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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:35 pm 
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It sounds to me that the time-frame between first meeting them and going on a first date is too big. WHen do you usually suggest the date?
Giving too much time will make your approach be less efficient. People are full of everyday tasks so your date will not be so appealing much more days after your first meeting

For example; Suggesting a date immediately after you feel they successfully shown enough IOIs will considerably increase the chance that they will go on a QUICK date with you (remember, put time pressure on yourself. Say a 5-10 minutes coffee before you have to go to that super important meeting ;-) )

I wait 1-2 days and then text them about 3-6 times. Afterward I suggest for the date.

I'm beginning to believe girls might actually be that busy. In Miami every girl I've talked too is working 1-2 jobs full time and going to school full time (cost of living is extremely high).

So should I suggest for the date the same day of getting her number?
Be it or not - they can always find time to go on a date with you, if they want. But they have lost interest.
As I suggested, try go on an instant date, hopefully your results will be better.

This is mostly to change location with them, so they will feel like they have known you for longer than they have. The thought about you will now be more persistent after this instant date,


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You gotta break it down for us.

Take one interaction and run us through it.

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Never been a fan of fawning over the girl at all in the initial interaction as in "let me guess, you're from X, I like your scarf, you you you you you." You can try to flip it around and make it about you more. That's something that tells them implicitly, "this is a guy who is used to getting girls to do things for him etc" i.e. a man in demand. Then you sort of notice almost as an afterthought that she is cute or whatever.


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You're generating a bugaboo of some kind. It may be something you can help or perhaps not. That's why you have to mix up who you game and where you do it. Night game, day game, online date, speed date, hit on coworkers or classmates, even hit on hired hands just for practice.

Don't use the same routines either, because you haven't found any that work! Mix it up. Use a structured canned bit. Then go natural. Then play it super cool. Then be crazy and funny.

Sounds like you are locked into one mode of operation and its not working. You need to be "self-corrective", which means identifying the things about you that are putting girls off and changing it.

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How long are staying in set before getting the number?
If possible 10 minutes to 15 mins.

However most of the time sets are going to class so 3-5 minutes (Daygaming on campus).

Should I invest more time?
Why oh why are you gaming on campus? College game is almost completely social circle/party game. Chances are you are weirding them the fuck out.

Anyways, just my intuition, but I'm willing to bet if you went for the number ASAP and peaced out you'd get at least ONE date.

Also, how are you asking them on a date? It sounds like everything's going okay until you mention meeting up.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:51 pm 
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I'm at a loss for words. Wow dude... 600 approaches? Cold approaches, right? Is this day game or night game? Shit, either way that's just crazy. Have you had any luck with these women like instant dates or making out with them there and then?

If i'm direct I just straight out tell a girl she's really cute, give her a big smile and check her out. If she's into it and her face lights up then I just ask her simple shit like where she's from. If she's into me i'll just tell her to kiss me and go from there.

How does your interaction usually go?
Direct game only.

Me: "Excuse me" (usually I run up to her)
Me: "You're gorgeous and I just had to say hi" (I try to give specific compliments if possible)
Her: "thank you (smiles)"
Me: "My name is SUPER LONG NAME you're probably not going to remember the rest so we'll stick with FIRSTNAME for now"
Me: "What is your name?"
Her: "name"(Handshake) [I'll keep holding her hand throughout the conversation unless she pulls away]

Then from there I'll make a few assumptions about where she is from and find out a few things about her.
I mainly focus on her passions and determining whether or not I really like her. I also let her know a bit about me (my passions, interests, what I'm currently studying,etc..).

A main question I ask is : "Assume money was not a problem for you what would you do with your life?"

Depending on her response I'll know whether I'd get along with her or not.

This is mostly daygame. I've done night game but I don't enjoy it.
Was this used for 1th-600th approaches or for 600+? And how many did you do since the 600? 600-610, 600-700 etc?


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It's not what you're saying. Your playing it like a typical day game taught all over the world. And that structure and method works.

That just leaves how you're saying and the sub text. Essentially your delivery is probably off. And your inner state is probably the cause of it.

Inferring from the fact that you like to introduce your full long name and make a joke about how long it is and "we'll start with first names". I can tell your going to give off a creepy vibe. Your one of those that give off that very proper and most often geeky types that doesn't realise what he's doing wrong socially.

