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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:00 pm 
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I appreciate any input and advice that you all can give to me. So, I was at work when a HB7.5 and a HB8(with the biggest rack I have ever seen person to person) come to eat dinner at the restaurant I work at. Luckily, they sit in my section. So, I do the usual spiel get them chips and salsa, they had their IDs out already and I proceeded to say something along the lines of "oh, I see we have some IDs out, are we going to do some drinking tonight?). So, I got their food drink, yada yada while continuing to make small talk with them. When I come back the HB8 asks me if I'm single, I reply "yes, I am" while just having a smile on my face, trying to communicate good body language and such. She tells me that her friend thinks I'm cute and that she looks even better when she's not talking with her clothes off. So from there it was game on. I just continued to joke with them while all the time keeping a slight smirk on my face. I ended up getting the girl's number and told them I'd meet them downtown. So, after I get out of work I end up getting to downtown which is PACKED so I get there a little later. I text the girl telling her where I'm at and such, and I can already tell from her texting that she's drunk. So, I meet up with my wing so that he can take the HB8 and we go to meet them up. When I get to the bar, the girl is SO drunk that the both of them are fighting. I walked up, put my arms around both of them, and they were like oh it's you. But then they continued to fight with one another(super awkward I might add). So they walk away fighting with eachother, so my wing and I say screw it, and end up going to wall st. to see if there's any talent out there. What I didn't know was that my wing who's a pretty big ladies man, has AA. He has solid mid game and closing game but he doesn't open. So, I got a free drinks in him and we started scoping out potential sets. There wasn't a whole lot of talent really, but we see two blond HB6's looking our way, but when I finally get my friend to go and approach with me, they get approached by two douchey lookin' guys. So, we keep scopin' out the area and it's looking bleak. I text the drunk girl and tell her, "well, that was fun." and she tells me to call her. So, I do and she says something inaudible and I tell her just to text me, whcih she ends up not doing(ugh, drunk women.). By this time we see another set, 3 ugly girls, 1 HB5 and a HB6. My friend has enough alcohol in his system by now so we approach and I say "Hey, you guys were definitely looking at us earlier weren't you?". She laughs and I continue, "well if it wasn't us, we can introduce you to the guys next to us if you were looking at them, my wing immediately hits it off with the HB6 and I jump out of the conversation while he does his thing. I then go to the HB5 and ask her, her let me get your opinion on something(awesome line, I learned from reading the game), and asked her if this girl to the left of us looked like Miley Cyrus. so that sparked off conversation, I just kept it light joked with her and I asked if I could pull of the look, while we're hitting it off the cock blocker of the group says, hey, it's time to go. So, she ends up leading them away from us, before we can even ask for a number or escalate. Sigh. Then we ended the night right there. I texted the drunk girl seeing if she was coherent enough to hangout, apparently she wasn't. Idk, I think I'm not going to text her so I don't like Beta, until next weekend will be my deadline I suppose.


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 Post subject: Re: ESP's FRs
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:10 pm 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zelW1pVQKt4

This video really gave me the confidence I needed to start approaching. I'd had a couple faulty encounters at pickup before this where my AA really got to me, but this video made me a better person overall. Essentially, I realized that I shouldn't censor my personality or myself for anybody. I don't try to be funny, I say what's funny to me. I don't look for only the right thing to say, but what's on my mind. Overall, I'm just happier, I smile more, and I've become my own self. I still have tons to work on without a doubt, but this video really give me the push I needed. Not only to pick up women, but to have a happier outlook on life.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:14 pm 
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So, I started the night off with a decent buzz so I wouldn't have to spend a profane amount of money downtown. We hit the event and I initially let my AA get to me. I immediately saw some of my wings hit the venue and start putting in their approaches. This is definitely an area that I can work on, I usually start off slow and don't start putting in approaches until later after I've had a good amount to drink. That's another point that I definitely need to work on, is not relying on alcohol for approaching. This is part of the reason why I'm horrendous at day game. Although I do enjoy to socially drink, I need to remember it's fun and not a crutch to rely on to overcome that AA. Well, I started off pretty slow, I'm pretty sure my one wing opened up a set before I did, with an initial comment that didn't go too far. And we were also following some of the other guys around. I wanted to see them in action and I was also letting my AA get a hold of me. I finally did get my initial approach in with a HB8 with a wonder woman costume on. I sat next to her in a empty seat and she was alone. I just said hey is it okay if I sit her, and I sat before she could answer, trying to be cocky funny. That initial conversation sort of died. I need to work on this area of my game the most out of everything, so I tried to pick it up just saying some sh1t about being wonder woman, asking her if she could beat me up, and what not. But the conversation died out again, I didn't want to appear like I was trying, so I ejected. Next time I think I'm going to try and put the awkward part of coming up with topics on her. An idea that I got from this video How to Hold Conversation Like a Man | Nick Sparks. Anyways, after that one fo the wings and I just went around I still wasn't approaching much but then we started going around and I started opening up some sets, and my wing was as well. Again, my biggest problem is holding a conversation after that initial topic. We went back to the Cantina and someone got up from a seat next to a cute 6, So, I sparked up conversation with her. Just asking her what her costume was and what not, my wing was helping out with the conversation too so it wasn't going stale. Her cousin came back(HB8), and I started fluffing the sh1t with her. It just turned out to be an ideal set because she didn't speak much English, so it brought up a good amount of conversation. I started to escalate but saying little things like lightly teasing her about her accent, saying d'aww your accent is so cute, etc. I also asked her if she liked gringos, she didn't really give me a straight response, so I told her that I loved Ecuadorians. Little subtle things like that, that were a bit forward but not overbearing. I then started finding excuses to touch her. Like whenever she said something "shocking" or whatever I could use that would be exciting. I got the idea from gambler, from Richard La Ruina The Formula for Night Game. I also, kept getting closer to her, especially when leaning in to listen to her. I then got my arm around her, but her friend then said, why don't you just ask for her number? I made light of it and said hey I was working on it, just kidding around, having a good humor about it. But, then my wing told me he wanted to go, so, I got her number and then said give me a kiss. And so I got the kiss close and then we ejected. After that it was basically the night we got a few more approaches in, but nothing more mentioning.

