Attraction, comfort, inner game are all just words.

The basic understanding is just how to really understand how and why a woman feels what she feels, and make her want you.

Honestly, I think what you're doing is possible, but I do agree without sex it's not going to be as good.

Personally I wouldn't worry what the Bible says, because the Bible is just words written on a page, but I'm not here to get in a religious discussion. You need to live your life to the best of your abilities to make it the greatest possible.

There's more into pickup than hooking up with tons of girls.

However, I'd suggest that you read books like "Models" by Mark Manson. It's a book that is concentrated on how to better yourself AND hook up with girls, but in a decent approach that pickup has not yet focused on. This approach is related to strengthening your inner game and boosts your confidence like no other. It teaches you how to get a girl the 100% honest way.

I personally liked the book and I suggest that you read it.
That's just my opinion though.

What?!!

With those pink teats? She's easily a 9 or 10!

Seriously, many of us here are direct gamers and hybrid gamers. One purist who specializes in MM is detox75. Search for his posts to gain more insights on how MM is actually applied infield.

I got burned a lot from using negs so I tried to find other ways and approaches but you can say a major chunk of my seduction mindset is MM. I'm a firm believer of isolation and isolation bounces and other MM stuff. But my game has now transformed into something very bold and direct.

Sure, a lot of us here with modest experiences are willing to help, most especially those broken hearted guys and noobs who put in the leg work. However, speaking for myself personally, I do NOT enjoy any sort of religious discussion. That's not fun for me.

But if you want insights on pulling and banging women based on actual infield experiences plus easily verifiable empirical evidences, then I'll be here for you since I enjoy learning insights from other guys who are good with women who team up to help guys like you or from dudes who have relationship problems that I do not want to personally experience.

It's kinda selfish but I want to fix a very weak area in my dating life as well. At the end of the day, we all help each other.

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I appreciate the tips guys, I'll look into some of that material. The problem here is how to modify the methods and techniques into something a bit more "christian girl friendly." I'll have to develop and trademark my own Christian Girl Method haha

I love direct game, it's thrilling and super fun. It always gives me a rush to just walk up to a girl and tell her she's cute and ask her for her number. I mostly do it for confidence boosting/ keeping myself "sharp" or whatever. It sucks that I really can't use direct game as much as I would like to with the christian girls, it's probably a bit too forward for them.

I have used an outline of the Mystery Method before and that's how I actually got my last two girlfriends, so I know the techniques work. The whole teasing/ pebble neg stuff worked great for the last girl, as well as group theory. I can say without a doubt that's what got me her number in the first place and got her attracted in me.

I'll definitely check out the material tho, we're all in this journey no matter what our own individual end goals might be.

OP: First of all, I respect your decision to stay a virgin until marriage. That takes courage, especially in today's social climate. Hopefully, you're setting yourself up for fulfillment.

As far as pickup goes, you probably won't learn too much good information from this forum. The men here are incredibly needy - even the ones who hook up on a regular basis. They NEED women for validation. They NEED approval (via sex) to feel good about themselves. They obsessively emulate the behaviors of confident "naturals" without doing the necessary emotional legwork to actually BECOME confident men themselves. That's why you see so many guys here posting things along the lines of, "I recognized IOIs, proceeded to neg, and attempted to escalate. Got her number later. Texted her the next day. Call her today. No response. I texted her several times and she never hit me back! Am I friendzoned?"

Needy, needy, needy. Even the guys that do go out approaching every night are driven by the NEED for female validation. I suspect very little of it has to do with forming fulfilling relationships with women. They judge their success based on quantity ("how many HB9s have you banged, bro?") instead of quality ("How amazing was your time with that girl?").

PUA, in essence, is a bandaid solution for much deeper issues. I've been in the game long enough to tell you that it WILL fuck you up emotionally and mentally if you get too deep into it (although some material has some incredibly practical advice that really does help).

As far as solutions into your issues, I would say this:

Don't worry about gaining sexual experience. If you're planning to marry a virgin anyway, it doesn't matter. You'll both suck big time in bed. But you'll both grow together and experience something none of these guys (including myself) has.

Focus on confidence. Focus on removing the NEED for female validation. Learn to express yourself HONESTLY. Don't bend your personality in order to impress women (or anyone else). Be transparent. Embrace rejection and take it as a sign of incompatibility. DO NOT BE MANIPULATIVE. Set STANDARDS for yourself. Figure out what you will and WILL NOT tolerate from women. Make sure to enforce these standards regardless of beauty. If a woman puts on her bitch shield, walk away. If she flakes on you repeatedly, break contact. Contrary to PUA belief, not all women "test" you - only emotionally immature, bratty, and insecure bitches do this regularly. Unless you're going for cheap lays, REFUSE their little "tests." Grow balls and have some respect for yourself.

