Alright, so this defiantly qualifies as a sticking point for me as I have about 50-60 numbers in my phone from girls who have given me their number via online dating or in person. At some point some of the girls said yes to a day 2 or first official date but most of those that did flaked. The few girls that did stopped responding to me after the dates even though I thought one went very well.

So, here I am trying to improve my game.

Brief Overview

I've known about PU artistry for about a year and a half and have been approaching in person and contacting girls online. So far, limited success, not where I want to be. I work out A LOT, I was a personal trainer, I'm tall and good looking and women in general usually find me attractive in that they check me out. I would consider myself an 8 and a 9-10 when I have a hot girl hanging on my arm. I have great confidence and excellent inner game from my ex dumping me and finding out that I can be happy and self reliant. In other words, I attract girls like crazy, but then they lose interest because of whatever I'm doing that I just don't understand yet.

I'm going to post interactions of text and online conversations here and hopefully someone could pinpoint something and say: "HEY, jackass, THAT right there---->Don't do that, girls hate it." Because honestly, I'm lost and can't figure it out and I'm pretty god damn frustrated.

Some examples of ass on online dating...


Me: Hey gorgeous, how's it going?

Her: Hello(: going great cant complain. how about yourself?

Me: Let me ask you something, do you like green eggs and ham or blue eggs and ham?

No response.
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Me: hey gorgeous, how's it going?

Her: Pretty good! Hows your week going?

Me: Great actually, I can't wait to go out with my friends and have fun this weekend! If you're going to seduce me via the internet I need to know some things about you. How many five year olds can you take in a fight?

No response.

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Me:
Hey gorgeous, how's it going?

Her:
Heyy, great just found out my morning class is cancelled tomorrow yay lol How are you?


Me:
I love seeing a girl that actually lifts weights. Let's see... If you're going to seduce me via the internet I need to know at least a few random and useless facts about you. How many five year olds can you take in a fight? I'm guessing 30-40ish.

Her:
I love lifting! I beat my squat PR yesterday... I'm at 185 now

Hmm 5 year olds can get kinda crazy... Let's go with 23? Lol


Me:
I'm impressed.

Good, I like a woman that can squat and woman handle some kids around. Tell me a little more about yourself. I eat paleo and gluten free, that would be so many bonus points if you ate foods like that...

Her:
Lol I'm not totally paleo but close... I eat a lot of fish/chicken, veggies/fruit, nuts, hardly any dairy, obsessed with anything coconut, I don't completely avoid grains and beans though... I like quinoa and sometimes eat SPAM with a scoop of protein powder mmm lol. Do you have Celiac or just decided to be gluten-free for the hell of it?


Her:
Add me on Instagram if you want to see what I eat lol (her user name)


Me:
Nice, I like your diet, especially the coconut, I experiment with it all the time in cooking. I just can't date a girl that "tries" to eat healthy and exercise, I need the real deal.

Give me your phone number and we can continue this conversation offline.

No response.
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Me: Hey there gorgeous, how's it going?

Her: Well hello there good looking! I'm a bit tired but doing well nonetheless. How are you? (sent me pictures of her, very good looking girl)

Me: Quite the opposite of tired actually. I'm just about to go to the gym. Do you like to keep fit and healthy?

No response.

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Me: Hey there gorgeous, how's it going?

Her: How are you!

me: Thus begins the internet seduction process. Alright, go ahead and seduce me, I'm waiting.

Her: haha, you first.

me: Ahh, where to start...take a dump on my chest.

her: ew

Ok this one is a joke, I know why she didn't respond...

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The following are girls that gave me their number either in person or on a dating website and these are the texts...



Me: Hey sexy, this is (myusername) from (dating website). Now that you've got my number tell me your name so I don't save you as a sexy whore. :p (Note: that's what she called herself)

No response.
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Me: Hey Colombiana this is (my name) from bookstore, how's it going?

