kiss her, but she rejected me. The kicker: She told me I was too short and that she was into another co-worker. That really baffled me. That guy was around the whole night, trying to get her attention but never got any physical escalation done. Honestly, there was no sign that she would be more into him than me. Im not even hurt or anything, I like the guy, and she's definitly gonna get more out of him than me. But I just don't get it is the thing.

I still think if I had tried the kc sooner, not at like 4 in the morning, when the night was basically done, I might have succeeded. The short-remark kind of hurt a little, but it's fine. Still though, just really weird.

What's your guys opinion on the matter? It's just really weird to me. I mean, I have f-closed girls who gave me far less IOIs and she was pretty much all over me and wouldn't even let me steal a kiss? Man, that's just one of those instances, where I wished I could've taped the whole thing and watch everything through a somewhat objektive pov. I'd really love to hear some opinions, Im gonna be honest, Im not inclined to write alot more, if I don't get any feedback. I'm not looking for attention, but I'm chronicling that shit to learn from my mistakes and get them fixed. So please, input, people.


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 Post subject: Re: Just Another Journal
PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:46 pm 
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12/12/14

Office Christmasparty. I really tried to get with pretty much the hottest girl in the office and she seemed to be into me to. Tons of IOIs, alot of banter, push and pull, all the good stuff. She played along and gave me alot of feedback when I physically escalated. At one point we had our legs cross over each other. And when we took some pictures, she got really close (cheek on cheek close).
It was kind of awkward though, to try and kiss close, cause of co-workers being there and everything. At one point I told her, that I really wanted to kiss her. I probably shouldve tried to isolate, but I was too scared to be completly honest. I did eventually try to kiss her, but she rejected me. The kicker: She told me I was too short and that she was into another co-worker. That really baffled me. That guy was around the whole night, trying to get her attention but never got any physical escalation done. Honestly, there was no sign that she would be more into him than me. Im not even hurt or anything, I like the guy, and she's definitly gonna get more out of him than me. But I just don't get it is the thing.

I still think if I had tried the kc sooner, not at like 4 in the morning, when the night was basically done, I might have succeeded. The short-remark kind of hurt a little, but it's fine. Still though, just really weird.

What's your guys opinion on the matter? It's just really weird to me. I mean, I have f-closed girls who gave me far less IOIs and she was pretty much all over me and wouldn't even let me steal a kiss? Man, that's just one of those instances, where I wished I could've taped the whole thing and watch everything through a somewhat objektive pov. I'd really love to hear some opinions, Im gonna be honest, Im not inclined to write alot more, if I don't get any feedback. I'm not looking for attention, but I'm chronicling that shit to learn from my mistakes and get them fixed. So please, input, people.

In my opinion, work should be off limits completely. Moreover, I wouldn't kiss close after SPAM any intention. I would, however, try to isolate the girl. Ideally, you would have a plan to transition her to your place with just about any anchor. Those are the problems with your approach. In some cases, people you work with want to be nice to your advances makes it less weird. Generally speaking, I suggest you look for girls that are alone in public places and do the following : establish rapport, use patterning language, close/transition. You can either kiss close, number close, or based on rapport invite her to your place. I suggest going for a date, and then trying to transition.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:20 pm 
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Friday 12/19/14

Another day, another Tinder date. This one went quite well. Honestly I'm even happy, that I got to meet up with that particular girl (about an 8, half-french) cause she had left the country for a week, before we could meet up and I was worried the momentum would be gone by the time she is back. I kind of felt like I was losing her and was ready to give up but somehow I still got her to agree to meet me. I think it was just a matter of being patient and not coming off too needy.