Since you're not planning to get laid, you actually have an advantage over many here. You can approach women and tell them they're beautiful, not anticipating sexual favors in return. You can learn to express yourself honestly without fear of NOT getting laid. And that's HUGE! When women see you're not invested in how they perceive you, you will become 90% more attractive than most guys.

Since sex is out of the equation, you actually focus on connecting with women on an EMOTIONAL level without that outcome attachment. In fact, I would start with trying to genuinely connect with as many people as possible. Cowards hide behind the mask of PUA and gimmicks. Truly confident individuals express themselves honestly and sincerely regardless of consequences (this is coming from someone who has experienced TRUE confidence in these past 3+ years after going my whole life faking it). The freedom is amazing.

Lastly, make sure you're looking for women in the right places. Since you want a girl who shares similar values, hitting up clubs and bars isn't going to work well. Get more involved in your church. Start going on missions (or whatever it is your particular religion does). Start talking to the women you meet through these channels without trying to impress them or "raise value."

Be as real and genuine as you can possibly be, because you're looking for a WIFE now. If you can find someone who vibes with the REAL you (that includes your rough edges, your flaws, etc..), then you've probably found a girl worth keeping.

Good luck my friend.

P.S. - Hitting the gym regularly, increasing your income/financial status, and focusing on self-improvement in ALL aspects of your life also helps greatly in increasing your confidence and makes you more attractive.

Final Boss, that was excellent. Thank you. I appreciate the input guys, it's been great to see the diff viewpoints.

In ways I feel like I have outgrown pickup and the community, but there are always areas where one can improve and grow.

That's the beauty of the game, you never stop learning, you never stop growing.

Would you buy a car before you test drive it? Even better question... would you buy a car if you didn't even know how to drive one?!

Here's whats gonna happen... You're gonna be in your late 20s or early 30s. Some girl who is in her 30s who is starting to lose her good looks is going to look for a guy to "settle down with." She's going to want someone who can take care of her and provide for her. That's going to be you.

You're going to get married and think everything is fine and dandy. This girl is going to make you think that she's also a virgin (or only slept with a few guys) but REALLY she's been fucked all type of ways by all different type of guys. But she's not some hot 21 year old chick anymore... She's getting old and she needs you to believe that she's some innocent little virgin so you'll provide for her.

A few years later... You'll come home to her fucking some asshole like me in your bed. Then all your dreams will be shattered. Your perfect life will be CRUSHED because you were so naive to think that girls (regardless of religious beliefs) like to have sex. Human beings like sex. It's just the way it is.

I'm a very spiritual person but I think organized religion is the biggest crock of shit ever. Why are you going to let some fucking book tell you what you should be doing with your life? And you can't sit here and tell me that even though "the bible says its wrong" that you don't want to have sex. You're human. Don't let some invisible man in the sky tell you that your natural desires are wrong and you should be ashamed for even thinking such things. Religious people have this problem where they are afraid to think for themselves.

And dude... even girls who are super religious, still like to get fucked. Hard. You're from Chicago... I'm sure you know your way around Illinois. My girlfriend is from Wheaton. Born and raised. There are like 30 some odd churches in Wheaton. Needless to say... She used to be super religious. You know how I met her...? I fucked her at some party within about 5 minutes of meeting her. There were a good 15-20 people watching us too. And, I had some dude in a Grim Reaper mask standing above me, waiting to tag in to fuck her too.

Nooooo.. an innocent little church girl would NEVER do that!! I'm pretty sure theres a video of the whole thing out there too... How would that one go over in Sunday school, huh?

Not putting you down or anything but here's what I get from your post... You're making excuses. You can't get laid. It's too hard and you're lazy and don't want to put in the effort. So you're publicly making an excuse on this forum (blaming your religious beliefs) as to why you're not going out and doing it. It makes you feel better about it. They call this "rationalizing."

You can change your beliefs though man... Who told you that you have to be religious? Who told you that you have to believe in the bible? You're 24 years old... Make a decision for yourself. Choose your own beliefs... Or just keep doing what you're doing. Either way... Doesn't impact me.... Well unless I happen to fuck your "virgin" wife's brains out some day

Good luck dude.

A lot of qualify advice here, I want to add a bit of an interesting take on it....


Sex helps solidify a relationship. Why? It is a huge Comfort building and Qualifying experience. She invests in you FAR more.

Can you Game without Sex? You can practice all the fundamentals, sure. But the act of Sex is another HUGE PUA tactic to get into a relationship. Morality aside, if Sex is out of the question, you MUST replace it with a lot more Investment and a lot more Comfort. How you do it is up to you.

The process is still the same. All the advice still works. You still must practice. You still must go out in field. You still must get good at everything from closing. Closing does not need to mean sex. If you fish in the same pond you exist in, women who share your beliefs, you will find a new way to 'Full Close' which may be a relationship. I am not going to address the religious side, but some women will give you a Blowjob, have Anal, or give you a handjob and it will mean as much as a 'Full Close'. You must figure it out for yourself.

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