Things I need to work on
Getting past the initial opener
Getting my sets in earlier
Not relying on alcohol as a crutch


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 Post subject: Re: ESP's FRs
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:14 pm 
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A note on the girl from my work, I tried to run some texting game on her from Gun's ultimate texting guide, but she kept just giving me generic answers. I teased her about her being hard to hangout with, and I learned she doesn't have a car. So, I told her I'd pick her up sometime this week to which she replied that she'd love to. I texted her back with a specific time(6:03) and location and day and she didn't respond. But later invited me to go support her by coming to the club she was bar tending at that night. I was annoyed so I told her I couldn't make it. Now I don't know what to do with this situation. I'm working on my texting game, it's not my most solid part of my game forsure.


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 Post subject: Re: ESP's FRs
PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:34 am 
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FR#4
One thing that I've been implementing in my game is to hit the venue with a genuine smile and give the image of myself having fun so that girls will be more attracted to my positive energy. (straight out of the Game) So, we hit Native to start out with and there really wasn't much talent. I decided to warm up on a girl who I really wasn't attracted to get that initial approach out of the way. I was leaning against the stair rail and I forgot how we started talking really. But I remember her saying this is probably a bad spot, because people kept coming through. One thing that I've learned works really well as far as mid game goes is sarcasm. Not offensive sarcasm, but optimistic sarcasm. What I mean by that is I said, oh no, I love this spot, I get to see all of the people that walk by, it's great. General things like that work really well, when matched with a sarcastic smile and joking manner. I've been doing that a lot lately and I've received positive feedback. Well, Native wasn't poppin' so we were just bar hopping going spot to spot. My wing really stepped it up and started putting a good number of approaches is. He opened up a set who actually ended up being a friend with her two lesbian friends who were legit married. I was talking to the straight one, but wasn't really feeling her, but it was good just to get some conversation going , I kept sarcastic and lightly joked with her and she was flashing me positive signs. We exited after awhile and just kept approaching, I really wanted to work on my mid game, which I feel like I accomplished as my wing opened up most of the sets. We went inside one bar that was playing music loudly, and I approached a HB7. I wanted to try out an opener I had thought of earlier so I just went up to her and said, "alright, I had this really great pickup line to use on you, but I forgot it on my way over here. So, instead, I'm just going to say hey, I'm ----". She laughed and it worked well, she was initially into me, but the conversation died after that(biggest struggle I'm having) and her and her friends left. We continued approaching but nothing too promising was really occurring. We were about to call it a night, when we decided to go to a bar down a long alley. We went in and saw a trio at the bar, and my wing immediately approached. I started talking to a hispanic HB8 and she was actually really cool. We were talking for a good amount of time, and I just kept the same attitude and it was working well. I started trying to escalate by doing something I learned from the Gambler video, and got a little closer to her mouth each time I'd say something in her ear. I could feel that her body language was suggesting it was working. She said she wanted to dance so I brought her to the dance floor, but it was electric music playing. I was just going to grind with her, but she said that apparently that's not how you dance to electric music(news to me). She then left with her friend to the bathroom so I started talking to her other friend a HB7 a little bit. When she got back from the bathroom I tried talking to her again but she wasn't really responsive, and she had gone cold on me(I really don't understand how that happened). So I said screw it, and I started talking to the HB7 again and we were getting along quite well. After a bit I was curious about a line someone posted in my lair, so I used it, and asked her the 3 questions(do you have a boyfriend, do you think I'm cute, what's your excuse for not kissing me right now?) and ended up getting the kiss close. She then tried the whole I'm not like that, but I just brought her in and kissed her again. I think her friend got pissed because shortly thereafter she prompted the group to leave. So, we all ended up leaving, I got her number, and we said goodbye. We were going back to the car and saw two girls HB7s walking and we approached. I was talking to the one girl and said, I felt weird walking behind you like that, so I decided to catch up to you. (Something I read on PUA Forums I wanted to tryout.) We joked about that and it was going good but then they were leaving to their car and we were over it by then and just wanted to call it a night. So overall, pretty good night.

Struggling points:
After using the initial opener I need to find a topic to use so the conversation doesn't stagnate. I think next time I'm going to try out the technique in Nick Spark's 21 convention video.
I should have gone for the hispanic girl more after talking to her friend. I obviously wanted to hispanic one more, so I should not settle for less.
I need to create more Sexual Tension. I'm creating kiss closes, but I'm not finishing.
Still have some AA, but it's progressively getting better.

Goals:
I need to get a F close by the end of the year.
Approach at least 10 sets next time I go out.
Use the Nick Sparks video to socially experiment it's usefulness.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:22 pm 
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FR#5

