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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:23 am 
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So I just recently decided to study PUA and thought that I should contribute to the community with my knowledge of fitness and diet.

Here's why your not losing fat and "gaining" at the same time. . . it's because you are eating foods that have been around for 0.01% of mankind's existence. Bi-pedal primates have been around for 6 million years. Modern day humans (Homo Sapiens) have been around for 200,000 years. Agriculture has been around for 10,000 years. Do you see yet where I'm going with this? We are not genetically designed to eat excess carbohydrates, especially in the form of wheat. It's just not how we evolved.

The human diet for almost our whole existence has been wild game meat, fish, wild nuts and seeds, eggs, animal fat, fruit, and wild veggies (particularly green leafy ones). Increased protein and fat intake is actually what allowed us to develop our large brains. Carbs should not be the primary source of energy, but fats. Of course this goes against the entire conventional medical and nutrition establishment, which is basically a gigantic business to profit off of your sickness.

"But I workout and am an athlete" you say, " if I don't eat carbs, I feel like crap! Stop talking about fats as energy, it's witchcraft!" Well, you need to realize something . . . our ancestors did not workout or exercise in a systematic fashion. They were active yes, however they never trained for a marathon or MMA bout. That being said, carbs on this diet have to be eaten very strategically. In other words, it's imperative that they are eaten only around workout time (pre and post, sometimes just one or the other depending on the individual). Acceptable forms would be fruit, sweet potato, squash, eggplant.

Gentleman, this all refereed to as the Paleolithic diet, and it's taking over the nutrion world by storm. There is increasing scientific evidence to suggest that this is indeed the ideal way to eat. By eating in this fashion, you will shred fat like a mother fucker and improve the tone and density of your muscles dramatically. Here are some great websites to get you started . . .

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/

http://www.robbwolf.com/

Feel free to ask any questions.


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Thanks man I just started crossfit and they showed me some videos that explained this. Good info :)


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Thats awesome man. I'm a crossfitter myself and combining it with paleo eating will make you express your truest genetics: a ripped, strong, explosive, fast physique.


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Fuck yeah, paleo is the only way to eat! Mark Sisson's Primal Blueprint is rad too!

85% Dark Chocolate ftw!


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Our ancestors were smaller, weaker, less intelligent and died at the age of 30. I don't think you can compare someone who had to hunt to live and stored fat during winter month not to freeze to current humans.

I'm on a variation of the Paleo diet currently and agree with not eating processed shit or anything that is not natural. I just like to be arguementitive :D . I will judge my health in a 6 months.


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Our ancestors were smaller, weaker, less intelligent and died at the age of 30. I don't think you can compare someone who had to hunt to live and stored fat during winter month not to freeze to current humans.

I'm sorry but that is false. The archaeological record shows that we were indeed taller and more well muscled before the advent of agriculture. Modern day hunter gatherer societies have been shown to be rather robust, healthy, and muscular. And the only reason our life expectancy was shown to be less was simply because we did not have things like guaranteed shelter, protection against infection, and protection against wild animals. When agriculture came around, we built cities (settled establishments), which in turn allowed for protection against the elements.

Furthermore, the archeological record shows that disease and cavities skyrocketed when we started to plant and eat things. And contrary to popular belief, farming expended more calories than hunting and gathering did; it was simply more work to do. Agriculture, although allowing us to make insane technological and cultural advancements, has effectively been the worst thing to happen to humanity. Humans were never a warlike species until settled establishments, because with settled establishments came politics, and with politics, you had a need to raise armies. Social hierarchical discrimination also resulted from all of this.


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Sorry, I dont know why I quoted the whole thing.

I'm sorry but that is false. The archaeological record shows that we were indeed taller and more well muscled before the advent of agriculture. Modern day hunter gatherer societies have been shown to be rather robust, healthy, and muscular. And the only reason our life expectancy was shown to be less was simply because we did not have things like guaranteed shelter, protection against infection, and protection against wild animals. When agriculture came around, we built cities (settled establishments), which in turn allowed for protection against the elements.

Furthermore, the archeological record shows that disease and cavities skyrocketed when we started to plant and eat things. And contrary to popular belief, farming expended more calories than hunting and gathering did; it was simply more work to do. Agriculture, although allowing us to make insane technological and cultural advancements, has effectively been the worst thing to happen to humanity. Humans were never a warlike species until settled establishments, because with settled establishments came politics, and with politics, you had a need to raise armies. Social hierarchical discrimination also resulted from all of this.


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paleolithic diet is a GREAT diet. I've been doing it on and off from when I want to get really in great shape. It's hard to maintain a paleolithic diet because of all the junk food and processed food all around us. And it's actually a costly diet.

This diet is so awesome that it actually make you lose fat and you can maintain and BUILD muscle while doing that diet!! You can eat up to 5-6 times a day and only eat what the human being used to eat before they introduced agriculture!!

I have pictures of me on paleo diet and I can assure you the results are more then good! If someone really wants to see I'll try to figure out how to put a picture.

There is studies that show that in the food that we eat that comes from wheat, there is a sugar-binding protein LECTIN that might be the cause of a lot of cancer and a lot of disease that comes out nowadays.