Her: Hey, my name is Karen btw.

me: Alright Karen, you better not be some crazy old woman that wants to date rape me.

her: Yeah right, I'm the one that should be worried.

me: you should be, after all I'm immune to date rape drugs so you'll just have to seduce me the old fashioned way.

no response
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Me: Hey Cutie, my name is (myname), now tell me yours.

Her: Her name

Her: Nice to meet you, What do you do in (my city)

Me: (Pic of food that I made)

Her: Oh, I make that too! That's my favorite.
(picture of food)
blah blah
blah
Her: Went to such and such place ( more pictures of food)
We should make some together some time.

me: Oh, never been there, what is it. I'd love to make it together with you sometime.

Her: Sounds good, what are you up to today?

Me: Gym and hanging out with friends, and you?

Her: Yes, same here. I'm heading to Christmas party later tonight, excited.

me: Awesome, we should meet for coffee or tea, what does your Christmas week look like?

Her: I'm (away at parents) until the first week of January

me: Alright, you have yourself a very merry christmas.

me(week later): hername!!!

her: who is this??

me: prince charming duh.

her: ?

No response from me, didn't know where I was going with that one and didn't care anymore.

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Anyone? I'm sick of smurfing off to asian ass porn.

Lol I actually thought some of these texts were funny ! My opinion is that I think you may be either creeping them out or you are starting to get boring. Can't be sure though it's possible.

i believe your probllem is inner game, you seem to be gaming alot whereas you should be authentic, women sense your not being real and they discontinue. realize that you're enough and you don't need to always actively game, i found that i dont need to game to have attraction i just need to be real. game and dhvs are opposite of being real, bragging about your big house isn't real interaction thus not a real person, hope this helps

Id like to see what people have to say about this

Visuals represent just a minor percent share in sexually attracting women and keeping their interest up. Since you're already goodlooking and women know it, rubbing the fact in through your cocky and funny lines about women seducing you will just achieve the opposite effect. Instead of amplifying their attraction, you lose it; fast.

I had this chick before whose friends told her that I'm too goodlooking for her. The bad news is that I never got to nail her. Analyzing back my mistake, I rubbed the fact too much that I'm too goodlooking for her. Of course, I didn't joke around about her seducing me nor saying "I'm too handsome for you", it's the attitude that I've projected that killed the attraction. I didn't lack in the sexual innuendo and kino aspects, mind you, so I intrinsically knew it had to be something else.

Now that you know where I'm coming from, let's work on your sticking point.

1. Don't let women know that you know they are seducing you. It kills the excitement. It also puts you in the list of the type of guy to be crossed out for having too much air. If you're not too goodlooking, joking about women seducing you is cocky and funny. But when you have the looks, you're rubbing the obvious in. It's no longer funny and attractive.

Try to act like your looks don't matter with a laid back, devil-may-care vibe. Focus on something else other than your goodlooks. Or maybe even downplay your goodlooks with something cocky and funny, experiment with some lines, like: "Some tv executive saw me at the mall today. He offered me a tv acting job. He said I would really look good acting the part of a Kentucky Fried Chicken mascot. What do you think? Will I look great in a chicken suit?" (Caution: This cocky and funny line is not field tested yet.)

Personally, I found my sticking point to be my less than ordinary job. When girls ask me what I do for a living, I used to say that: "I'm a project manager for an engineering consulting firm." Every time I answered this way, I lost attraction fast. I get comments like, "Braggart," "Liar," and so on and so forth.

Now when chicks ask me what I do for a living, I always answer "Funeral singer" (field tested). It builds attraction fast and works 100% of the time.

Find your own medicine and experiment on what works best on field. If something doesn't work in 10 interactions try a different line for the next 10 interactions. If something works fine 3 out of 10 interactions, then stick with that. You're good if you find something that works 8 times out of 10 interactions.

