I think we always hear talk about pickup is a lot like being a salesman. I like this guys view on being the buyer, not the seller.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ79ypcEiJI[/youtube]

Each type of pick up approach or method will have pros and cons.

From a seller's perspective, you put up one web page with a highly efficient sales copy and badass SEO. Next, you simply go about your day in an easy manner while the sales come in. From a buyer's perspective, you move from one web page to another to shop for something that you want. Next, you make a comparison to choose the best option and then you buy.

This is one of the reasons why I prefer testosterone showmanship or Mystery's peacocking concept rather than approaching girls one at a time in a standard fare street game and saying, "Hi" whether girls gave approach invitation cues or not. In the testosterone showmanship/peacocking model, you advertise your 'wares' to many girls at a time.

When you get approach invitation cues, that's the time you approach and soft sell (not hard sell) your cock to a hot lead although most of the time you simply can't control the sales process from starting with soft to suddenly transforming into throbbing, rock hard.

Then you guide the interaction towards a standard Mystery Method Qualification-Acceptance step where the buyer is now selling herself to you instead of you selling yourself to her.

The sales-buying process in seduction isn't really set in stone or black-and-white. It isn't a rigid selling and buying or buying and selling frame but rather an interchange or trade.

It's something like (this is not an exact verbal dialogue but rather a precis of both the verbal and nonverbal communication between a man and a woman):

You: I've noticed that you want my cock in your pussy since I've caught you looking at it several times. So, what will you trade for the opportunity to sample my cock? Are you a good cook? Can you hold an intelligent conversation? Do you know muscle control?

Girl: Yes to all of the above.

You: Okay. Let's go to my place and play Snake and Ladders.

In my observation, the common pick up mistake is that most men play the role of women instead of following the course of nature as above. Scientifically in the courtship process, women are the initial selectors; not men. Thus, once you get selected with nonverbal cues from a woman, you should qualify her if she passes your standards and not the other way around.

The reversed gender role frame goes somewhat like this:

Girl: I've noticed that you want your cock in my pussy since I've caught you looking at my boobies, ass and pussy several times. So, what will you trade for the opportunity to bang my pussy? Will you buy me a drink or a diamond ring? Are you going to pamper me with a $100 dinner?

Guy: Yes to all of the above.

Girl: Oh, wait. Hang on for a few weeks. Somebody just gave me a better offer.

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Haha, I love Julien!

Since we have something in common ... I will reward you with content from Julien and Tyler of examples of being the Buyer and not the Seller ... Whether you like it or not ^_^!

Making the girl Invest on You Game

1) Making her react to you by controlling the pace and by asking consecutive questions with out caring for her answer.
- “Who are you and where are you from?”
- Use back hand compliments like, “Listen, you don’t have to keep trying to qualify yourself to me. I already like you.”
- When she starts to qualify herself, interrupt her with a question.
2) Be the buyer and not the seller by evaluating her.
- Say, “Hmmm” and “Interesting” after each responses.
- Say, “I am still evaluating you.”
- Ask her screening questions, “Can you cook?”, “Are you adventures?”
3) Command her to ask you questions.
- “Ask me where I am from.”
- “Ask me what I took in university.”
4) Qualify her, compare her to other people, ask how she became how she is.
- “You are very down to earth. A lot of people are posers. How did you become so down to earth?”
- “Cool you go to school? You must be ambitious person. A lot people don’t even know why they are in school. How did you become so ambitious?”
- “When you were you young what did you wanted to grow up as?”
- “You seem like you don’t judge people. A lot of people are so judgmental. I never judge people! How did you become so sincere?”
- “If the whole world was listening. What would you say?”
5) Push/Pull and Pressure on and Off
- Throw little pushes in your interactions like:
- “Who are you?” The girl responds. You, “Oh, like the dog! How old are you?”
- “Where are you from?” The girl responds. You. “Bitch! How old are you?”
6) Make her qualify for you.
- “Do you think I am shy?”
- “What was your first impression of me?”
- “Do you think I am the type of person who cares of what others think of me?”
7) Act bored.
8 ) Don’t try and just focus on making eye contact.

Most of these are from the Hot Seat 2 of Julien and Tyler's infield ... Plus I threw in my own content and other examples from others to illustrate the Buyer/Seller dynamic ^_^

Enjoy,

Donston

Absolutely, the best method, demonstrating target independent value and initiating the re-active pull

also very hard for the newbie to pull off successfully

I've never heard this referred to as "testosterone showmanship" but i like it, I've coined my own term as "asymmetric social behavior".

