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I met this HB7 (HB8 for intelligence and style imo) who I used to know kind of
We saw each other on a irregular basis, knew each others names - that's it and was about 7-8 years ago.

I went to the store she was working at and after a while she asked me in amazement "Do we know each other" Me: "Yeah, blablablah..."
It was around closing-time and she asked me out on an instant coffee-date. We talked with each other for about 10 minutes and she asked ME for my cell. We continued talking, but I didn't really game her - some DHV stories, I performed the "torn-napkin" magic trick b/c she told me that she was a very rational kind of person yahdahya... some IOIs here and there (playing with her hair, maintained good eye contact, some laughs...)

In total we talked about for an hour, never went out of topics but I wasn't able to kino b/c of bad seating.
I left after about an hour b/c of a false time-constraint.
When we were about to leave she actually wanted to pay for the both of us, I just dropped my part of the bill into her purse. IdK whether it was a good or bad move. I just felt that way.

I first texted her the day after and opened with the "Stop!"
(she responded VERY slowly) She didn't respond after the initial 3-4 texts. She reinitiated two days later and asked me whether I'm at the annual art/music festival in our town and asked me for my landline. Gave it to her and she should just call me, what she did the same day.

She told me that she had to work at that time and asked me whether or not I would drop by - I kept things vague, kept things short and talked for about 8-10 minutes.

No texts for 3 days untill the festival.

On that day I went to the place she was working at and stayed for like 15 minutes, got a drink but we weren't able to talk etc. She suggested to talk on the phone some time later and wished me goodbye in a somewhat sad tone.
20 minutes after I went she texted me sort of: "Nice of you dropping by, too bad I have to stay, maybe next time.... "

I called her the day after (two days ago) around 9pm - she didn't pick up - texted her in return "Hey, hope you didn't have to work for too long and slept well. See you around, Love* XYZ"
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* : German: Love = Liebe Grüße in letters = colloquial way of ending a text/letter
Again, no response from her. Freeze out? Am I already in LJBF-land?
It is just annoying that she's so slow with her responses and I think I haven't built up enough rapport.
What to do now?

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A freeze out isnt going to work if a chick is showing that much disinterest, but you should try anyway, just dont expect any results.

Your main mistake is trying too hard and seeming needy. I would never, ever advise stopping by a chicks workplace to "hang out" its showing low value, at least until after you had sex.

Next time try just getting her number and occasionally texting showing exciting lifestyle/high value while working to isolate her on a meet up/date as soon as feasible. The other fluffing you are doing is working against you and killing attraction.

also unless that love you stuff was completely tongue and cheek an in context that was ridiculous.

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and I think I haven't built up enough rapport.
probably one of the top 3 afc misconceptions, lack of rapport has nothing to do with your problem, its lack of attraction that's the issue


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Your main mistake is trying too hard and seeming needy. I would never, ever advise stopping by a chicks workplace to "hang out"
I didn't know that she was working there beforehand. I asked one of her colleagues whether they sell plain white scarfs/cloth that I can paint on/redesign and sell at a higher value.
I showed her some examples, she offerd me to put them on consignment (the store is selling them for me but collects a fee), and showed the picture to HB7 and that started the whole conversation, her "Don't I know you from somewhere?" and the subsequent coffee-date etc.

So I wasn't hanging around, I hat a legit reason - I think it was even a DHV. Not everyone is a creative person.
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also unless that love you stuff was completely tongue and cheek an in context that was ridiculous.
That's a misconception: It is quite difficult to translate it into English properly with the right meaning - It is just a tad less formal than "Regards, ...." It is something you can write to almost anyone you know.

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Update: Called her yesterday, got a Day2 but I'm expecting a flake.

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Hey guys,

I met this HB7 (HB8 for intelligence and style imo) who I used to know kind of
We saw each other on a irregular basis, knew each others names - that's it and was about 7-8 years ago.

I went to the store she was working at and after a while she asked me in amazement "Do we know each other" Me: "Yeah, blablablah..."
It was around closing-time and she asked me out on an instant coffee-date. We talked with each other for about 10 minutes and she asked ME for my cell. We continued talking, but I didn't really game her - some DHV stories, I performed the "torn-napkin" magic trick b/c she told me that she was a very rational kind of person yahdahya... some IOIs here and there (playing with her hair, maintained good eye contact, some laughs...)

In total we talked about for an hour, never went out of topics but I wasn't able to kino b/c of bad seating.
I left after about an hour b/c of a false time-constraint.
When we were about to leave she actually wanted to pay for the both of us, I just dropped my part of the bill into her purse. IdK whether it was a good or bad move. I just felt that way.

I first texted her the day after and opened with the "Stop!"
(she responded VERY slowly) She didn't respond after the initial 3-4 texts. She reinitiated two days later and asked me whether I'm at the annual art/music festival in our town and asked me for my landline. Gave it to her and she should just call me, what she did the same day.

She told me that she had to work at that time and asked me whether or not I would drop by - I kept things vague, kept things short and talked for about 8-10 minutes.

No texts for 3 days untill the festival.

