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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:24 am 
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Hey guys. So I've been running night game for a couple months now and I'm currently getting laid pretty much every time I go to a club.

However, I'm yet to try my hand at day game. I'm in college so I go out to clubs at least once a week, so one new girl a week is fine if you ask me, but I walk past some HBs in the day and think to myself 'Fuck, if I saw her in a club then I'd be on her in a second.' but I just carry on walking past. It annoys the shit out of me that I can't open in the day.

Don't get me wrong, I can open hired guns in the day, but that's because I've had a reason to start a conversation. I've got phone numbers of waitresses and bartenders before, but it's the hot girl I see walking the opposite way to me holding a shopping bag from my favourite store that I want to be able to open.

I genuinely have no idea how I'm supposed to stop a random girl in the street and 'naturally' start a conversation with her.

So, more specifically, here are my questions:

1) How would you approach a woman walking in the opposite direction to you?
2) How would you approach a woman walking in the same direction as you?
3) How would you approach a woman sitting alone or as part of a 2/3 set in a coffee shop/restaurant etc?


Thanks in advance for any help.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:24 am 
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I can open hired guns in the day, but that's because I've had a reason to start a conversation.
That's just it: You don't need a reason to open a convo with a girl during the day. Just the fact that it's the two of you out in the world is enough.

Comment on anything going on in the immediate vicinity or something about what she's wearing or her bag or anything at all to get your foot in the door. From there, game as normal.

Before you open, tell yourself that the girl is going to be into it: This will help you avoid what happens to a lot of guys when they assume the girl will keep walking or not be interested; it's a self fulfilling prophecy. They're reading your body language.

Bottom line, they also want you to open them, so go for it.

I overheard some random dude when I was out somewhere once commenting that he can't find a gf and he said something to the effect of "you can't just go to the mall, see a cute girl and go up and start talking to her." I remember thinking to myself, "if you only knew bro."


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:38 am 
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I usually open some conversation while I'm waiting for something. For example waiting in the bank. Usually I was always bored but now I look for some sexy girls who also waits in the line :)

I'm just joking about something from the environment and that's it, if she's communicative and conversation goes well, I ask her a number so we can go for a coffee once. Really nothing special. I learned that the most simple solutions are usually the best ones :) Your body language is the most important, if she feels that sexual vibe and gives you a number, you have a nice chance.

I noticed that women are easily giving numbers in a Saturday night, but they are not answering the phone so much. It's different in a day game, if she gave you number, she is probably very interested and wants to have a chance to hang out with you.


Also you can open a conversation while you are running.. Once I was just running and some girl was running a few meters ahead of me, so I just accelerated a little and started to run with her with a smile :) Then I asked her if she's ok with her new running partner and she started to laugh and blink, and conversation started to go very smoothly.

What I wanted to say is, that you don't need to complicate, just DO what ever you want in that moment. The worst thing is to wait.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:54 pm 
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I agree with everything geeklovelife said, and couldn't have said it better actually.

Just a few additions though. You say 'its the hot girl who is carrying a bag from my favorite store that I really want to open'. And you don't know how to open her?
How about "Hi! Oh hey, that's my favorite store. What did you get?"
Girls love nothing better than chatting about clothes.

Also, if you are getting laid every time you go to the club, which is amazing, you should have hella confidence to approach any and every girl you want. Because if they flat out reject you, which is as rare as getting laid in the first five minutes, who cares? You can just go out and get laid any time.

So just go try it. Like geeklovelife says, if you make a connection in day game, its much less likely to flake than night game. That's cuz people are sober, in their normal frame of mind, and more introverted, so if you break through the barrier, its more impressive to them.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:07 am 
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1) How would you approach a woman walking in the opposite direction to you?
2) How would you approach a woman walking in the same direction as you?
3) How would you approach a woman sitting alone or as part of a 2/3 set in a coffee shop/restaurant etc?
I love this question. I've struggled with opening women during the day myself, and realized that the main
challenge is bringing yourself to EXPOSE your intentions
while being in a situation where that isn't
considered "normal".

So when you go to a club, it's "normal" that a guy will approach a girl and make a move on her. But if
you're walking down the street, what's "normal" is that you mind your own business and walk where you
need to go.

So the first shift is to overcome this limit of what is "normal".
Let go of any shame or holdbacks you may have about
starting a conversation, and more specifically wanting to meet women while being out during the
day.

Accept is as a "normal" thing. Say to yourself, "This is cool. It's normal"

Now to your specific questions.

1. How to approach a girl walking in the opposite direction

When you see her walking, walk towards her and when she's really close, slow down your
steps and say, "Hey, I don't normally do this, but I just wanted to say, you look
absoulutely amazing..."


