the OP is as dead as lincoln to me. I wasted enough type on him.

OK now we're getting somewhere. First off, I haven't insulted you AT ALL, or used shaming language. But we can agree to disagree on that for the time being.

You have said exactly what my 35 year old friend said to me the other day when I asked him what he wanted. A nice girl to settle down with.

Down points for him: He however isn't the best looking guy, is overweight, half-asian (in a latin country) and not rolling in money (to address your concerns).

Up points: sociable as hell, good background, smart, family company on the up.

His only sex is though prostitutes as well. He has had one GF, and that ended about 12 years ago. I do not consider that a fulfilling sentimental life.

I wanted to help him so I started taking him out in the field, sending him reading material, and trying to help him begin to understand women (he has a lot of women friends who just leech him because he's just too nice and dumb.

But guess what happened?

Instead of reading what I sent (I also went to his house for one-on-one classes), and working his inner game, getting nice clothes (I offered to help out in the looks department).... He just kept watching TV, going out with the same stupid girl-friends who do NOTHING for him, and basically has not wanted to WORK AT ALL at becoming a better person for some woman to fall for. He has NO IDEA what to do in order to get women, but will also refuse to game or practice with me yesterday when out at a club.

I used the analogy of the overweight guy who wondered why he didn't lose weight while he continued to be a couch potato and eat pringles. You have to WORK for things you want in your life. This DOES NOT include closing yourself off and ignoring sound advice.

In any case my friend, you sound a lot like him. I am 38 divorced with a kid, and can still get 21 year olds contrary to all logic living in a very conservative country. Thanks to confidence and listening to advice and practicing like hell. I also crash and burn, but you can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs.

If you continue the prostitute way, good for you. I know a few pros as friends (never used their services) and some are nice and fun girls. But it's work for them, therefore I could consider sex with prostitutes like jacking off, because you have not established a human connection that stuck enough for you to have a sexual relationship without money. They might help you take your mind off your problem... though that is not what you should be seeking IMHO.

Too many similarities with my friend man.... There are people with your mindset all around the world.. You are setting your own limits. You are not going to get what you want putting down ANYTHING (including PU). As I said, you weren't always 45 or bald. You've been doing the same wrong thing for decades, but don't wanna figure out what it is.

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Fuck with her mind and her body will follow.

Getting a man to walk on the moon, and safely bringing him back to Earth took brains, scientific know how and obviously a bit of luck, being successful with women is an entirely different matter.

More insults, if you had bothered to read my other posts, you would know that I have tried all different types of methods and nothing worked, so I resent your assertion that I have been doing exacttly same thing because I haven't.

The only reason you are good with women is because of your looks, don't claim that it was PUA or any other of that pop-psychology.

And of course prostitues only do for it the money and it's only work for them, Captian Fucking Obvious, don't you think I know that? I don't go to hookers to find my wife, I am not stupid.

I went bald at 23, and I thought you PUAs said it's not about looks???

We are just wasting our breath here. I can already predict every response this guy is going to come back with. It's just a pathetic pattern with this guy. Someone tells him to stop feeling sorry for himself and do something, the tells some sob story, refutes evidence, and blames the world we live in for his problems. You know what they say, "A bad carpenter blames his tools". Meaning, it is not the tools that make us good at something, it's how we employ what we have.

Why, because I have discredited all this PUA nonsense.

The reason I irritate you PUAs is because I am honest and tell the truth, and the truth scares you doesn't it?

Just because you "tried" methods does not mean you employed them properly. You can try at something a million times but if you do it wrong each time you will still fail. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Arabs aren't popular with women in Sydney?

What about aesthetics crew?

Well then again, I'm pretty sure all of them are Arab. None of them are very good looking, but they have great bodies because of working out so much. If you work out as much as you say, then you shouldn't be such a bitch about not pulling any chicks. Maybe its the fact your unattractive in personality. Also, In my experience, (although I am only 18 and an Asian living in Melbourne) Wogs and arabs have always had the advantage over me throughout my entire education life, and even for my social life (not so much anymore). They've always been more social, pulling chicks a lot more. In general, they've been seen as more attractive than me, they pull chicks, But then so do I.

Also, on the "respect for hookers", Sex is already a mutual exchange of orgasms. If you throw money and orgasms at them, it certainly isn't fair or even. Why would you respect that? That's like saying All girls don't enjoy sex, and use sex for money.

One suggestion I'd like to make. Is rather than criticize everything you hear, why not try some of it out? Rather than arguing how ugly you are and how women don't want to touch you, why not go out and try, change yourself and go get some women?

I'm beginning to wonder if this guy is real or he's just jacking off each time a new reply comes up.....

Could this be Merriam-Webster's definition of the word T-R-O-L-L??

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Fuck with her mind and her body will follow.

You haven't discredited anything. The only thing I see when I read your posts is one man's sob story who wants to search for every excuse why hasnt been able to succeed in life rather than start with himself. You don't irritate because you've come up with some inconvenient not even truth. You're irritating because all you do is cry the blues about looks and refute empirical evidence otherwise with excuses like "luck" or "wealth". Both of which are flimsy arguments at best.

So you think I am making all this shit up, that women don't like Arab looking guys like me, then how do you explain the following article that appeared in the Sydney Sun Herald?