Daytime-
Met up with two wings for some daygame. This is my first attempt at daygame, I've literally never tried to pickup during the day before. We were at UCF, but unfortunately my dumb ass picked a weekend that was overcast and campus was empty af. So we eventually found ourselves in the library. We scoped the place out, there wasn't a lot of HBs but there was probably about 10 sets all together in the library. My first wing started out first and approached a girl sitting by herself. I walked with my second wing and we found a girl he wanted to approach so I told him to just go up to her, pull up a seat and tell her that he was passing by and though she was cute, so he wanted to say hi. He approached and I started walking around to find a set for myself. I did find one but it was a HB8, and two HB7s sitting at a study table in the middle, and the one vacant seat had her backpack on it. I really didn't know how to approach a 3 set for daytime since I'm so used to nightgame. So, I vagina'd out, and I met up with the two guys once they were done. We were going to another floor when we saw a HB7 working on a computer by herself with two vacant seats next to her, so after some encouragement from the guys I walked up took a seat and said hey, how are you doing today? She responded that she was good, and then I just told her I was passing by and thought she was cute, so I came up to say hi. She smiled and told me about how she was stressing about her finance class, blah blah blah. She was actually pretty, even qualified herself to me a couple times by saying she was sorry she couldn't even carry on a conversations he was so worried about her exam. So, after a bit of light conversation about majors, and what year we were in, blah blah blah, I told her I needed to get back to my friends since we were working on a project. This is where I made my mistake, I asked so can I have your number? Although she gave it to me, she said, but I have a boyfriend. I told her it was cool, we could just hangout. So, I told her it was nice to meet her and bounced. My second wing then got some cajones of steel and approached a HB9 that was sitting by herself and approached her. (mad props dude!) And my first wing approached another girl sitting solo. (Apparently they both have boyfriends....hm. Need a good counter for this common lame excuse) We couldn't find anything else up top, so we went downstairs and I had a little more confidence under myself so after debating if one girl was good looking or not(hard to tell from the angle) I approached her and shew as turned out to be a HB8. I just pulled up a seat right across from her(it was a small table with a computer that she was at). She looked at me with a blank ass look, so I told her there was no other seats around. She gave me the what the f--- look, so I just laughed and told her I was messing with her, and told her I thought she was cute, so I came to talk to her. She asked for my name and we introduced ourselves, and I asked her what she was up to, blah blah blah about her class, some big exam(common theme, eh?). I told her huh, guess I shouldn't be bothering you then huh, which she just kinda smiled about(not sure if I should've said that). But I told her I had to go meet back up with my friends and pulled out my phone and said what's your number? She told me she couldn't do that she had a boyfriend, I told her it was cool, we could just hangout. She told me she wasn't like that, and I replied I didn't say you were. But she wasn't gonnna give it up, so I told her I was going, and she said it was nice to meet you. And I ejected. Other than that, we really didn't get in any more approaches. One thing I found out about daygame is that if you hesitate for a moment, then it's already too late. You have to jump on it right away, no time for AA. We'll see how round #2 goes Wednesday.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:40 pm 
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FR#6-
Night time
This was one hell of an off night for me. I was riding on some good approaches last weekends at night but for some reason this was a real low of a night. Anyways... I went up to Mad Hatter's(local UCF bar/club environment). It was free drinks until 12 so I probably got about 4 drinks in while waiting for the other guys to show up. I did approach one girl at the bar to get that initial one out of the way. Basically I just asked her how her night was going, introduced myself, but the conversation just died and she was with her friends, I could tell she just wasn't feeling me. Chris showed up first, and we were just chilling waiting for my other friend to show up. We didn't really approach during the time frame(probably erroneous in hindsight) and my friend showed up when the venue was already packed. I was kind of drunk and my first wing started doing the approaching, but the girls just weren't responsive. We just walked around trying to find some sets, and we kept getting separated. I was waiting for my friend to get out of the bathroom and started talking to a HB7 by herself who told me she was looking for her boyfriend, we shot the shit for a little bit, told her I lost my friends too, but she apparently really was looking for her boyfriend and she walked off telling me to have a good night. Well, I don't think I approached any girls after this. I let my AA get the best of me, and I kept getting separated from my wings. My friend kept trying to approach girls but they just weren't responsive to him. I got caught in a train of grinding with some girls, until I noticed that there was an UG behind me, although there was a HB8 in front of me, I could tell she wasn't feeling me and that the UG wanted me, so thankfully my second wing came in and saved the day and arrived at the perfect time. I chilled with my second wing and his friends for a little bit, but I fell into old habits and I just closed myself up at this point, and I felt like my self confidence was just shot. Really disappointing night for me, but I think most of it was just due to letting my AA getting the best of me.

Learning points----
The longer I feel myself waiting to harder it is for me to approach. As soon as I hit the venue I need to start approaching. Doesn't matter if I'm solo or in a group of wings, or whatever. If I don't do this, I let my AA get a hold of me.
Try to stay organized with my wings for approaches.
Don't close myself off if I'm having a couple of bad interactions
Approach until the venue is exhausted. I bet some cute girls thought I was attractive there, but I'll never know.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:13 pm 
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FR #7 Daytime

Met up with the guys and we were waiting for a couple of new guys to arrive and my 1st wing started the day off early by going off and approaching a HB8 while we were sitting there waiting. There was an event going on for student housing so there were a decent amount of people in the area, and we saw a lot of sets. We split off into two groups and were went towards the student union. Turns out there was tents set up over there as well(I guess that's what happens on Wednesdays at UCF? huh.) I saw a HB7 who caught my eye with her hippy kind of style and her peace sign bag. So I got the initial approach out of the way and just went straight for her without any hesitation and just ignored my AA and told her hi, how are you doing? I saw you walking by and I thought you were cute so I had to come over and say hi to you. (That's how I opened up all of the girls for this FR. Direct is the way to go for the day.) She told me she had a bf, and that she was actually on her way to go meet him. I joked around with her a little bit, just asking if he'd be jealous, if she was going to tell him, etc. She was laughing about it, but I could tell from her signals that she wasn't going to give me the number so I told her it was nice to meet her and ejected.

I went to go meetup with another member so my next approach took a bit longer. There was a HB7 blonde that put down her bag real quick on the side and so I went to go approach while the other guys kept walking(she didn't see them I don't think.). So I just said the same thing and she introduced herself to me, asked me my name, was definitely flashing some signs of interest and what not. After I opened her up I asked her if she was off to class and she told me about biology and I told her that I took it before, it was hard, yada yada, we were talking about the free shit they were SPAM at the tents, and she had a great personality. She was already late to class, so I told her I didn't want to keep her from being late and told her I'd love to take her out sometime and got the number close.

A little later, I was trying to help one of the guys with his AA, so I showed him how to catch up to a girl and talk to her(basically I just speed walked until I was close, then slowed down my pace when near her) and I started talking to a HB7.5 hispanic using the same line and what not. She was actually pretty cool, and I was just walking with her, and the conversation seemed to be going well(I asked her about about why she wearing a jacket when it was so hot, blah blah blah). I tried to number close saying I had to get back to my friends and that I'd love to take her out sometime but she rejected me, but at least she was nice about it.