^^^I'm not sure I agree that all of that works... and most of it doesn't fit into every guy's personality or frame... however for a lot of guys don't have that to make it work...

All of these are you asking whether you qualify though:

- “Do you think I am shy?”
- “What was your first impression of me?”
- “Do you think I am the type of person who cares of what others think of me?”

The last tip is the worst tip of all... don't try and make eye contact? WTF? That shit is awful that is the biggest key to showing you are confident and building a connection... That shows you as value...

For him to say: Don't be the buyer be the seller with those statements doesn't make sense...

The comparison to sells doesn't go that far to me to reach into the concept of buying or selling... investing or not... Honestly the interaction should be pretty reciprocal... I get her to invest more than I do by simply making her more interested in me... this I suppose is the concept of being the seller however I don't put any effort into that...

With courtship both sides will have to invest in order to escalate to sex... this will never change saying who is the buyer or who is the seller is quite limiting imo...

Too many people don't realize the natural process is a series of qualifications for each other... first by looks then other areas... in fact the very first qualification happens the moment you meet.... where you guys decide whether her looks are good enough and she yours...

I mean when you study sells you realize they buy YOU not the product.... when you are buying you are simply buying her... honestly there isn't a lot of difference in the big picture because sells routines are a series of compliance tests where you lead them to a positive feeling and escalate... that's similar to courtship but very different in a lot of ways too...

The problem is while there are a lot of comparisons to pick up and sells... in fact they relate a lot they still aren't the same and there are key differences. Like the reality is both sides are buying and selling... they are buying you and selling themselves... you are buying them and selling yourself...

The key is when you realize you don't need to sell yourself but you without effort sell yourself because of how and who you are... Don't feel like you're trying out... just be yourself and you won't be results orientated... rather than qualifying... the natural process, attraction, and curiosity will take care of the qualification bull shit for you...

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Did someone mention testosterone?

*PULLS E-BRAKE*

*SKURRRTTT*

Mystery is now referring to his peacocking concept as testosterone showmanship? I'm going to be the first to say that that is a load of crap. He's just trying to sell his shit to you. The most obvious thing that high levels of testosterone does to a man is build lean muscle. If Mystery's peacocking concept was centered around that idea, then yeah I would buy it. However, he's about painting nails black, wearing hats, and other stuff that will get you noticed... but doesn't have anything to do with having high testosterone. We're not peacocks, we're humans.

Whether you want to inject testosterone inside of you or raise it naturally... that's up to you. I'm no one to judge lol.

IDK why I would try to make her qualify me. Number 6 has me confused lol. I definitely do get the concept. With this type of game I seem to be able to make moves the fastest. My concept of this would be something like. (With amazing eye contact)

Me: Hey
If she doesn't acknowledge my "Hey" then she ain't even on the market. Move to the next seller. If she does then...
Her: Hey
Me: You're really cute.
If she walks away then she's not on the market. If she says pretty much anything and stays then I want to buy her.
Her: Thanks
Me: What do you have going for you other than your looks? (As cliche as that fucking sounds... It'd feel so genuine coming out of my mouth. I'm the buyer so sell me something good GURL!)
Her: well blablablablablablabalablalablablabla
So I let her run her mouth until I hear something I genuinely like.
Me: Oh you're wanting to become a lawyer. That's amazing ... I'm FlexBrah.
Stick out my hand as I introduce myself. This is me rewarding her for the good answer she gave. Hell if she gives a really good answer I might kiss her hand too. Everything must be genuine in order for this to work.

And then just shooting the shit from there while keeping in mind that I am the buyer and she's the seller.

Exactly. That's why I prefer the term testosterone showmanship (it's my term, not Mystery's) which covers a broader set of attributes; not just lean muscle. Attributes that indicate a high level of testosterone include voice quality, your swagger, eye contact, competitiveness, body language, a hard cock, aggression, high achievements, and so on and so forth.

While Mystery paints his nails black and wears a big fluffy hat when sarging, I sarge with a hard on or sing GNR's Sweet Child o' Mine on stage at a mall. See the difference?

There's also a mistaken notion that if you have lean muscle then you have high testosterone. It doesn't work that way. You might be very muscular and lean like Vitor Belfort and yet you suffer from low testosterone.