That happens to be the hard part though. But it CAN be changed with some effort and over time.

Body language, micro expression, gestures etc .... It's hard, especially to micro manage. My advise, like I've given other forumers here, is to focus on your state. Ask yourself, are you trying to "get anything" from them in set. By that I mean, are you thinking, ok I need to impress this girl, or ok she's out oft league but I'm going to just give it a shot. Because then you're doing it wrong.

Don't. Start taking a different perspective. Think ok I'm a cool confident guy, and this is just a nice interaction cause I live talking to hot girls. Prize yourself, enjoy the process and eliminate all indicators that you "want" something from them using thought.

I wrote an article on Pua-training, gamblers pick up blog titled: The Mind: 2 cutting edge ways to generate attraction for the intelligent man. I suggest you check that out, I'm not gonna post everything here again.
http://www.puatraining.com/blog/the-min ... ligent-man

Gotta change your approach to everything, and you should start with your thoughts and come from a more macro perspective.

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Seems like your motivated, but that you see girls as numbers. Maybe try to open less, but choose girls you'd truly to connect with? If you didn't see them as women you desire and are interested in, they felt it for sure, so maybe try approaching with a different vibe. Still awesome job for you if you were worried about asking a girl's number :)!

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You should be escalating and going for the real thing. Going for the date is purposely putting an obstacle in front of you. You are focusing on failure. Focus on the close. Dates are for when you FAIL TO CLOSE THE FIRST TIME!

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You should definitely try to go for the instant date first, not for the number. This will improve your chances of seeing her again. Whereas a short interaction on the street doesn't allow you to create rapport, an instant date does because you actually have the time to get to know that girl and, even more important, she will have the time to get to know YOU. Also, you can use the subjects you talked about as an "anchor" for texting her later.

The NC should always be at the end of a successful date. That way, you make sure that your numbers don't flake. Trust me, it's way more efficient.

If you like you can check out my blog where I write about this very subject. Cheers.

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Try this:

Focus more on the feeling of curiosity.

Spend a little less time telling her about yourself and make it obvious that you are primarily interested in getting to know more about her rather than trying to sell yourself.

Spend more time digging a little deeper to find out something about her that she normally wouldn't tell someone she just met.

Take that thing she told you and build a connection based on that through empathy or a similar experience.

Let me know how that turns out.


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I think Chief is on the right track here more than anyone else.

Ask questions about her- I have had this problem too.

Remember and maybe even memorize a few simple questions that can reveal a lot.

My favorite is "How is your day going?"

It shows that you are interested in her, and gives you a lot of follow up conversation.

You can gauge her interest by her answer, and tease her if she gives you a shitty answer.

If she answers something along the lines of "Great, I did this, this and that." Then you can ask easy questions about this this and that.

If she gives a short one or two word answer,you can be playful:

She just says "Pretty Good", You say, "Why not really good? Are you boring or something?"

She says "Boring", You say, "what? You aren't REALLY a boring person, are you?"

Just be playful man, it makes it a lot more fun for both of you.


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Some good advice has been given in regards to your "game" but something no one seems to have mentioned is that it could be your looks. If your approaching women significantly more physically attractive than yourself then you are not going to have much success.

Cold approach pick up is sales and you are the product. The more appealing a product is the better it will sale. Improve your product by dressing better, proper grooming, an working out.

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Yeah - 600 direct approaches and zero lays?

I am certain that is a fundamental issue. Yes, looking decent is classed as a fundamental. elephant in the room - nice one warped mindless.

PM me a pic of yourself (no homo), you can tell a lot just by looking at someone.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:18 am 
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Greetings,

I've been doing pick up for approximately 6 months now (direct daygame).

Approach 1-600: Routine based direct game. Shit was great for showing off and getting numbers easily however I never got a date from it.

Approach 600+: Natural direct game. I was able to connect easily and my interactions improved immensely. I even got a few girls to verbally agree to go on a date before hand however it still turned into a flake.


What am I doing wrong?


The only "routine" I use in my approaches is:
1. Smiling with eyes wide open.
2. Talking Slowly.
3. Focus on connecting (passions).
4. Make assumptions.
5. Kino.
Stop approaching women. They are not numbers.

Once you begin to genuinely love women, to truly see them for who they are, then your flaking will drop dramatically.

This might be of interest to you: http://centeredmanproject.com/why-appro ... ver-rated/

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