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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:25 pm 
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OP I'm going through a similar stage.

I'm approaching 9 months with my GF now (I think!) and we are both thinking long term (love/kid names etc :lol: )

I'm really REALLY digging her; she is both sexually and mentally attractive.

I am also an over thinker, but I realize it only really affects me in my part time job (low skilled repetitive work)... so get your mind active. Exercise, learn a language, learn an instrument, drink, smoke, go to the cinema...anything like this when you're not with her (the first three will also improve you as a person whether that is with her in the long term or not).

I would say me and her are 'comfortable' now...but to be honest I don't want this stage to be like that forever and stagnate... I wanna keep things like the initial 6 months too.

I gotta keep an eye on this thread. You're not alone OP!


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Ya know, my current GF, actually of 9 months, had zero long term experience. After a month or two she sincerely told that she has those butterflies and hot feelings and do not want to miss them in the future.

I said "Honey, it's natural we both will change our feelings. They will not go away - they will evolve and will grow into more mature feelings, not worse than those we have nowm but actually better". Now as 9 months have passed, it's true that feelings had changed and we both agree - for the best.


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First off I would like to thank the PUA community for their contributions to this thread so far! Secondly here is a quick update.

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After reading through the advice contributed by the community, the general vibe I received was that I am over thinking! Every relationship starts off with a burst of attraction and depending on the couple the nature of that relationship can either develop or sputter out.

Concerning my worries about texting. Naturally as time goes on we won't text each other quite as often as we did at the initial attraction stage, however we do text each other back and forth a decent amount. (1-2 long conversations in the afternoon and then a long conversation at night).

I think at this stage my relationship is "stable" however I would like to maintain high attraction and interest! I've been looking through quite a couple PUA blogs concerning long term relationships and I've gotten some good material so far that I'll probably post about in a couple of hours! (Keep watching this thread ;)

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Make yourself less available, freeze her out. C'mon man, you are acting AFC right now! Snap out of it!!! Basically the reason you are constantly are worried about when she texts is because you are wondering if she is with someone else. Trust me, I know from experience. Don't worry about it, the more you force yourself on her, the more she will push away. Try hooking up with some other girls to give you some perspective on that particular relationship, maybe you just got used to the idea of her. GFTOW and I guarantee she'll be trying to monopolize your attention.
While I wouldn't actually "hook up" with another girl as this is a more serious relationship, I would like to highlight something that you said "Make yourself less available". In my opinion this seems like good advice as I should be the one calling the shots and controlling the flow of communication. Any thoughts on this?
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Definetly not. It never ends up in your favor over time. What you can possibly do, if you want more texts from her, is use a combination of NLP tactics and verbal ju-jitsu in a creative pattern that subconsciously embeds the values of open and timely communication.
"Verbal ju-jitsu", I'm going to have to remember that one. It's rather amusing. Good stuff.
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OP I'm going through a similar stage.

I'm approaching 9 months with my GF now (I think!) and we are both thinking long term (love/kid names etc Laughing )

I'm really REALLY digging her; she is both sexually and mentally attractive.

I am also an over thinker, but I realize it only really affects me in my part time job (low skilled repetitive work)... so get your mind active. Exercise, learn a language, learn an instrument, drink, smoke, go to the cinema...anything like this when you're not with her (the first three will also improve you as a person whether that is with her in the long term or not).

I would say me and her are 'comfortable' now...but to be honest I don't want this stage to be like that forever and stagnate... I wanna keep things like the initial 6 months too.

I gotta keep an eye on this thread. You're not alone OP!

It's great to hear that you are in such a loving long-term relationship! It's also great to hear that you also wonder about similar things to me. I definitely am working on being active and being my own person because honestly that's what attracted her in the first place! Do you currently live together?
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Ya know, my current GF, actually of 9 months, had zero long term experience. After a month or two she sincerely told that she has those butterflies and hot feelings and do not want to miss them in the future. I said "Honey, it's natural we both will change our feelings. They will not go away - they will evolve and will grow into more mature feelings, not worse than those we have now but actually better". Now as 9 months have passed, it's true that feelings had changed and we both agree - for the best.
Very wise. The girl I am dating does not have any long-term relationship experience either so I guess she's still learning.

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Double Post!
Does anyone have any good advice on maintaining attraction and interest during long term relationships? Resources are also welcome! (Books, blogs, etc...)

Interesting date ideas? Post about one date which you thought was particularly special. Why was it special? What did you do?


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Update
For those of who are following this thread here is a quick update on my situation. Now I know that previously I mentioned that it's possibly quite natural that couples don't text as much as they originally did in the initial attraction stage a couple months into the relationship however I would like to know if my situation is "normal".