Anyway, the date. I had chosen a Karaoke bar I used to visit every now and then a couple of years back. And man, what a fucking poor choice. Drunk middle aged chicks, yelling into a microphone all night... Not the best setting to build sexual attraction, let me tell ya. But I still nailed the date as far as I can tell.
One thing I've definitely learned: Don't let her drag you into any kind of deep conversation. As I said before, that shit gets you friendzoned in no time. She did start to complain about me never giving straight answers. But I still think that worked fine. I built about quite a bit of tension and giving bullshit answers to most of her questions kept the convo light and fun. For example: She knew that I have to do with film, but during our text convos I would refuse to tell her what exactly Im doing. When she asked me in person, I told her that I'm producing porn and use Tinder to recrute actresses.
Another neat thing I did: I told her that I thought she was way hotter in real life (which is true) and asked her to show me her facebook profile and told her which pictures to use on Tinder. This served several purposes: First, I could get real close to her, so we could both look at her phone and second, it forced her to qualify.
Also, previously, when she was out of the country, I had her bring me something. She actually got me chocolate. Not really relevant, but I feel like I did pretty well, getting a girl I had never met to get me a present.

Alright, back to the story. We left the location after half an hour to an hour. Before we met up, she had told me that she only got a couple of hours sleep the previous day (which I believe) so I was worried that she was gonna cut the date short. But we still walked around a good hour or two. One of my favorite date locations are closed off playgrounds, so thats were we went next. By that time, I got quite far into the escalation ladder. I had hugged her a couple of times, we walked around with my arm over her should etc. I still feel like Im not the best at the ladder but I think I did quite well this time.
Anyway, at that time I had gotten some subtle IOIs and felt confident about going in for the kiss. For the first time in like forever I didnt just go in caveman style, but actually told her that I wanted to kiss her. She blushed and I grabbed her and pulled her towards me. And she fucking rejected me. :lol: She kind of insinuated she was still hung up on an ex or something (I didn't let her get into that) and that it was too soon for a kiss.
But the real important part - and I feel quite strongly about that - I truly didn't give a fuck. Don't get me wrong, I like her alot, she's quite pretty, and I sure as fuck want to get into her pants, but I wasn't angry, or hurt, or anything. Ive gotten rejected quite a bit recently (mostly because I just approach and date way more than I ever did in the past of course) but its amazing to me how little I cared in this instance. I'm not the guy to get pissy or cranky when a chick rejects me anyway, but this was honestly the first time, were it didnt throw me at all. I still feel like the date went well overall, and she seems game to meet me again. She's definitely not gonna give it up easily, but I do feel like its gonna happen eventually.

Over all I think I played solid game, but there are a couple of things I regret:
1. The location sucked. I really need a better location for first dates. I'm still looking for the perfect place. What I want is a bar that's at least somewhat classy, but cheap, or at least offers happy hours. I'm just not gonna spent 50 bucks every time I meet a girl. Also it should allow for easy escalation, have a good secondary location nearby and if it's within 20-30 min from my place that would be perfect.
2. I told her that Im not into girls who make it too easy for me and that I like a challenge. Not sure if that played into her not letting me KC her.
3. Overall Im very proud of how I handled her rejection. But I feel like I made too many jokes about it afterwards. I mentioned it - playfully - a couple of times afterwards, mostly mocking her, for feeling bad about it. I don't think it came off cranky or needy, but I think just not mentioning it again, wouldve been the best play here.

Question: Whats your guys opinion about the KC, the rejection and my reaction to it? How would you have handled the thing differently and would you have tried again the same night? I thought about going in a second time, but I felt like her rejecting me a second time, mightve gotten her into the habit of rejecting me. If we meet again Im gonna assume that its settled, that she wants me and Im gonna go in for the KC within the first half hour.
Question 2: She texted me the same night and we texted back and fourth the next day. It kind of died down today. Would you text her again soon or should I just wait a couple of days. Not sure between coming of too needy and the momentum dying.
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I would, however, try to isolate the girl.
Yeah, the thing is isolating at an office party gets people to gossip. But as you said, its probably just generally not a good idea to get into an office thing.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:16 pm 
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December 20th and 22nd.