I spent the next few minutes trying to push one of the more hesitant guys into sets and help him out with his AA and we got him to start approaching which I was really happy about.

My wing and I saw a HB8 and a UG walking together, so we'd figure we'd wing each other but didn't end up approaching because we couldn't think of a strategy to use. Then we say a HB8(it might have been a teacher) walking by by unfortunately I hesitated and had to go catch up to her. By the time I caught up to her she was in the parking garage getting in her car so I said screw it and walked back. But then we saw a HB9 and a UG walking together. After they passed us I just knew I had to approach her, so I went back and said the same thing. My wing came by a minute later saying oh, that's where you went. lol We really need to look into approaching girls in bigger groups and being able to both go up during the day. But anyways, I started talking to the girl and turns our she is from Venezuela visiting until Sunday(man she was such my type), she didn't speak much English, but enough to converse. There was some complications with getting her phone number so eventually she took down mine and I told her I'd download what's app. she actually asked me if I wanted her number, I didn't even get the chance to ask before she did. So some definite positive signs, but with the number complications I hope I can close before she returns to Venezuela.

After that, I approached a HB8 that had iPod ear buds in, I used the same line but she didn't hear me, so I motioned for her to take out her buds, and she did and I said it again and she smiled and what not, but the interaction was kind of awkward. I could tell we weren't really vibing and she was giving me really short answers, I even ran out of shit to say at one point and I just tried to cover it up by saying I blanked out. I got the number close but it was a weak one.

After that I did a warm approach because I already knew her from a previous democrat meeting. She didn't remember me, so I just teased her about it and we were talking about republicans, how many members the YDA had(which she was promoting for), and made it into a game to see if she could remember where she met me. I'm still kind of on the fence about her, because her looks are ok but her intelligence makes her cute. I should have got the number close, I know I could have gotten it, she was showing me a lot of good signs but for some reason I didn't. Oh well, until the next democrat meeting I suppose.

Overall pretty good day!

----------Goal---------
Next time I go out get 5 number closes and at least 10 approaches

---------Problem areas--------
Getting past that I have a boyfriend thing. There's got to be some techniques out there to derail this common response.
Learn how to approach sets with multiple girls during the day, and how to use a wing during the day.
Some different openers wouldn't hurt either.
Still have some A.A. Although I did pretty good today, there were a few HBs that I didn't list that I didn't approach. Also, I have to learn not to hesitate during the day, because it's a bitch to go catch up to them.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:59 pm 
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FR #8

Nighttime

Another night without it being too productive. But although I didn't get results per se, I did realize some things about myself that are going to help me on this journey of becoming a freakingly awesome PUA. We headed out with the guys downtown and initially it was a cluster f--- meeting up with some of the other guys, things get disorganized, etc. I'm new to running events for a lair so this was a learning evening for me in that regard as well. Well, after getting through that initial confusion and what not, my wing approached and I winged him for a warm up. There was a HB7 and her friend was a UG. He opened them up just asking them about the local scene and what not(he's not from here, so good information and good excuse to open, I can dig it) and there were pretty cool at first. But they started talking about buying drinks and he asked them if they were going to buy him one, and they reacted pretty negatively. They were a goody girl kind of type, when he challenged them, they didn't take to it. But hey, I've used the same line and I've gotten mixed results, really depends on the girl. But we got kind of shut out of the set, but nothing really to be bummed about.

After that initial approach I had to deal with more group shit, but I eventually said screw it and Bart and I hit a bar, but it wasn't really popping. So, we left and met up with a wing and he opened up a mixed set and so we winged him. We talked to the UG while he talked to the HB7. The UG really wasn't feeling us, but we kept her distracted. I think she was just a miserable person; she did not like to smile. We started seeing some signs that they wanted to get out of the interaction (putting her purse on, etc.) so we ejected, idk if my wing number closed or anything but she wasn't anything too special.

After this, we were walking around downtown and I saw a 3 set, with a HB8, and two HB7s. I came up to her and asked her if her jeans were torn like that when she bought them or she made them like that. I then ran into someone on accident and just made fun of it, like I didn't care. (well, I really didn't) And I was getting some positive signs from her, but I could tell she would take some work. But her friends were pulling her away from me and giving me that get lost eye, so I didn't really get a good chance there.

After this we headed up to another bar, I opened up a HB8 sitting by the guys bathroom sitting on a chair. And she was a straight up b!tch. I just asked her why she was sitting next to the bathroom to which she responded do you see any other chairs anywhere in an incredibly negative manner. Honestly this girl was just making me mad that I just went into sarcastic mode with her. At this point in the night I just did not care one bit. Needless to say the interaction was not good, but I really was waiting for the bathroom, so I irritated her long enough until it was free.

After that I opened up a HB8 that apparently worked there. My wing was messing around negging her in a indirect way, just talking to me and seeing if she would catch on(if anything else it cracked me up) and he left and I opened her up saying hey sorry about my friend. He's an a-hole. She didn't hear what he was saying, so it made for a somewhat interesting convo, but she was pretty negative as well and threw up the b shield, and left me as soon as the bathroom was free.

After this we left and I just did not care about rejection at this point. There was a UG that my wing opened up and he introduced me to her, but she actually turned out to be really cool. She wasn't all that bad, but thick for my tastes. I just talked to her and after realizing she had a good personality I started introducing some sexual language in the convo. I was watching a lot of simple pickup videos so I was being vulgar, stepping out of the safe zone. She was cool with it, and if anything I stayed in the interaction too long. I could tell she was feeling me, but I made the mistake of sticking around and not being open to leaving the interaction at a whim. I got the number close after my wing came by and helped speed up the interaction, but after about 5 more minutes I tried to kiss close and I got denied. I can only attribute this to being in the interaction too long, really my game was solid. That was the kind of night it was, but, I'm kind of glad I didn't. Her personality made her attractive, but I can pull better girls than that.