All Tainted By A Love Of Hate
Sun Herald
Sunday November 30, 2008
Sam De Brito
USE the word "gook" or "coon" at a party nowadays and you'll more than likely have someone object or at least shake their head in total disgust.
Call someone a "dirty Leb", however, and you'll probably draw a crowd of nodding social commentators, spouting their own rationales for dissing Lebanese; wombats who confuse subjective "bad" experiences with objective insight into culture.
That's because in the pantheon of Sydney's racists and their loathed nationalities, men of "Middle Eastern appearance" (MEA), particularly the Lebanese, now occupy a position below Asians, all other types of "wogs", South African Jews, even Aborigines. Trashing and discriminating against Lebs is now officially a free kick for racists, which will come as no surprise if you're a young man of MEA who's tried to get into a nightclub east of Hurstville.
Socialising in Sydney can be a frustrating business if you don't have a certain look and men of MEA are not the only ones who get knocked back by doormen for any number of traits including age, sexuality, shoes, "coolness" or apparent wealth. Most of those you can work on if you're desperate to get into the latest wanker establishment. But your race?
That's a little tougher and as social stigmas go on a Saturday night, I'd rather be Gordon Wood's javelin coach than a guy of MEA.
Racist door policies at nightclubs, however, are only the tip of the spear when it comes to attitudes towards Lebanese men. The larger problem is ignorance about the Lebanese and people of Middle Eastern heritage.
Most worrying of all is that in 2008, Australians still need someone to hate.
My ex-girlfriend, who's full-blood Lebanese and one of the most elegant, thoughtful, beautiful women I know, says it's been a lifelong experience having people say to her, "Where are you from?" and her grandmother was born in Australia. That's usually as bad as it gets for her but her brothers, despite coming from a family that's lived in this country for more than 70 years and produced a member of parliament, still can't get into three-quarters of the nightclubs in their city.
The human brain learns via generalisations. We come to understand that a knife looks a certain way and it cuts, so all knives do the same. Unfortunately, there are people who extend this kind of rudimentary cognition to people and cultures: a Lebanese man did this to me, so all Lebanese men do this.
Sure, there are aggressive, antisocial Lebanese men in Sydney, just like there are alcoholic Irish and fat Americans. But to demonise all members of a cultural group because of the bad behaviour of a few is lazy.
It's also called prejudice.
The thing that staggers me about this mindset is that people rarely see the chicken-and-egg nature of the problems they rail against. I don't know about you but I had issues to sort through in my teens. Apart from the usual hurdles of adolescent self-esteem I got called wog at school and it had an effect.
Now consider this: if you're a 21-year-old guy of MEA, in the years since the horrendous gang rapes by the Skaf brothers and September 11, there's a good chance you've been branded a rapist, thief and terrorist and that you're not to be trusted around women.
Try those labels on for size. Wiggle your shoulders. Live it for a few seconds, then make that your everyday existence. Reckon you'd be a little defensive, maybe a bit pissed off?
Any time we run across a surly Leb, wince at the music coming from a stereo in a car driven by swarthy men or see the same guys pick a fight, we add it to prejudice's putrid soup, use it as further justification for our hate.
This hatred doesn't require logic - which is why I've heard morons saying it was Arabs who planned the Bali bombings, why Sikhs got hate mail after 9/11 because they wear turbans, why an Indian student got attacked by crowds of "patriots" during the Cronulla riots.
Meanwhile, the crimes of so called Anglos like outback murderer Bradley Murdoch, the aforementioned Gap geek Gordon Wood, Melbourne SPAM shooter Christopher Wayne Hudson and almost every outlaw biker gang are forgotten, considered merely an aberration.
A doctor mate of mine, Shamus, sent around an email after the Cronulla riots in response to some pretty heated words on the internet.
"It's one of the most difficult things to do but I don't think you can judge whole races because of bad experiences you've had," Shamus said. "Jesus was pretty good at it and while I'm not in his class, I was once assaulted by an Asian gang but I still eat Chinese food.
"I've been beaten up by a jockey (it was a pretty close fight) but I still go to the races. I've been manhandled by Islanders on the football field but I still hug most bouncers when I walk into their clubs."
At least Shamus can get in.

I am no troll, I am deadly serious, send me a pm, and I can send you photo with my name, I am not shamed of who I am.

I am changing myself, over the last 18 months I have been going to the gym 6 to 7 days a week, so whilst I still have an ugly face, at least I have a decent body, I used to be 20kg (45lbs) overweight.

And what's wrong with respecting hookers, they are human beings and deserve to be treated with respect as much as anybody else, and for your information most men who see hookers are actually married.

I have an" unattractive personality"??, are you taking the piss??, how the fuck is a woman supposed to know what my personality is like, if she refuses to talk to me and get to know me?, it's analogous to someone saying "I hate Toyota Corollas", yet they have never driven or owned one, see what I am getting at?

I do admit that I don't go out much, and of course no woman is going to knock on my door, but all those past rejections have left deep mental scars.

Bullshit!, a close friend of mine paid $3,000.00 USD for some PUA bootcamp, and neither he or any of the students in his PUA class got any results.

The problem with you PUAs is that you think PU is some mathematical/scientific formula that men need to follow in order to attract women, and if they don't follow this formula then it's all their fault.

Do I have faults as a person?, of course I do, every human does, but what I can do when I approach a woman and she tells me to fuck off even before I open my mouth??

um, you keep talking until you get her attention...