Was out on saturday. And it was one hell of a crazy night. A girlfriend of mine brought another female friend. We got into talking and I kind of said, that I wasnt sure if i can accept transgenders as their chosen sex rather than their biological. She then told me she was a transgender, just to fuck with me. She was obviously shittesting me, but I didn't give her the satisfaction of acting shocked. Instead I told her, that I've got no problem, with her being a dude or whatever. She got so frustrated with me acting like I believe her, she actually - im not making that up - showed me her tits. Once again I didn't let her jank my chain though, and just acted like its the most normal thing to me (also her tits weren't especially impressive anyway). She tried to get me to dropp my pants for her, but I told her, if I did she had to suck me off. :lol:
We went out later on and had a pretty great night overall. I helped a friend get over his approach anxiety. We played a game recommended by the simple pick up dudes, where you pick girls for each other to approach. Worked quite well, but I didn't get anywhere particularly exciting with any of the girls. I did like 7-10 approaches. But to be completely honest, my club game still sucks. I think I'm just not high energy enough. Im not too nervous about approaching (at least after 1,2 warm-up sets) but I'm having a tough time keeping them engaged.
I'm way more comfortable with Daygame and social circle game but I'm definitely gonna work on my clubgame too, it's just a too important part of PUA to ignore. Also I got blown out hard once or twice, which made me quite proud to be honest. I'm really trying to push myself and get a thick skin and it's really working. I got rejected so much in the last two weeks, that there isn't really too much time to get hung up on a single rejection.

Yesterday I had another Tinderdate, this time with a hot polish chick (25). I didn't do my usual routine of cocktailbar and taking a walk and instead had her help me with my christmas shopping. Worked out quite alright. Got a tiny little KC, but I don't think I'm gonna meet her again. She was just too fucking boring and didn't have to say anything.
I'm still most interested in getting that half-french chick I had a date with on friday. But she doesn't seem too engaged anymore. As I said in my last FR, I felt like the date went great, but apparently I fucked up more than I thought, cause I seem to loose her a bit more with every text I write. I have not written her in the past 24 hours and Im gonna wait for a couple of days if she doesnt open. But I gotta admit I'm kind of disappointed, I really felt good about the date. Maybe she got distracted by another guy?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:03 am 
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December 23th
Man, I'm really pissed at myself. I hit on a 19 year old college chick at work and I think she liked me but I didn't have the balls to ask for her number in front of my co-workers. I wanted to get her number later on, when there wasn't anyone from my work around, but I couldn't find her. I've fucked up like that a couple of times recently, both at work, and in clubs, where I would cold approach a girl but don't go for the number, telling myself I'm gonna ask a little later, and of course by then she's gone. So fuck me and my giant vagina for that. Happy holidays, fellas.


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Man, the half-french girl just texted me that she doesn't wanna meet up again. Crazy week for rejection the last 7 days, let me tell ya. But I really feel like something clicked for me. As I said before, I was a bit into her and the text hurt for like 30 seconds, but over all I feel really great about how well I'm handling that shit. A couple of months ago, the sheer quantity of rejection would have at least left me sulking for a couple of hours. But now I honestly mostly welcome it as experience and a way to strengthen my inner game. Now, I'm not gonna lie, and pretend like all that shit didn't hurt a bit but I also know it would have been ten times worse a couple of months ago.
I just really wish I could ask her what exactly didn't work for her. Just so I could learn. But she'd probably just give me a Bullshit line like "It just wasn right". I should start at least audio recording my dates.
Another thing: I have broken it off with all my "regular" girls, and nothing on the way. Also I was out sick the last two days. Really need to do some cold approaching. I'm not gonna end the year without a couple more make out sessions at least.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:19 pm 
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Nice job on this journal. Welcome and keep it up.


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Nice job on this journal. Welcome and keep it up.
Thanks man, appreciate it.

Nothing too special happened in the last couple of weeks. I hooked up with my fuckbuddy every now and then and as I've talked about in another thread, my current goal is to pass her over to my roommate. I'm not really into her (even though, objectively she's quite pretty) and he is amazingly bad with girls. Also it kills my momentum if I get laid that easily. I've started nofap and getting with her is probably killing any positive effect and urgency.