On that day I went to the place she was working at and stayed for like 15 minutes, got a drink but we weren't able to talk etc. She suggested to talk on the phone some time later and wished me goodbye in a somewhat sad tone.
20 minutes after I went she texted me sort of: "Nice of you dropping by, too bad I have to stay, maybe next time.... "

I called her the day after (two days ago) around 9pm - she didn't pick up - texted her in return "Hey, hope you didn't have to work for too long and slept well. See you around, Love* XYZ"
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* : German: Love = Liebe Grüße in letters = colloquial way of ending a text/letter
Again, no response from her. Freeze out? Am I already in LJBF-land?
It is just annoying that she's so slow with her responses and I think I haven't built up enough rapport.
What to do now?
Hey mate, great stuff on the dates.

There only seems to be one rift in the community, that's the phone game topic. Some people say when you get flaked once, move on. Others are under the view that you just keep going until it's blatant she isn't going to come out, i.e. bf or direct comment - there is an art to this however.

You'll want to do as the previous poster mentioned, txt her once a week about social situations that reminded you of her. A good tip for txting that I learned from Mystery. A PUA is always the exception to the rule - this applies in phone game too!
If this girl is a girl of high value then you need to face the facts, she has been txt/called to come out a shit ton! You will not be the only guy that is txting her today. Talk about things that no AFC will txt her about. Another tip, never engage on the phone about logical conversations, you gotta trigger emotion, constantly. My view is, that if you perservere and txt/reply in ways that seem like you could really care less if you meet up or not, then you WILL get that date.

After a lack of response freeze it and try again.

As for your dates with her, Good stuff on the IOI's. Seriously though bro, after your third IOI, that's IT! Start the Kino.. however small it is fucking do it! I dont give a shit if she's behind a glass wall you figure out how to do it. If you get to 7+ IOI's and haven't started kino - shit gets tougher. Brush up on a few kino routines if you have too. It's not too late, but next time you see her, if you don't start Kino immediately after her third IOI. You're headed to the friend zone, my friend.

I totally get your language love ending, as I went out with a Brazilian girl and she used to sign her txts with a similar word and xx's. Refer to breaking the normal and doing something different, my advice would be, don't do it.

Advancing through the game is not about what you say, but who is saying it. Bring on the mindframe that you are a man of high value with plenty of options. This should be the roots of the tree that your branches stem from, every txt will re-iterate how solid and grounded you are, as that person.

As for her paying I find that an interesting point, and I would like to hear others feedback on that. From my best experiences, you want to always be lightly joking about how she will be paying for you based on how lucky she is (not in those words), but in practise you were just joking and she can 'owe' you next time. Never pay for her until you've had sex and shes given her replication value to you, but I like your move, paying for yourself.

When you meet with her next. Focus on the micro calibrations and just go from there. It's going to matter about 5-10% what you say, and 90-95% how you micro-calibrate. When you tell a story, say something or do anything, look at how she reacts (unconsciously) if she smiles or maintains eye contact, or gives some form of IOI, respond with positive body language (an IOI back). These things are tiny and will only be picked up by her unconsciously. Always expose your neck, keep your shoulders back and smile at appropriate times, find the smallest things to smile about.

Remember a smile comes from your eyes, woman will pick up a 'faked' smile.

An example of micro-calibration. I took a female friend HB7 to the casino last night, with 2 other guy friends. After a small gamble I took them to the restaurant and ordered two bowls of fries and drinks to nibble on for us all (I had won). The HB is clearly attracted to me (as well as my friends) and had been giving me positive IOI's all night. After ordering and seating I noticed the babe had her legs crossed so the open side was facing me(she was sitting next to me). When I came back from the bathroom she had switched the side her legs were crossed to my other friend. So I physically told her to uncross her legs as it was badluck in the casino and we were here to win. She uncrossed them and unconsciously crossed them open-side to me 1 minute later. She was no focused on me and giving me other IOI's again. As soon as she started giving me positive body language back I faced her more with my body and spoke to her slightly more than my two friends.

If other people engage you and her in the set and she is focused on them when they are speaking, respond with negative body language and positive verbal communication, interject when possible and as soon as their attention is back on you, re-face them and micro-calibrate positively.

Others will no doubt join your set with her, make sure that you speak loudly and to everyone in the set with eye-contact going between them all. Give slightly more eye contact to the people who are unconsciously responding with negative body language to pull them back into your reality. Never lose one person in your set.

When you see her, order for her and take charge of her world.

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A freeze out isnt going to work if a chick is showing that much disinterest, but you should try anyway, just dont expect any results.

Your main mistake is trying too hard and seeming needy. I would never, ever advise stopping by a chicks workplace to "hang out" its showing low value, at least until after you had sex.

Next time try just getting her number and occasionally texting showing exciting lifestyle/high value while working to isolate her on a meet up/date as soon as feasible. The other fluffing you are doing is working against you and killing attraction.

also unless that love you stuff was completely tongue and cheek an in context that was ridiculous.

