Wow dude thats all the old thinking or as it's called "bro-science".


First of all it is ALL ABOUT CALORIES and macros.


Yes you can eat whatever as long as you don't cross your maintenance calorie you won't gain weight.

The idea with carbs being bad/makes you fat is false.

Excess calorie makes you fat/bulk.
Deficit = loose weight.(asumming your only cutting like 10%) or so.



And as far as supplement you don't need them. They are nice but not needed.

For a skinny guy your best supplement is food.
They have a saying in the bb community "if your not growing your not eating enough"


For the people that wants to loose weight. Be on a calorie deficit of 10% of maintainance. And maintain adequate protein intake.




And more points to know.
Figure out you macros(protein/carb/fat intake) and eat anything that fits there.
Nutrition intake timing is irrelevant.
Protein shake is not needed if youre able to meet your protein intake requirent.
Get a solid program-don't make your own. Unless your a pro in which case you know your shit already.

Any question do ask.
This info is straight from bodybuilding.com so if you want Proff it's easy to find.

Ps. I'm not going for the bb look. However their information is legit and without them I would not have been able to get bulkier.

All of that sounds simple, like telling a dude go to a girl escalate and fuck her, nobody sits there and count calories, that is why whoever is reading just follow the method in body for life the protein and the good carbs should be the size of your fist, salad whatever you want in at least a meal, and good fats in another...

More advice for the guys who want to get bigger? (not to lose weight)

I worked out for about 5 months...almost every fucking day. Used creatine and mass gainer, gained 7kg but when I stopped taking creatine I lost 3kg.

I see the results but I want to get much more bigger (but not fat). Any tips?

And what is testosterone boosters...are they safe?

More advice for the guys who want to get bigger? (not to lose weight)

I worked out for about 5 months...almost every fucking day. Used creatine and mass gainer, gained 7kg but when I stopped taking creatine I lost 3kg.

I see the results but I want to get much more bigger (but not fat). Any tips?

And what is testosterone boosters...are they safe?

You are a gym rat. Not everybody is. My comments were made for people who dont want to live at the gym but are trying to lose weight by doing half hour cardio 4 or 5 times a week.

It wont do them a damn bit of good if they dont watch calories. Dont say claroies are not important, science is as clear as a bell on that.

With all the fancy diets in the world, it still comes down to one thing. eating less.

Now in your case, if you are a body builder, thats a different thing all together. Muscle does burn calories.

And bodybuilders generally eat more way more than regular people.

But again, some people just want to lose weight, they are not interested in being body builders.

Not a gym rat, and if you read i clearly say NOT TO GET THE BODYBUILDER LOOK, if you want to become attractive, losing weight is not attractive, losing weight and gaining muscle is attractive...

Fun thread...I think it's best to start out eating clean and doing simple workouts in the first three months just to condition yourself to a better lifestyle. I have not read the diets skills posted but if they are healthy and provide an adequate amount of nutrients, then you are set. Afterwards it would be better to analyze your diet and body in order to alter it to your needs the way Lode does. It is worth it, it's your life after all.

Macros play an important part in the beginning in order to control your bodyweight and fat loss, muscle building rations. It's an important skill that will help your short term and long term goals. You gotta remember, most bodybuilders and trainers just care about achieving your fitness goals as efficiently as possible. They won't delve deep into macro nutrients if they achieve their goals, feel good, and feel as they have a good enough or healthy diet. I've used Bill star's 5x5 intermediate program for a couple of months. It's popular but he even states that you will get good results even if your diet ain't great. He's so focused on lifting heavy and becoming huge and lean that long term goals for health seem irrelevant.


A lot of bro science comes into play when discussing how to be big and shredded because that's the goal they are after and will focus on. All of this atkins, SPAM, etc. diets mostly focus on that same goal and that's why macro nutrients become important there. However, if you want to be the healthiest you can be then you have to dig deeper and look at the bigger picture.

Also, regarding the difficulty of counting calories. Yes, it may not be as difficult to do but it sounds difficult and when people imagine doing a lot of work before they actually try it, they will just avoid it. It's a psychological effect. The more you think about it, the more work it seems to be and the more you will likely procrastinate. It's the same with pick up. Guys don't hit on HB9-10 every couple of night because they imagine it's difficult, they may fail, etc. so they avoid it.

This is why I recommend breaking things down and doing what's simple and good enough first, then everything else will be much easier since you've already made a lifestyle change.

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Lode, I'm really interested in a raw food diet. I want to first detoxify my body and was thinking of trying that sticky thread in the naturals subforum for 10 days, which consists of veggies, fruits and some nuts I believe, but afterwards I want to make a lifestyle change in order to improve my mood and my overall being. So, is there any books or websites you recommend for me and others to look deeper into this? I'm not sure if you have a main thread discussing that diet, but I really want to stop eating unhealthy food that seems to be everywhere I go. I will also work to adjust the diet to my fitness and bodybuilding needs.

Well yes, most people lose more water and muscle on a diet and not that much fat.

But For myself, I have not seen results by trying to build.maintain muscle and burn fat. Every week I step on the scale the weight is the same or higher.

I realize muscle is heavier than fat, but if your 25-30 pounds overweight, which I have been at some points, and you dont see any movement on the scale it doesnt do much for you.

The one time I lost 25 pounds, I did it by watching carbs, but like most diets, they are hard to stay on for a lifetime.

I have done that before, Im not a body builder and dont want to be one, but buidling muscle takes alot of hard work and pain, and I didnt notice any improvement in my clothes or anything else.

I think u need to do all three together to lose fat and gain muscle.

Most of us have time to do two of the three, eat right and exercise. gotta watch the calores and the scale.