I've tried to force myself to do some dayapproaching too, but I'm still a giant vagina during the day. That's why I got myself a "vagina jar". Everytime I act like a vagina (not approaching a really cute girl because of shitty excuses, not #closing etc.) I have to put a buck in the vagina jar. And if by the end of the month I haven't gotten laid through day approach I'm gonna donate the money to a feminist organisation. :lol:


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01/16/2015
Finally came across one of those Tinder girls who really is DTF. And, loser that I am, I didn't fuck her.
But here's the whole story: I've been texting with her for quite a while. She had flaked on me once and I froze her out. Her pictures weren't that great, the convo wasn't too interesting, I didn't feel like trying too badly after the first flake. But she did reinitate the convo a couple of times, so I invited her to my new years eve party. And of course she flaked again. Didn't care, got laid anyway.
On the 2nd she reinitated and I gave her polite but short answers. I just didn't care. But she kept coming back, so after a week or so and after she actually told me she wanted to meet up I set up another date (I had started nofap and really needed to get laid).
And what do you know, this time it worked out. Funny thing is, I cared so little at that point, I didn't even plan a date, just told her to meet me at the bus station, near my house and have some drinks. No fuzz, no pretense. After all the senseless texting I really didn't feel like going through the whole process of meeting in a bar, bouncing, and getting her back to my place after like 5 hours of bullshitting.
And jesus, she was down for it. Too much so, which really threw me. She gave me tons of IOIs, and I didnt have to work for it AT ALL (which always confuses me). We were at the store to get some liquor, and she got real close. I told her, I was going to get the store manager if she won't stop molesting me. At my place I kiss closed her within about 20 minutes, which is the fastest I have ever successfully kiss closed in a non-club enviroment.

But I fucked up in a couple of ways: I didn't push the interaction, which was by far the biggest mistake. I could have had her for sure. But I just have to be honest. I was intimidated. I've never met a girl that was that DTF after such a short amount of time (about an hour after we met). There was definitely some anxiety and self sabotage on my part. I didn't even get hard, making out with her. Usually, when I know there will be resistance, and I probably won't get to stick it in any time soon, I am hard as a fucking rock but just knowing, that there was little keeping me from undressing her, kind of worried me. I had her tits out, nothing. The right thing to do would have been just to get my dick out and have her give me a BJ, but yeah, I didnt cause I'm a huge, gigantic vagina. But I want to be honest here, otherwise this journal is useless.

Second fuck up: She had a time constraint in place and I accepted it. She had told me beforehand that she didn't have too much time. But her time constraint was just studying, nothing she couldnt have pushed for an hour, if she wanted to. And I didn't try to stop her. I didn't want to seem needy, and I wasn't too horny for reasons mentioned above, so I just let her go. I didn't get her into my reality, too often I played by her rules. Big, big mistake.

We basically agreed on meeting for a fuck-date soon and she outright said, she wanted to fuck me (after we had left the house and were on the way to the bus station) but honestly, I'm not sure if it' s gonna happen. She is real flakey and has tons of guys kissing her ass and my vagina seems to be about 50 inches wide, so I'm really not sure if she's gonna still be interested in a day or two.
Honestly I'm not as down on my self as the FR may suggest. And I am not hung up about that particular girl. I don't like sluttly girls too much, and I am going out tonight, so there is enough opportunity to still get laid. Mostly I am just angry at myself out of principle. If I'm in the zone, I play pretty solid game, but I've noticed time and time again, that I will sabotage myself when I feel like it's going to smoothly. Really need to work on that. Any other comments?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:03 pm 
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Buddy, don't worry about it. We get into PUA to learn how to get better. I probably botched 4 interactions with girls that were either DTF or that I could have fucked on day 2. Please note that all 4 were due to different mistakes. One girl kept on coming back to me at a party, I was too puss to make a move. The other I N-closed and I had built up plenty of tension. She said that I was into her for me wiping frosting off of her face and I said something along the lines of "I didn't want you to look like an idiot." This was so late in the interaction I should have just said yes and refrained it as her being into me. 3rd was a girl who at the begging of the semester who wanted to come to my dorm. I was busy, then I got mono. The fourth was at the beginning of the year. I was too pussy to kino.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:34 pm 
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Buddy, don't worry about it. We get into PUA to learn how to get better. I probably botched 4 interactions with girls that were either DTF or that I could have fucked on day 2. Please note that all 4 were due to different mistakes. One girl kept on coming back to me at a party, I was too puss to make a move. The other I N-closed and I had built up plenty of tension. She said that I was into her for me wiping frosting off of her face and I said something along the lines of "I didn't want you to look like an idiot." This was so late in the interaction I should have just said yes and refrained it as her being into me. 3rd was a girl who at the begging of the semester who wanted to come to my dorm. I was busy, then I got mono. The fourth was at the beginning of the year. I was too pussy to kino.