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probably one of the top 3 afc misconceptions, lack of rapport has nothing to do with your problem, its lack of attraction that's the issue
Agreed. I personally would do a freeze-out until she contacted. I think going to her place of work for 15mins was a baad idea. Especially if you didn't talk. That might have seemed creepy and weird. As mentioned low value too.




Did she flake?

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I think going to her place of work for 15mins was a baad idea. Especially if you didn't talk. That might have seemed creepy and weird. As mentioned low value too.
She mentioned it before and she kinda liked it that I had dropped by. It was just bad timing b/c there was some lecture going on about wine, other guests wanted sth. to drink and we had to keep things kinda quiet. She actually felt guilty that she had to charge me :shock:
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As for her paying I find that an interesting point, and I would like to hear others feedback on that.
I've been thinking about it and "Occam's Razor" would suggest that she's just a generous person. Both instances would make 'fit' that assumption.
I'd highly doubt it that she was testing me.
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As for your dates with her, Good stuff on the IOI's. Seriously though bro, after your third IOI, that's IT! Start the Kino.. however small it is fucking do it! I dont give a shit if she's behind a glass wall you figure out how to do it. If you get to 7+ IOI's and haven't started kino - shit gets tougher. Brush up on a few kino routines if you have too. It's not too late, but next time you see her, if you don't start Kino immediately after her third IOI. You're headed to the friend zone, my friend.
Oh yeah, I GOT to get some kino started! After our initial meetup I was like "Damn, no kino?! Shit!" BTW: She's having a 2nd job as an osteopath :wink:

Thanks for all the advice man - I'll keep posting as things move along.

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Way to go mate I look forward to seeing how this unravels! :)

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I had to cancel - family reasons -.-
Called her yesterday, she sounded a bit disappointed but I ended the convo on some kind of high point.

I'm going to stay rather silent - maybe a text on Monday and gonna ask again on Wed/Thu.

BTW: How big a deal is the hiatus with all of that? Saw her briefly a week ago, one phonecall and a handfull of texts. It's just moving very slowly, doesn't it?

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no need to rush it mate

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Update: Over the weekend the was no texting no nothing going on.
Was some nice exercise in "not showing off as being needy or approval seeking" - My former me would've done that mistake :)

Yesterday, I friended her on FB to "take the temperature". She accepted and almost insta-wrote me:

Her: Can't stay for very long, but Hi! :D

.... yahdahyah.... some banter back&forth... ...how was ur weekend....

Her: Didn't wanna cut you off sry, dinner's ready and I finally wanna turn off my computer. Got anything going on Wed.?
(she left already - I didn't notice)
Me: Nothing on yet - call me when ur finished - Enjoy your meal!

The result: She didn't call me, me neither - I texted her the morning after (today):
Me: Morning! So you got plans for Wed.? Wanna start something? Have a nice day! (loosely translated)

Her reply via FB just this moment: Thnx! I'm not often on FB - just checking on things etc.
Great, you got some time! What are u having in mind?
Haven't answered her yet but I'm thinking about some driving-range golf (we both used to play) - going to a well known rustic bar/restaurant - not a real dinner-date ofc! and a possible (dreaded) movie-date? IdK!
Any ideas? There's not that much around here to go to.

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Take her somewhere boring and mundane. All these places sound like serious date spots and can give her unnecessary pressure where she might flake you or have to give you the LJBF test.

You're going shopping for someone, a female opinion would be appreciated. (stop for a quick coffee break)

You're smoking Shiesha and need someone to bring abound a candle (show her some cool shit inside your house)

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Take her somewhere boring and mundane.

You're going shopping for someone, a female opinion would be appreciated. (stop for a quick coffee break)
Yeah, I figured that I'm too early in.
Doing ordinary stuff with her then just might work. Buying a book would be on the short list, coffee break, going for a walk - stopping by at some store, whatever. The more fun the better, the more different places - even more.

I already planned for the coffee date some routines like handwriting analysis or ESP routines (did I mention that her head rules the heart? ) but I won't turn into some dancing bear.

Gonna keep it light, fun, c+f.
But I believe that getting some kino is going to be a sticking point :-/

Gonna keep you posted, kino ideas would be highly appreciated :D

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My favourite kino starter from experience

*mid convo
* blatantly puts hand on her shoulder / arm

"Wait, so (let me get this straight tonality) YOU think that (highly exagerate something here to trigger emotions) [insert thing to exaggeration here] ..

*As emotional question ends, hand comes off..

She will usually touch you after this

hook line sink RELEASE

pull body away or look in another direction to fully engage the spike.


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Thank you - going to remember that one!

On a random note: I pointed out to her lack of responses to my texts
Me: "You don't seem to be a texter, do you?"
Her: something like "Yeah I hate SMS - It's way too short for me to take care of something or make a point"
Me: "It's kind of the same with answering machines on my side"

> I think I would've crashed and burned with some canned stuff like the "aliens are abducting... " or the multiliner I like to use:
Me: "Gotcha!"
Her: "Huh what?"
Me (instant reply): "Admit it! You were just thinking about me! ;-) ...."

Gonna meet her this afternoon - *close seems very unlikely.

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