After that, we were about to hang up the gloves for the night, when we saw a homeless guy just breaking it down in front of wall street, and he had gathered quite a crowd. So, I opened up a 5 set with 2 HB7s, a HB6, and 2 UGs. I went up to the one 7 and I asked her if she would give me 5 dollars to dance with the guy. She laughed and said no, but I dared her to do it, and we ended up fluffing the shit for a while and I was talking to 3 of them, while my wing was talking to the other two. Eventually, I stepped out of my comfort zone and danced with the homeless dude (I would NEVER have done this a month ago even) and the girls were laughing about it, and I think it boosted me in their eyes because I just didn't care. I think I stayed in the interaction again for too long. The vibe changed completely once one of the UGs realized she was missing her car keys. I tried to number close the HB7 at this point and she asked me why. I told her because she was cute, and I was obviously flirting with her. She came up with a lame excuse that she lives too far and yada yada, so they left. I feel like if I would have tried earlier, then I would have definitely gotten a number close. But after the car keys incident their entire demeanor changed.

After this, the night was pretty much done. We headed up to pita pit and I saw a HB8 sitting by herself. I told the guys that one of us had to approach, so I ended up doing it after my wing said it was mine. I just came up, pulled up a seat, and told her that she looked interesting and I was going to talk to her. She told me she was waiting on her friend, so I just joked around about the employees being slow, how maybe we could help them out, then we talking about baking, and cooking, and she was pretty cool. I could tell a couple of times I was too enthusiastic about some of the things she said, and smiled a bit too much. I tried to number close but she said she was talking to somebody. I countered each of her excuses but she gave me the, you're not getting my number face, so I ejected on a positive note. One of my wings told me that I appeared like I was leaning towards her too much afterwards. Showing a little too much interest. Some good feedback I'll have to work on.

Overall, this was a night about my AA. I think that daygame has really helped me minimize it. I really don't care about approaching anymore, and I have great self-confidence. I believe this will translate well for my overall game. However, I still have plenty to learn. This is only one component of it. I also hit my goal of at least 5 approaches (I think I got about 10.) I also limited myself two 2 beers a shot and a mixed drink. This is big for me! Me being more sober actually gave me more confidence. Huh.

Learning Points
For future meetups, we're going to be organizing differently, so I don't have to worry about lair stuff, and getting organized and having it directly impact the amount of sets I'm in.
I have to show a bit more disinterest in my interactions, especially evident talking to the HB8s and above.
I need to limit my time in interactions. I have to show the willingness to leave at a whim.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:27 pm 
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Alright, I'm writing this FR a little late, so some of the details might be fuzzy. (damn you beer) So here, it goes.

FR #9(woot woot!) - Daygame

Went to UCF the day before thanksgiving. (well that was a mistake) The campus was empty af, so getting in approaches proved to be quite difficult. I vag'd out on a couple of approaches that we initially saw. Went to go approach a HB9, and she entered a building, and I lost her, a classic case of me hesitating. Approaches a HB8, told her she was cute, and I had to talk to her. She said thanks and kept walking and I just froze up and said your welcome. Jeezuz, idk what happened there. lol Saw a blond from far away, couldn't tell if she was cute, decided to find out. Approaches, and she ended up being a HB7, told her the usual. Thought she was cute, thought I would talk to her. She looked at me blankly, so I thought she had a ipod in(she was wearing a hoody) turns out she wasn't. Well, needless to say that got awkward real quick. I tried to save the interaction, but overall it was kind of weak, got her laughing towards to end and told her to give me her number. Got the number close, and gave her a hug.

After hesitating on a HB9(entered another building, fack) I decided to sit at a table and try something new. Sat at a table and had my phone out on the table. A HB8 was passing by and I was with a wing, and I asked her if she wanted to sign up for our organization. When she asked what it was, i told her I was collecting cute girls' phone numbers. She went along with it, and flashed plenty of IOIs, got the number close after joking around a bit.

Tried to same thing with a HB9,
Her: I'm not a student
Me: It's okay, the organization is fake I just saw you walking by and thought you were cute
Her: Yeah I did walk by.. (and gave me the god you're annoying look.) Her: You're too young for me anyways.
Me: I'm 24(minus, 3, mwahaha). How old are you?
Her: I'm 24.
Me: Huh, would you look at that.
Her: Yep...(stop talking to me already look)
Her: I need to go get lunch
Me: Alright I'll stop annoying you, have a wonderful day.

After that I couldn't get the cajones to approach a HB9, maid that was working at the school. She was a bit older, but lawd, she was hot.

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Goals: Remains the same. Get in 10 approaches and 5 number closes. I just need a better day to do it!
Also, I want to incorporate some of Roosh's daygame stuff next time I go out. From now on, I'm going to try a new PUA technique each time I go out.

Sticking Points: Starting out slow, and hesitating. It's like jumping into a cold pool of water, your body adjusts to it after a bit, but at first it feels like your nuts are going to fall off.
Stringing together conversational topics that don't come off as awkward. I am getting better at this overall each time I go out however.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:52 pm 
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Headed downtown for dranksgiving...or whatever they called the day before thanksgiving drinking thing.

FR #10 Nightgame

Jeezuz christ this was one cold ass night. And my nutz took a bit to warm up.
Started off by entering a low key bar. After about 5 minutes of stagnation decided to approach a 2 set, a HB8 and a 6.

Me: Hey, how's your night going?
Them: Good, how about your's?
Me: Freaking awesome!! You guys look interesting, I'm going to talk to you.
Them: (laughing) haha, okay.
Me: Are you guys celebrating something?
Them: Thanksgiving!
Me: Hell yeah. I just wanted an excuse to drink. I can't wait to eat tomorrow, my god.
Them: (laugh)
*somebody leaves their seat more near to the bar*
Them: We should go grab those seats
Me:(WHY DID I DO THIS?!) Haha, alright. Well, I gotta get back to my friends anyways, have a good night.