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vitor belfort only suffers from low testosterone in between cycles which means maybe 30 minutes a month

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Viktor looks like shit! Lol. And those are rare cases when a man is not producing adequate enough test so they need to hop on TRT. (Testosterone replacement therapy) For the norm, it doesn't matter how much protein you down and how much weights you lift... if you're not producing an adequate amount of test you won't get that lean muscular look.

But I feel you on what your explanation of testosterone showmanship.

Yep. The dude is a badass.

If you want to know why lean and muscular guys suffer from low testosterone, you might find the low testosterone problem of Alistair Overeem interesting including the hypothesis on why Belfort's T-levels are low, here:

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/2/28/40 ... -levels-in

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1755 ... de-trt-use

Good thread, btw bro. It makes good discussion points for pickup strategies.

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The reason why to not to try is because someone in the interaction has to try. If you are not trying ... the girl will have to try, resulting with the girl investing more.

There will be awkward silence during the interactions. That awkward silence is a form of sexual tension.

Just concentrating on maintaining eye contact stops you from getting in your head and trying to find the perfect line. The girl will see that you are not in your head and she will think that you are super attractive and totally have freedom of out come.

Girls have said, "You are the coolest guy I've meet tonight!"
"Out of all the guys here. You are the only one that is not creepy"
"You are gorgeous!"
"You are handsome!"
"You make me feel good!"

But, I guess I'll let Tyler explain it to you ^_^ because it is kind of hard to believe if you haven't done it before!

How To Use Momentum To Fuel Entitlement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAd2di4yHHM

Muahahaha ... muahahhaha! I don't know why I am laughing in an evil voice O_O!

Word. I know some guys who are in the same situation. When you juice up for your cycle, your test is through the roof. However, in post cycle, your body will not return to it's normal testosterone levels. It will produce less b/c you were injecting an outside source of test... and your body says "Hey! We don't need to produce so much test anymore cause look at how much we have". I know this one idiot who is on a 8 month, and still counting, cycle lol. Yeah he looks swole as fuck right now, but I guarantee you his dick will not work once he stops. (Assuming he stops. He might just keep injecting until he's dead) If he stops he will most likely have all kinds of psychological issues and be suicidal too, b/c his test levels will drop ridiculously low.

All in all... avoid juice if you can lol.

Eat + Sleep + Gym + Bitches = HIGH TESTOSTERONE!!!

A hypothesis is not necessary, they suffer low test because they have been using steroids consistently over many years, most likely without proper post cycle meds.

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IME nothing is more important than eye contact in courtship when escalating.... at least I can't think of anything... not your words, or how you say it.... your eye contact.

Not when it comes to reading people or showing confidence... nothing beats it. Entire books have been dedicated to the subject, studies upon studies, some had people end up in long relationships even married (after a relationship) after 5 minutes of silent eye contact.

Yeah you must make her earn it but there is kind of a fallacy with this concept... this concept is more them approaching you... it doesn't really work otherwise. I mean are you going to walk up to a girl and not make eye contact? It's a beta behavior to avoid eye contact... now if you wrote make her try and get your eye contact after her interest is higher than yours so she'll invest more I could understand your point but even then making eye contact with silence builds more sexual tension then anything that doesn't involve touch and it's the gateway for escalation.

Girls have said all sorts of shit to me too... that has nothing to do with your point to be honest... we aren't talking about shallow compliments we're talking about taking them home and smashing right?

The thing about it is if you are an attractive confident guy your eye contact is not creepy... add a simple genuine smile to support that and your good... no creepiness... just a smile back.

Creepy comes from putting off a creepy vibe... being friendly won't put off a creepy vibe as long as you don't go into her personal intimate space before she is ready. Problem is most guys are socially retarded... saying to avoid eye contact without more to it will create people doing this shit at the wrong time....

In my opinion eye contact is undoubtedly the most influential way to sub-communicate your sexual intentions... so that you can build more sexual tension and get laid more consistently...

IMO it's better to learn to make good eye contact than avoid eye contact until they earn it... when you make strong eye contact you force IOIs and sexual tension... than add a smirk to ease it... My game would blow without eye contact and honestly I don't see how that is going to change... I think this would be better for when the girl approaches you or you know right away she is about to invest more than you by how much attraction exists instantly.

Just my thoughts....

Peace and Love,

Vic

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