Then give it a pause so she can process it, and when you feel she got it say, "If you were blonde,
you'd be definitely my type..."


Or whatever hair color is opposite of hers.

This is an extremely strong push-pull that takes a girl on this emotional roller coaster, where at first
she is flattered and uplifted, and then has the rugg swept below her feet again.

But it's really important to open with energy, slightly excitment and here's the KEY - being ready and
OK with walking away from her soon.


Don't try to linger or "try" anything really. Just focus on meeting her.

After she says thank you or whatever she says, say, "So where are you headed?"

There is something really attractive about a guy who is FREE to say what he wants with confidence,
and not being afraid of what ppl would think of him or what the girl is going to do.

Again, the key is that you aren't needy or insecure...but that you show that you're comfortable.

2. If she's walking in the same direction

You can use the same line, but with this strong distinction - never try to pull her by her hand or
stop her in that way. Also, never talk BEHIND the girl like "Hey babyyyy, nice asss"

No.

If she's infront of you, catch up with her and when you're side to side with her shoulder, then say:

"Hey, I saw you from over there and though you were really cute, wanted to say Hi. What's up?"

Again, be very direct and blunt about it. Don't try to hide or beat around the bush.

Direct approach immediately establishes attraction, because you have to have balls to do that.

3. If she's in a restaurant

You can basically do it 2 ways. One is direct, the second one is playful.

So the direct way is to walk up there and say, "Hey, I saw you from over there and though it is
totally unfair that you'd be sitting here all bored when there's a guy as handsome as me so close...so
you mind if I join you untill my friend shows up...?"


The approach is basic, cocky & funny. The friend at the end is a time constraint, where you let her or them
know that you won't be sitting there for ever.

Here's the second way - playful.

If you're at a restaurant with a waiter, take a napkin and a pen, and on it draw the criss cross game,
and start it. Then call the waiter and tell him to take the napkin to the girl you want, but don't let
him tell her who is it from.

Tipp him so he wants to do it.

Play the game, ask the waiter to bring it back and forth and when it's done, if you lost - write "I lost, you
have to buy me a drink now"
and if you won, say, "I won, you have to buy me a drink now"

The key to everything is really confidence. You won't go far if you feel insecure or needy.

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 Post subject: Re: Day Game Opening?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:18 pm 
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Hey guys. So I've been running night game for a couple months now and I'm currently getting laid pretty much every time I go to a club.

However, I'm yet to try my hand at day game. I'm in college so I go out to clubs at least once a week, so one new girl a week is fine if you ask me, but I walk past some HBs in the day and think to myself 'Fuck, if I saw her in a club then I'd be on her in a second.' but I just carry on walking past. It annoys the shit out of me that I can't open in the day.

Don't get me wrong, I can open hired guns in the day, but that's because I've had a reason to start a conversation. I've got phone numbers of waitresses and bartenders before, but it's the hot girl I see walking the opposite way to me holding a shopping bag from my favourite store that I want to be able to open.

I genuinely have no idea how I'm supposed to stop a random girl in the street and 'naturally' start a conversation with her.

So, more specifically, here are my questions:

1) How would you approach a woman walking in the opposite direction to you?
2) How would you approach a woman walking in the same direction as you?
3) How would you approach a woman sitting alone or as part of a 2/3 set in a coffee shop/restaurant etc?


Thanks in advance for any help.
Hey mate,

The first thing i will say is try to not see it as Daygame or nightgame. Close the seperation. She is a woman during the day and during the night. Nothing has changed except for the enviornment. Of course you slightly alter your way of interacting to some degree.

In terms of opening in general in ANY situation, what you say first really has very little importance as you are simply getting her focus to shift to you. Whats important is HOW you deliver it, and how you say what you say. The more relaxed you are, and the slower/clearer you first few words are, the more comfortable you will feel, instantly allowing her to feel ok with your presence. Good eye contact in these first few seconds is very important also.

When i open, i basically just say a few words and see how she responds to me being there. You are shaking her out of auto-pilot so to speak. If you are not comfortable verbalizing your attraction for her...then start with that. If you are already comfortable telling girls you find them attractive then i prefer to pull back and simply use a situational or an assumptive opener. Its a great way to start an interaction because your instantly in a conversation based on how she is emotionally feeling or what she is involved in. You bypass the "i must choose whether i like this guy or not straight away" defence. It allows you to begin the seduction instantly.

basic examples of this...
a woman walking quickly down the street: "hi, you must be incredibly busy.." - instantly into a conversation with regards to why shes in a rush.

sitting on a bench reading a book: "you definitely have a day off..." -

Standing alone outside a shop: "you look like your waiting for someone..."