There was only one more set in the room. A HB8 and a UG. My wing and I approached. I can't quite remember the specifics of this conversation. But, we were joking around a lot, the HB8 was pretty sexual, and straight forward. (yep, turned me on) We fluffed the shit for awhile, I tried to incorporate a bit of kino, touched the HB twice lightly on the arm, when making a point, etc. But, we stayed in the set way too long, and I didn't escalate more when I should have. Tried to number close at the end, she then showed me her wedding ring. (sigh) I feel like I could've got the F close from this girl(she was only in town for the a day). But at the same time my morality would've been hurt. Ah well.

After this, plenty of blowouts. Tried to wing my boy, as he was talking to her friend.
Me: Whatsup, are you having a good night?
Her: (quietly) yeah.
Me: Psh, you need more energy than that. You've gotta be like F- yeah!!!
Her: no response (GTFO look)
Me: You don't like talking do you?
Her: (shakes her head)

ended up leaving the set. she was a UG anyways, and god was she a b1tch.

A girl drunk af bumps into me at the bat, she's a HB8
Me: Hey now, I know I'm cute, but this is too fast for me.
Her: (Drunken laugh)
Wing: Man, this girl is mean.(jokingly) She told me to shut the f up earlier.
Me: Whatttt? Idk if we can be friends now
Her. (drunken laugh) I'm so drunk
Me: Psh, I bet you can do better than that.
Her: (laugh)

She ends up walking away in a drunken stupor. I end up re approaching about 15 minutes later.

Me: *lightly bump into her* huh, didn't see you there.
Her: (laugh)
Me: Geez, I was trying to get away. Are you following me or something?
Her: Ahh, I'm too drunk for this! (walks away drunkenly giggling)

We decided to leave the bar and hit another venue. By this time I have a vodka and redbull and jeezuz, I am super hyper. Hit a bar, that's got a big dance floor game kind of vibe. I abhor dance floor game. I find a HB8 and and a HB7 dancing together, so I go up and start dancing in the same area. The HB7 leaves, so I decided to back it up into the HB8, and I try to back her up and dance with her.

Her: I don't dance like that.
Me: Yeah right, you definitely do.
Her: (laugh) I have a boyfriend
Me: Me too.
Her: (profusely laughing)
Me: Maybe they can get together, we'll have a double date.
Her: (Laughing pretty hard) I've got to go!

In hindsight I should have approached earlier. I just hate dance floor game. Something I need to work on forsure. As I was leaving I was just so hyper. Ended up seeing the same girl as I was leaving.

Me: Whooo! (other generic, drunken, hyper noises)
Hb 7 and 8: laughing at me
Me: Sorry, I'll turn it down. I know I'm like up here, I need to be down here. I just kept walking. I heard her saying, that's the guy and pointing at me as I was leaving. Huh, guess I made some sort of impression. Whatever it was.

Overall, it was a weird night. Downtown wasn't really the best venue for that particular night. Looking forward to when all these special nights are over with.

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Goals: Incorporate a new PUA technique each time I go out.
Improve my dance floor game. I'll have to look up some material for this.
I need to escalate sooner and stay in interactions for less time.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:14 pm 
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Another night dtown

Fr #11 Nighttime

Decided to limit myself on drinks and be the DD for the night. The scene was looking pretty promising. This is unfortunately going to be a short FR. We decided to start going around and bar hopping. We hit some of the smaller bars, and at the start of the night I was bringing some great energy. I could feel that women were laughing at me(not in a bad way) because I was bringing attention to myself. I was being loud, carefree and just bringing a fun vibe overall. Warmed up on a couple of sets by the bar. But nothing quite note worthy. We found ourselves in a smaller bar and my wing opened up a 3 set , 2 HB7s and a HB8. I tried to wing him but they started to close off to us.

At this point all of the sets I've been in are all throw aways. My wing is pretty drunk and just cracking me up. He's having no fear in approaching women, just gotta work with him to find tune his interactions. A UG and approaches us with her HB8.5 friend.

Her: Isn't my friend hot(while gesturing towards her open shirt that just screams, I need attention). If you had to describe her in one adjective, what would you say?
Wing: Cinderalla
Girls:(laughing)
UG: Cinderalla, what about you, what would you say?
Me: Well Cinderalla really isn't an adjective(trying to ensure they're value wasn't going higher than ours). And seeing as you're gesturing towards her boobs, I'm guessing that's what you're trying to accentuate here. My adjective would be...large.
Her: Large? I haven't heard that one!
Wing: something along the lines of her being beautiful

After that they walked off from us. Told wing about higher value, and how direct compliments like that are too general, and over used and that they will generally not be useful. This girl was fishing for attention. Once we gave it to her, she was out.

After this interaction we approaches a 2 set both HB7s. Got to talking to the girl about how she's from Iowa, and why she in town, yada yada. She was flashing plenty of IOIs, and then her friend proceeded to show me that the girl I was talking to was engaged. My wing tried to save it(rather cleverly, I might add) by turning the ring to the left and saying, that means it's off. I did some light kino, but didn't really try to escalate. Too many people there knew her, I doubt she would have gone home with me. Maybe if she was only with her one other friend. Left by telling her I was going to go hit on a single girl(LOL).

Approached a 2 set, HB7 and a HB8, on their phones. Decided to try out the Roosh opener, "You guys look like you're having the most fun out of anybody here". Said it was a sarcastic twang, and it actually opened them up rather well. Going to utilize this more often.

Her: Oh yeah, we're having a blast.
Me: You gotta say it with some enthusiasm, you gotta be like f--- yeah I'm having fun.
Girls: Laughter
---(conversation stagnation for a few seconds)--
Wing: Oh you cracked your phone too?
HB8: Yeah! It just happened tonight!
Just talked about her phone a bit more, but we made the mistake of talking to the HB8 and not including the HB7, so she pulled her away from the interaction.