At least we learn from these mistakes.
Thanks man, it's definitely not the first time I pussed out, either. Just the first time, I had a girl in my apartment and literally nothing that was keeping me from escalating it further.
Btw: A little update. The girl and I had pretty much agreed on fucking each others brains out the next time we see each other and of course now she seems to have lost her interest. I had texted her the same night (just some funny line) and tried to get the convo moving the next day, but always as casual as humanly possible. But I probably still seemed to eager.
About a day later I asked her when she was free to meet up again. She just replied "I dont know". When I suggested to meet up the next day she said, she didn't have time. And when I told her to suggest another day she just didn't reply. Any ideas how I could salvage the situation? Right now my plan is to just wait a couple of days and reinitated but it seems to me the momentum is pretty much gone.


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Man I haven't been updating for a while, but there wasn't too much interesting stuff happening. I never got the first DTF-Tinder Girl to meet again, but I've laid 2 or 3 other ones (for more on that go to my LR).

Besides that I had a make out with a friend of mine, who actually has a BF. It was just a random make out in a club and I'm not gonna pursue it any further. Although she is pretty hot I've got to admit. Other than that I haven't been going out too much. I helped my wingman to get a girl I had been seeing and that worked a little to well. They got together and now I'm pretty much alone in my PUA-pursuits. That kind of but the brakes on my motivation.

Honestly, I also just got lazy because Tinder has been working so well and I kind of lost my PUA-drive for a couple of weeks. But I'm climbing back on the horse. Got a date tonight, my goal is to actually not lay her. My experience with same day lays hasn't been too great and I'd much rather have a fuckbuddy. Still need to calibrate my game in that regard cause so far my lays have always ended up on the two opposits of the spectrum. Either they wanted a LTR or not see me again at all. :lol:


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Had one not so great date last week and a pretty solid date just today.

The sucky date started out fine, but it kind of lost steam. We met up at a furniture store, cause I wanted to browse around for a new bed (not really). In the first hour I failed most compliance tests, but it got better.
We left the store pretty soon afterwards and I tried to bounce to my place, and failed. I told her I was hungry and a pizza with our name written on, in my freezer. But it didn't work. Usually I believe that you always need to escalate and push forward but this time I feel like I lost her at that point. It just felt really awkward, cause she knew that I was trying to get her home and I knew she rejected me. Also at that point I just didn't know what to do anymore. Once again: Always have a Plan b and c in your backpocket. I didn't and I think that kind of blew the whole thing. The last straw was when she told me she likes tall guys (I'm about her height). I was already pretty tired, out of ideas and not really into her. And after that comment, I honestly didn't even try to escalated any further.

The date today was way better. Girl had already flaked on me once, but this time we met up at a amusement park and it was pretty great. I think, besides furniture stores, amusement parks are the best date locations. It was just alot of fun, theres tons of ways to get kino going. Just really great.

But there was still so much I did wrong. So let's work through it:
1.She had given a time constraint prior to our meet up and as I tend to do, I hopped right into her frame and so the date ended somewhat abruptly after about 3 hours.
2. I wasn't too far into the kino ladder and it didn't feel right to go for the KC. Usually if I didnt go for the kiss at the first date I feel like I failed and in retrospect I should have been more forward. I did some triangle gazing, and some kino but especially in the first hour and a half there was no compliance so I couldn't really move forward. But on the other hand, we had a solid three hours, I should have pushed alot more. I played it far too safe. I mean, we had a great interaction, but I might have friendzoned myself.
I'm gonna try to set up a second date tomorrow and I feel pretty confident I will get it. But still, all in all, I didn't do too well in terms of pushing forward.
There's alot of stuff I'm getting pretty solid at, once I get through the first kiss it's mostly smooth sailing. I feel pretty strong at initial attraction stuff. I think my biggest hurdle is pushing forward to the KC.


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