I thought I got over this problem but perhaps not. Recently I've noticed that IF I send my girlfriend a text early in the morning 10 or 11 AM I don't get a reply until perhaps 7-8 in the evening. Now my problem with this is that I see her on Facebook chatting with her friends with and talking about hanging with people during the day yet she does not bother to text me.

How should I react to this? Should I just ignore her texts at night and text her again in the morning? If she ignores my texts in the morning again then perhaps I just continue ignoring her texts at night? Is this a good solution? I thought that communication was quite vital to relationships so it would like I would be stifling any potential progress by doing this. Should I confront her about this? In my opinion it's quite rude to just ignore a text.

Part of the reason that she might be freezing out on me is due to the fact that we have not seen each other for almost two weeks due to the fact that I am currently traveling but I will be back in town in about two days.

Any advice would help thanks!


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I thought I got over this problem but perhaps not. Recently I've noticed that IF I send my girlfriend a text early in the morning 10 or 11 AM I don't get a reply until perhaps 7-8 in the evening. Now my problem with this is that I see her on Facebook chatting with her friends with and talking about hanging with people during the day yet she does not bother to text me.
I usually get a reply from my GF within a couple of hours
First thing ... is this girl into texting AT ALL? Meaning, would she text her friends and reply to texts from them at a more reasonable speed? If so, then either she does not care to text with you, or maybe early on in the relationship you somehow discouraged her from frequent texting, and she thinks she is making you happy.
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How should I react to this? Should I just ignore her texts at night and text her again in the morning? If she ignores my texts in the morning again then perhaps I just continue ignoring her texts at night? Is this a good solution? I thought that communication was quite vital to relationships so it would like I would be stifling any potential progress by doing this. Should I confront her about this? In my opinion it's quite rude to just ignore a text.
If your text says something meaningful and worth an answer (e.g. "what time are you done with work? want me to pick you up?" / "still sick? want me to come over?") then it's very rude indeed. if your text just says "good morning honey love u" then she might think you do not really want an answer.
what I would do is ignore her texts. she texts, you do not text back. and do not text her. she will eventually reach out and ask why. at that point, feel free to say "honey I think it's very rude that you never text me back for hours and hours. and so I stopped texting you because it's pointless. I cannot be bothered writing a text to you if you won't be bothered to read it and text back."
don't get mad. don't shout. don't whine. just fairly state your point.
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Part of the reason that she might be freezing out on me is due to the fact that we have not seen each other for almost two weeks due to the fact that I am currently traveling but I will be back in town in about two days.
why would she freeze you out for that? I would expect she would miss you and be eager for any chance of staying in touch with you.

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I usually get a reply from my GF within a couple of hours
First thing ... is this girl into texting AT ALL? Meaning, would she text her friends and reply to texts from them at a more reasonable speed? If so, then either she does not care to text with you, or maybe early on in the relationship you somehow discouraged her from frequent texting, and she thinks she is making you happy.
Usually yes. As you can imagine like most women she is tied to her phone. I do not believe I have discouraged her from texting me at any point in the relationship, it just so happens that recently she hasn't been texting me back as often.
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If your text says something meaningful and worth an answer (e.g. "what time are you done with work? want me to pick you up?" / "still sick? want me to come over?") then it's very rude indeed. if your text just says "good morning honey love u" then she might think you do not really want an answer.
what I would do is ignore her texts. she texts, you do not text back. and do not text her. she will eventually reach out and ask why. at that point, feel free to say "honey I think it's very rude that you never text me back for hours and hours. and so I stopped texting you because it's pointless. I cannot be bothered writing a text to you if you won't be bothered to read it and text back."
don't get mad. don't shout. don't whine. just fairly state your point.
Does my text say something meaningful? No it's more or less a conversation starter, something that happened during my day that I share with her in order to make her feel integrated into my daily life. Usually it's something humorous

She just texted me back (six hours after my original text) and didn't even make it seem like she read my text she just said "no one wants to go to white water with me :(". Should I reply? What should I say? Or should I take your suggestion and not reply until she asks if something's wrong? I feel like it would be a bit AFC of me to bring up the point that she isn't texting me back.
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why would she freeze you out for that? I would expect she would miss you and be eager for any chance of staying in touch with you.
At the start of the trip yes she was quite eager but I feel like the attraction is slightly waning due to the fact that we haven't seen each other. I guess this is slightly counter-intuitive. Perhaps I am over-thinking?


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To me it looks like she is sharing her day with you. Since you do the same and she ignores you, do the same: ignore her.