After this, I fell into an old habit. I became very shy, withdrawn and quiet. Naturally, I am an introvert and I used to be REALLY quiet and withdrawn. I've been working on this for years to become more outgoing and talkative. I've come a LONG way, but every now and then, I revert back to my original old self. I've been hitting a plateau recently, so I think it just brought me down. Next time, I'm going to tell the guys so that they can push me to be the outgoing, fun sociable PUA we all know and love.

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Outcomes: I did manage to use the new Roosh opener, so I'm keeping on my goal of trying out a new PUA technique each time I go out.
Goals: I need to push through that introvert state next time I feel myself becoming this way.
I need to keep that same initial energy I brought me with this night. I noticed that more people notice you, and that I give off a fun, playful, vibe.
I need to work on hitting a venue and making friends with everybody, thereby increasing my value. Read some of this from Gambler.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:37 pm 
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Decided to head the mall at Millenia to go bag some holiday shoppers

FR #12- Daygame

MAN, is mall game different. Met up with the guys and we decided to split off into groups of 2 and hit different parts of the mall. Started off with a warm up set. I have been reading day bang by Roosh, so it convinced me to get some indirect game going for the daytime, which I've never really tried. I approached a older HB7 who was working for a warm up.

Me: What's up with all of the fur that I keep seeing around?
Her: Oh, it's for a promotion that's going on.
Me: Oh really? Do people actually buy this stuff?
Her: Oh yeah, There was a guy actually looking at that one the other day.
Me: What? No way. I don't think I could ever wear something like that. It's like emasculating.
Her: Well, this one is nice, it's manly.
Yada yada more of this kind of talk. I never went direct with it, and politely ejected. Just wanted to get a grip on this indirect game during the day thing.

After this I saw a HB8 in the same store and approached her.
Me: Excuse me, I need a female opinion on something.
Her: Okay.
Me: I'm shopping for my gf and I'm looking for a gift for her.
Her: Well, idk. Maybe a cute top like that, or some jewelry.
Me: I just don't even know where to start with a top.
Her: How much are you willing to spend?
Me: The less the better.
Her: well everything in this store is like $500 dollars. I only shop here and (I forgot the other ridiculously expensive place)
Me: Ohh, so you're a big baller huh?
Her: Laugh, yeah you could say that.

After this I froze up and ejected. I think that money thing intimidated me. Damn, could have had a suga momma.

Approached a HB9 tht was walking in Macy's, decided to try direct.
Me: Excuse me
Her: Yes?
Me: (now realizing just how freaking hot she is) I say you passing by, and I thought you were cute. So, I came to say hi.
Her: Laughing, thank you.
Me: Oh you're welcome, are you shopping for family or something?
Her: Yes, I am. (flashing a smile)
Me: Oh okay, yeah I'm with my friend, we're shopping for our family and all. He's probably wondering where did I run off to. I just saw you and ran away from him.
Her: laughing, do you know how old I am?
Me: Hmm...25?
Her: 17(eeek!).
Me: Oh, when do you turn 18?
Her: In January(whew)
Me: Oh, you're almost there then huh? Well, my friend is probably wondering where the hell I'm at, so let me get your number real quick.
Her: I'm sorry, I have a boyfriend.
Me: No you don't.
Her: No really I do! He goes to school at ----- with me.
Me: Ah, of course you do. You're too damn cute. Well, have a good day. Nice to meet you.

Approached indirect to a HB 8.5 selling perfume.
Me: Hey, do you know why there's like random people dancing down there. (they were doing zumba in the middle of Macy's, wth..)
Her: I have NO idea, I just come to malls to sell this product.
Her: Want to smell sample this perfume djf;sldfkjas
Me: Eh sure. Do you like this perfume?
Her: No...it smells like old lady!
Me: My god, it really does. So, you don't have a set schedule? You just go out to whatever mall?
Her: Yeah basically.
Me: Are people asking you employee questions? Like where's the bathroom?
Her: My god, yes!!!
(She started to drift away some and talk to some people, but really she was there to work, in hindsight I should have gone direct here)
Me: Well, I gotta get going. Nice talking to you. Have fun.

Saw a 2 set a HB 7.5 and a HB 8, came up to the 7.5
Me: Excuse me, I saw you passing by and I thought you were cute, so I came to say hi to you. (HB 8 comes back, she had kept walking.) Oh, I didn't see you had a friend with you. My bad, lol.
Her: Oh no that's okay.
Me: What's your name?
Her: s;dfjsdl;fj
(my wing appears)
Me: And this is my friend utfuif.
(I can't really recall a lot of this conversation, just found out she's from UCF, that she was from some hispanic country. Mmmf, my favorite. Halfway through the interaction Tom and I end up switching girls, lawl.)
my wing ended up number closing the one, to see if they were going to come dtown at night to hang out with us. So, I didn't try to number close. In hindsight, I should have got the digits too.

My wing and I saw a HB 8.5 with a couple UGs heading into a store so we went in there to approach after some debate if we should follow into a store.
(my wing opened and went direct, can't recall what he said now).
The conversation stagnated after the opener, and my wing delivered a beautiful line.

wing: Well, I'd buy you a drink, but there's no bar here.
Her: Laughing, well, I'm only 17.
wing: Geez, I'm old. I'm like 30. Nah not really, I'm 26.
After that, I could tell Tom wasn't going to be about that life, I'm still only 21, so I'll number close a 17 year old. (that's not illegal!) I can't really recall this conversation either. But ended up getting the number close, after she tried to give me her Facebook(I don't have one, mwahaha). Probably a throw away number honestly.

Overall, a pretty solid day game session. Mall game is just so different from university game. University game there are HBs EVERYWHERE. Mall game, they’re with their mothers half of the time, or you get yourself wondering if they’re 18. Eek.

Goals
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Refine the indirect approach. I think after a few minutes of indirect, I think I’ll go direct. I’ve gotta implement more of the technique from Roosh’s book.
Keep implementing a new technique each time I go out. I’m meeting this goal, and it’s been good for me.