2. Since you already have the goodlooks, taking the lead makes you look like a player; someone not to be trusted. Try to reverse the vibe and let women take the lead. Find out if that works for you. Some women want to take the lead. If your testosterone showmanship is awesome, you don't even need to build trust. Your goodlooks plus your high testosterone could give you the goods if you reversed your vibe for certain types of women.

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Here are my two essential rules on texting that will save you tons of time and money:

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alright I'm a master of online dating so I'll give you a handful of some of my top secret tips:

0.) Before you even begin gaming girls online (which is why this is step 0) you need a profile that works. I had to do trial and error for 6 years to discover this. And this requires three steps to be taken--1, make sure it is on a dating site that works well for you. I know what dating site is the best in general, but many pick up artists dont think its the best, and somehow the others are working better for them. So my advice is to create a few profiles and use them equally at first, but then learn which ones work best for you. 2. You must have a strong profile on that site, when it comes to the words you use. There are different types that work: The sarcastic asshole (this is a profile where you say things that arent true about yourself, as if you are a sarcastic asshole, I dont recommend it). The "Hero Profile" This is where you try to make yourself seem like the ideal man. I also dont recommend that unless you actually are, like me. And even if you are, your going to deal with the problem that people like me deal with: coming off like creeps...why? Because the perfect men are actually creepers - nerds, people who are overly intellectual or psychological, people who are very romantic prince charming types, people who are huge into self help, etc.... All these types of people can easily be percieved as creepy...especially when being met on an online dating site and engaging in those conversations that can be easily misread. And so finally, the type of profile I do recommend is: The fun playful humorous one. This type of profile just shows that you are a really fun cool guy. You display SOME higher value, but not so much that they think you are cocky, or too good for them, or possibly an over psychological creeper like me, haha. Just show yourself to be a very exciting, engaging guy! And lastly, step 3: You absolutely must have the best possible photos up! And I mean the best possible! Now this doesnt mean have photos of you with other women on your dating site, like you need to on your facebook (but make sure you do on your facebook.) I am an ex gangster so I used to not let any pictures be taken of me (so I couldnt be easily identified)...so Ive had to really force myself to start remembering to take pictures of myself and others when I am out rather than getting "Locked in" and "in the zone" as I do. But I finally got some up of me and other girls on my facebook, and thats soo important. You can however, on both your facebook and your dating profiles, have pictures of you with groups of people living it up. And above all, I recommend some professional shots. The women might not even notice they are professionally done (dont have them portrait style...have them being done in the real world by a real artistic photographer who knows how to really set up a real world photo shoot)...but they will make you seem very glamorous. Kind of like some of the women you will encounter on these sites who are actually models...and you see their pictures and may not realize at first that they look SOOOO good because teh shots are professionally done....well, let me tell you, having some professional photos up of you is literally priceless. The amount you pay your photographer to have that effect on the women who see your picture is a miniscule investment compared to the reward of having women react so favorably...which they will...(if the words in your profile are worded properly.

Ok So now that you have properly set up your profile and on a couple different sites your going to experiment with, we can get into the actual steps for online gaming:

1.) Figure out a routine and stick to it. Your emails and text messages are all very situational. And sometimes youll make some good remarks, but obviously they are not calibrated well enough to your situation. You are sometimes being flirty when obviously teh woman is not having it yet, which could be a problem with how your interaction went up until that point, but we dont know how it went. And you make some jokes that dont take either, even though they are funny, who knows why they dont take. And sometimes you come on a little strong when they arent ready. My suggestion is to build routines for different situations, for instance, I have a online dating routine, a bar routine, a daytime routine, a date routine, etc. Stick to the routine for the most part, and when she gives you cues in other directions, go in those directions then. Dont take her places she hasnt indicated being ready to go yet. YOur routine should be engaging in a number of ways that allow it to branch out in those directions of its own accord.

2.) Dont small talk in email or text. No asking how their day is going, etc.