If she thinks this kind of behavior is acceptable, then she will be fine with it.
Otherwise, she will come out and complain. And then you can complain back. And change the rules to your rules.

It's AFC if you whine about it. But you will not. You will very politely and calmly state what you expect. And lead the relationship where you want it to go. That is alpha.
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At the start of the trip yes she was quite eager but I feel like the attraction is slightly waning due to the fact that we haven't seen each other. I guess this is slightly counter-intuitive. Perhaps I am over-thinking?
how long have you guys been together for? if you have to worry that your GF is forgetting you after you're away for 2 weeks, this relationship does not seem very solid.

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To me it looks like she is sharing her day with you. Since you do the same and she ignores you, do the same: ignore her.

If she thinks this kind of behavior is acceptable, then she will be fine with it.
Otherwise, she will come out and complain. And then you can complain back. And change the rules to your rules.
I would completely agree with your advice however knowing her she will probably text me later tonight about 10:00 PM (If I ignore her) and say something like "So I'm reading this book, it's not what I expected but it's quite good". Something nonchalant and ignore the the fact that I did not text her back. Therefore the problem never comes to light! Should I text her back then? What do you suggest?
It seems like nowadays our routine is a couple text during the day, sometimes no answer, and then a conversation at night. Is this normal?
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It's AFC if you whine about it. But you will not. You will very politely and calmly state what you expect. And lead the relationship where you want it to go. That is alpha.
So what would I say? I don't appreciate the fact that you don't respond to my texts? Or I don't appreciate the fact that you don't respond to my texts and text me back six hours later. Still seems a bit AFC. :/

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how long have you guys been together for? if you have to worry that your GF is forgetting you after you're away for 2 weeks, this relationship does not seem very solid.
Good observation, we have only been together for two months now. A little bit over two months. Does this fact change the way I should approach things?


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It seems like nowadays our routine is a couple text during the day, sometimes no answer, and then a conversation at night. Is this normal?
it makes sense. the problem is the "no answer". the fact that you exchange a few texts during the day and then chat over the phone at night is not weird. you don't wanna overdo it. so, unless there is a convo going on, a few texts to touch base with each other are perfectly normal. but I would expect she'd text you back. and so would you.
her not texting back and just saying her own thing hours later would be perfect if it made you comfortable. but it does not, since you are here complaining about it.
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So what would I say? I don't appreciate the fact that you don't respond to my texts? Or I don't appreciate the fact that you don't respond to my texts and text me back six hours later. Still seems a bit AFC. :/
to me it seems like expressing a legitimate concern about your significant other's behavior. "Honey, I am not texting back because it seems a waste of my time. You never acknowledge anything I text you. So I do not see the point in trying to start a conversation."
you are in a relationship now. it means you can still be a needy whiny AFC, but you have room for expressing concerns, and having desires, and leading your relationship in the direction you want. plus, if the chick is into you, some amount of beta backsliding is allowed. stop worrying about "being AFC" and start worrying about having a sound solid relationship ;)
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Good observation, we have only been together for two months now. A little bit over two months. Does this fact change the way I should approach things?
two months since the exclusivity talk or two months since your first date?
in my experience, the first months are the adjustment period, in which pretty much you and her are figuring out each other, your personal boundaries, and seeing what makes the other person uncomfortable. it's good that this phase is also the "honeymoon" phase, which means you tend to see the other person with rose-colored glasses. I think many more breakups would occur otherwise.
in about a year, the two of you will pretty much be comfortable around each other, have fought a few times, or a lot of times, and will know each other much better. don't over-think things now. but if something does not work, speak out.

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Quick note: When I said a couple of texts during the day and a conversation at night - the conversation at night is over text. We actually don't talk over the phone. I think this is due to the fact that her room is very close to the rest of her family's sleeping quarters however I can't be sure if this is the real reason why.

What should I do about tonight? Should I wait to see if she texts me again? Or should I reply now? If she texts me later tonight would it be best to just initiate an interesting conversation and build attraction or bring up the problem?

Concerning your question, this is the first two months since we agreed to start exclusively dating one another. Before that we obviously were attracted to one another but neither one would admit it.

Sorry about the confusing format this was typed from my iPhone ;)


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if it were me, I would not reply.

wait for her to initiate the night convo, and briefly reply to that, but be soon on your way. and do not text her at all tomorrow morning.

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Edit: I guess wait for a text tomorrow if she doesn't text me tonight?
Thanks! Great advice in my opinion! Glad you are keeping an eye on this thread ;)


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Edit: I guess wait for a text tomorrow if she doesn't text me tonight?
exactly :wink:
I will stop keeping an eye on threads quite soon (out of the weekend) so do your thing and keep us posted :wink:

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