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Started this one out late(got to the downtown bars at around 1)

Fr #13 Nighttime

Let me tell you sobriety is hard. I'm going sober for the entire month of January, and now for February. Each time I have a drink I'm adding a month onto my sentence. It'll be good to give my body a cleanse for once, plus I've been constantly wanting to stop relying on alcohol to "enhance" my PUA skills.

Anywho, this night started off real late. I was in a bit of a bad state of mine at first because parking took 30 minutes(don't ask, trust me) but I finally got there and meet up with my wings. My wing bumped a HB8 with her HB7 friend and walked away putting me in the interaction, we joked about it and it was cool, tried to open them but they didn't even respond to me. Like literally didn't even acknowledge a word a said to them. Idk if they didn't hear me or they were just throwing up the BS. Pride got the best of me and I ejected.

Ended up in BBQ bar, and there were a decent amount of girls around. My one wing got in a set so my second wing and I decided to walk around. I didn't approach any in the area getting a initial dose of AA, that I knew would wear off once I started getting in there. We were walking around my second wing got into another set, decided to not wing him because it was a one set. Ended up heading upstairs where there were a decent amount of girls. My second wing opened up a HB7(I couldn't hear a word he said) but I think she hit him or something on accident? idk I'm still perplexed. But I got in the interaction and started joking with the girl saying, "hey, he's sensitive alright? How are you just going to hit him like that? I thought you were cooler than that, come on now." She was laughing and she was touchy, showing definite IOIs, but her friends was pulling her away. I blanked out on this one and let her get away, I should've joked with her and brought in the cock blocka to the interaction.

After that I felt like the rust was wearing off so we went around looking for more sets. I passed by a 3 set with a UG and 2 HB7s. I went to go approach and literally as I went to go sit down next to her, her bf swoops right in front of me and takes a seat. Well shit, that was some bad luck.

We decided to go back to wall st. Ended up opening a 3 set(UG, HB7, HB8)
2nd wing: (to HB8) woah, are you drinking water?
Me: You know, I thought you were cooler than that. I'm so dissapointed.

Can't really recall much else of this conversation, but we were vibing and getting along pretty well, until I learned that the HB8 and the UG were married and it was the bachelorette party for the HB7. In hindsight I probably should've messed with the HB7, and make fun of the cliches of having a bachelorette party. But soon after hearing that news I decided it was time to eject.

Met up with 3rd wing, and 2nd wing got into a one set by himself. 3rd wing and I somehow got into a conversation with the short HB8. And we were doing well in the interaction but some huge black guy almost knocked her over and they ended up talking to her, didn't really want to appear beta by just hanging around her, so eventually we said screw it. Tried to open up more sets at this point I was feeling good with my interactions and ready to roll, but it was also 1:50AM. Tried a high five, that didn't workout. Totally blanked out on a HB9 that I did a very generic, hey, whatsup to. Then, 3rd wing and I approached a HB8(talking with her made her a 9) and a HB7 at the bar.

Me: You guys look like you are just having the time of your lives right now.
HB: Oh yeah we are
Me: I figured, I'm going to come talk to you and you're just going to brighten up my night.
HB: Yeah, I'm sure we can do that.
Me: Alright, so entertain me. Do you have like a joke, a juggling act, something?
HB: Mmm, no. Nope, all out of jokes.
Me: You have to have one! I mean like, alright, a guy walks into a bar...
HB: You're on a roll keep going.
Me: No you have to contribute to the story, it's your turn. It's like uh..how do you call it? Improv yeah.
HB: And he's wearing a blue shirt
Me: And he is just sexy as f----.
HB: And he's single.
Me: How could you tell?(God, I love sarcasm). And he comes in and talks to a girl, who's also single.
HB: Laughs

After this we just ended up talking about general things, while I found excuses to do some light kino on her. Some guy grabbed her shirt earlier so it was a good way to examine her shirt material and do some kino. Also, we introduced eachother and our names later on, it was cold so I put her hands to my face, because i said they were warm (I thought it was a good excuse). Ended up getting the n close, definitely a cool ass girl, would love to meet more girls like this.

The night was ending and 3rd wing and I saw a 2 set with a UG and a HB7. I went to approach and a guy walked right in front of me and was talking to them(their friend, evidently, wtf 2x in one night my terrible ass timing). He walked away and 3rd wing ended up re-engaging after my pride didn't want me to reopen, also didn't want to appear beta. He was in the interaction for about 5 minutes, decided to wing him. Started talking to the HB

Me: Were you guys on wall st. earlier?
HB: No we were at sdilgsa;lj bar and my friend works at I Bar(that's where we were out by)
Me: Oh you missed out this big black guy was freaking out and got tazed! (a bit of an embellishment, he didn't actually get tazed, but damnit he was close)
HB: Oh no we didn't see that.
Me: Yeah it was wild. so let me you ask about this tattoo here, does it mean something?

Whenever girls have tattoos it's a GREAT topic to bring up. She started showing me all of the ones she had right along her panty line and such. A perfect excuse for kino as I touched each of the tattoos as she was explaining them to me and what not. Definitely was showing me IOIs. Then tried to n close

Me: Alright, that bulgarian tattoo was so awesome, that I'm going to need your number before I go.
HB: I have a boyfriend, he's actually standing right over there....(DOH!)
Me: Oh shit, no way! Alright well, you all have a good night.

Overall it was a late night, but I ended up feelin' the vibe and I felt like I was doing solid in my latter interactions.

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Outcomes:Got a solid n close, and didn't drink a drop of alcohol. I'm loving that roosh opener, and I'm using it pretty often now. Sarcasm FTW.
Goals: Experiment with a new opener next time.
Do a little more kino and get closer.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:27 pm 
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I'm doing the sober January aswell but my punishment is that i have to give $100 to charity if i fail! I really like beer and wine, so this is a real challange, so far so good though! =)

Nice to read about nightgame, i really should start learning that stuff aswell..


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