3.) Text messaging should be used to do a couple things A) Create a hook point (with a joke or something flirty (mildly). B) Escalate the conversation in those directions. And C) Date Close.
Make it plainly clear that you do not engage in conversations over text. You elicit interest, escalate interest, and then go for the date. Your texting should be scarce showing you have an abundant lifestyle, and you should only be "touching base" with her once or twice a week to re-elicit interest, and try to get her out on a date. If she is hard to get on a date offer to meet up with her while your both out with friends.

4.) Dont ask for the phone number too soon online dating. Make sure your routine follows a linear progression which ends with you asking for the number. Dont just make small talk and then ask for it. You need to have engaged her interest, and then just started to go into comfort and deep rapport mode, and then get her number.

5.) Get her number as if it was about to happen. Dont say "why dont you give me your n umber", because your asking her to give you a reason why not to, literally. Say something like "man well it looks like weve gotten pretty engaged in this conversation, I'm not sure I can even type as much as this would take! Gimme your number and I'll text you sometime when i have a free moment." or "looks like were pretty involved here, haha, some of these subjects I can really only address verbally! just gimme your number and I'll see if i can text you sometime later this week." These are very strong closes. I have literally not had a single girl say no, and the one who did say no was an insecure 19 year old with an attitude problem who I had gone back and forth with 40 times, so I knew I could and had to close then and there, so when she protested I just kept acting like the number close was going to happen anyways and we couldnt keep talking over text and she caved.

6.) Have an online dating routine that starts strong on its own, and after women have replied, not only do you allow it to take its own direction via her cues, but use the information in her profile to properly calibrate. I'm not talking about her interests. Dont even bother talking to her about interests, everyone does that. I mean like her astrological sign, and the kind of personality she seems to have based on her profile. After locking her in, do some calibrating to her personality, then your number close will come soon and be strong...as will every other close. Seeing her astrological sign, and the type of personality she portrays herself as having is a powerful tool my friend. And when you tell her things like: "you seem very ___________" She will say "yes! I am! thank you for noticing." And then you have rapport.

7.) Dont build comfort before attraction. I'm sure you know this.

8.) Dont invest hardly any time or energy emailing or texting women you have not met in person. Investments of time and energy in women must be made in person, after they have engaged with and invested themselves in you a little.

9.) Dont be too jokey or flirty. These things are important for attraction and engaging interest and hooking. But know when to be serious. I was talking to a beautiful girl I had met online the toher night being soooo jokey and flirty, saying things that should have been hitting home...but werent....turns out she just found out her uncle has terminal cancer....time to RECALIBRATE! Time for Mr Heartfelt and Sensitive. Always be calibrating.

10.) have one or two days a week when you email women on online dating sites, and 1-2 days a week where you text the women youve met and gotten the numbers of. No more. Tehy should be well spaced apart.

11.) Most all of your texts should be pre-recorded by you. Texting should just be another routine. Dont just wing it and be making stuff up on the spot for each girl. Go with reliable material.

And finally 12.) Email and text messaging have no tone of voice, or facial expressions, mannerisms, body language...this leads to lots of misinterpretation. So when your being any kind of way over tehse forms of communication...you could easily be perceived as TOO MUCH that way! Walk a fine line. Balance out the characteristics and traits you display. And DONT TAKE ANY RISKS! again, NO RISKS! Meeting women online, or first meeting women and moving to text message are the easiest ways to get misinterpreted as a creep. So before sending a message...look at it through her eyes....and say to yourself, what are the possible ways she could interpret this? There have been plenty of instances I have thought up a text message to send a girl and then looked at how she might interpret it and decided to go with something less risky, and since beginning to practice that I have had so many less fruits die on the vine.

Also, heres a bonus tip. Someone on a forum once said that in person game doesnt transfer directly into online dating....and thats true, because being too flirty or confident or alpha gets misinterpreted as being an internet perv, etc....but surprisingly some general techniques do transfer into online dating. The routine I have for online dating is actually one that is used in person too, just very simplified and middle of the road.

Good luck! and let me know if you have any questions!

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