Again, remember what an opener is, its basically an initiation of converstional interaction.

I usually dont open with a verbal compliment of their hotness as i have been with enough gorgeous women at this point, so the novelty has calmed, her hotness is no longer such an overwhelming big deal, as i have found many beautiful girls who are not the kinds of people i want to spend my time with, and i actually want to find out whether they will interest and attract me. So it is much more natural for me to do this.

But again, if you have issues verbalizing your intent and desire, then get over this first.

Stopping a girl walking towards me, i casually get in front of their path as they get closer and stop them.

infront of me....i usually just call out excuse me as im too lazy to chase after her. they stop and usually wait for me to get to them.

Women sitting alone or in groups, its regardless. Walk over, pull out a chair and sit down before saying anything. Then speak.

Hope this helps mate. Good luck.

The main thing to remember is that there is essentially no right or wrong way to any of this, only what you give yourself permission to do, want, and go for.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:15 am 
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The one opening technique that I constantly have success with is complimenting the girl on something OTHER than her physical appearance.
Ex. “You have this really bubbly vibe about you,” otherwise pick something she’s wearing and compliment that.

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Then after you’ve given the complement, say “So, who are you?”
This works wonders cause it puts the ball in her court and it’s not just you saying “what’s your name?” It gives her the option of giving you a much more extensive answer. Which will get her opening up and that is muy bueno.

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I understand where your coming from. The key is in choosing the best option for the situation.

If your on a street, esp if she's walking directly at you, is to go direct.

If she's already a stationary and doing something where you could easily have a reason for doing something in her vicinity. Situational and indirect is usually optimal.

Having said that, I agree with Chris C. At the end of the day you can frame it and own the situation, anyway you want. So if you told me that I had to make a situation work. I would make it work regardless of opener. I could stop any girl anywhere and say "sorry I had to meet you" and it would probably work.

But I try not to "rock the boat" if it's avoidable. If I'm in a supermarket and she's looking at mushrooms or pasta I'm not going out of my way to make her feel uncomfortable. I'll just say "so many different types of mushrooms huh" or something along those lines. Start a convo and transition off it.

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My girlfriend says most women hate, hate, HATE being picked up in the street (not classy at all) when they are going about their day and some creep tries to chat them up. Women hate it dude. They feel intimidated, embarrassed and it is a form of bullying. No wonder y'all get false phone numbers or they say yes and never respond to your texts. Would you like an ugly bird coming up to you in the street trying to make shitty small talk with you? No. So just fuck off and leave women alone. Your creepy advances are not wanted so wind your fucking egos in and stop making embarrassing pricks of yourselves.


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My girlfriend says most women hate, hate, HATE being picked up in the street (not classy at all) when they are going about their day and some creep tries to chat them up. Women hate it dude. They feel intimidated, embarrassed and it is a form of bullying. No wonder y'all get false phone numbers or they say yes and never respond to your texts. Would you like an ugly bird coming up to you in the street trying to make shitty small talk with you? No. So just fuck off and leave women alone. Your creepy advances are not wanted so wind your fucking egos in and stop making embarrassing pricks of yourselves.

Hahahahaha this guy!

Well thank god for your girlfriend. Now we can all stop being embarrassed pricks.

Maybe try not listen so much and experience it first. Iv been with a VERY large number of women over the past 3 years, who would all strongly disagree with your positive comments.

This is a place for men to improve, empower and grow, stop being a prick sir.

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So this guy Danny55 or whatever... don't listen him.

Yeah, women probably do hate being approached by creepy guys, and Danny55 is probably creepy on the approach, and that's why he can't imagine a woman enjoying a random interaction with him. He's probably creepy on the approach because he's not comfortable with his masculinity/sexuality, which is why he just blindly accepts what his girlfriend says. The truth is, you create the reality around you, not this guy's girlfriend or anyone else. If its okay for you to approach in your reality, it will be okay with everyone else.

Example: It was Halloween last night. I went bar hopping with some friends, but there were times when I just went walking down the street by myself to see all the costumes. During that time, I approached at least 30 girls. Not once did I get anything but a warm reception. Most girls like talking to new people just like anyone else. Some don't for whatever reason, and this guy's girlfriend is probably one of them.

So to recap: keep daygaming. Its a little harder than nightgame, but there's more of it, so master that shit son!


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My ex girlfriend said that it is BAD NOT to approach. So?!!! Approach is the way to go Danny55
Even if this is not the way it should be in some other people's world. We WILL make it the way it should be in every world.


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