And it's false to think our ancestors were weak... our ancestors were much much stronger then us.


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And it's false to think our ancestors were weak... our ancestors were much much stronger then us.
Lies. Who those 4'5" 85lb behemoths? We are physically superior in every way.

If they were in better shape then the average American(lol), this was because they were very active and on limited food intake. No 2000 cal pizzas while watching a movie. I believe that a person who is active and eats well is 10x stonger, faster, smarter then our ancestors.

Post picture, I would like to see results. As I said, I don't think the diet is bad, but I don't think you can look 5000 years ago to make a comparison.


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Lies. Who those 4'5" 85lb behemoths? We are physically superior in every way.
I don't know which specimen you are looking at, but it certainly must be an outlier. There is undoubtable proof that on average, ancient homo sapiens were taller and more robust than us.

http://www.quora.com/Why-has-the-human- ... ill-Wister

This link will lead you to that evidence as well as demonstrate that the human brain has actually SHRUNK on average since the advent of agriculture. To say that we are "smarter" is such a vague and erroneous statement. It might appear to be so because we are immersed in technology such as the use of this online forum, but pound for pound, our ancestors were way more active and focused than perhaps we shall ever be.

Still don't buy the argument? Well look at Neadertals, and you will see that their brains were anywhere from 1300cc to 1700cc, a 10% on average increase compared to modern homo sapiens. I won't even include a link for this because it can be found anywhere.

I'll tell you what. Instead of me providing you with evidence that hunter gather groups are healthier, why don't you provide evidence against this? You show me the prototypical westerner, I show you a hunter gatherer. GAME OVER.

(Oh and by the way, look at disease rates for Aborigines and Eskimos, then get back to me)


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that's me on paleo diet last year

http://postimage.org/image/66kz2l6wn/

Never took any steroids, or anything similar... I was around 185lbs, I could bench 275. I was prolly around 10-11% body fat. That's maybe 2-3 months of paleolithic diet + trainning of course. I've been trainning for a long time but I never had those results before doing paleolithic diet. It works but it's very hard to keep unless you cook your own food and try to avoid junk food and processed food.

And when I say I couldn't get those results I am not talking about the strenght... Even with poor diet I was strong but when I wanted to get rip... I used to do other type of diets but you always lose muscle mass... not on paleo... on paleo I was able to build muscle mass and lose fat.


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I don't know which specimen you are looking at, but it certainly must be an outlier. There is undoubtable proof that on average, ancient homo sapiens were taller and more robust than us.

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This link will lead you to that evidence as well as demonstrate that the human brain has actually SHRUNK on average since the advent of agriculture. To say that we are "smarter" is such a vague and erroneous statement. It might appear to be so because we are immersed in technology such as the use of this online forum, but pound for pound, our ancestors were way more active and focused than perhaps we shall ever be.

Still don't buy the argument? Well look at Neadertals, and you will see that their brains were anywhere from 1300cc to 1700cc, a 10% on average increase compared to modern homo sapiens. I won't even include a link for this because it can be found anywhere.

I'll tell you what. Instead of me providing you with evidence that hunter gather groups are healthier, why don't you provide evidence against this? You show me the prototypical westerner, I show you a hunter gatherer. GAME OVER.

(Oh and by the way, look at disease rates for Aborigines and Eskimos, then get back to me)
I actually didn't know these facts! I just kinda talk shit lol. I'm not sure why I was under the impression that our ancestors were smaller then us. I'm going to look into this more. Thanks for the info.
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that's me on paleo diet last year

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Never took any steroids, or anything similar... I was around 185lbs, I could bench 275. I was prolly around 10-11% body fat. That's maybe 2-3 months of paleolithic diet + trainning of course. I've been trainning for a long time but I never had those results before doing paleolithic diet. It works but it's very hard to keep unless you cook your own food and try to avoid junk food and processed food.

And when I say I couldn't get those results I am not talking about the strenght... Even with poor diet I was strong but when I wanted to get rip... I used to do other type of diets but you always lose muscle mass... not on paleo... on paleo I was able to build muscle mass and lose fat.
You look really good dude! I knew one guy that lived by the diet but he was like 135lbs so I was very skeptical about it working for people who build muscle. But everything technically makes sense in this diet. I have been eating by the book about 70% of the time for about 3 weeks and have increased my gym numbers and dropped some fat. I'm gonna stick with it cause I like the results even at 70%. Have you guys had any negative side effects? Do you ever break the diet? Normally I do a cheat day once a week. Or is that bad with this diet?


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Gaining muscle is quite easy on this diet, you just have to take in a lot of quality fat. And cheating is alright, but should be avoided for at least the initial 30 days you start. You have to give the body time to adapt to using fat instead of carbs for energy.


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Thanks man really appreciate!

Ya like accountguy said, the first 30 days you should let your body adapt to digest "fat" as the main source of energy instead of "carbs" but I do break the diet from time to time because honestly I find it hard to maintain.

You can eventually cheat once a week it's not a big deal.

There is no real negative side effect except that you might find it hard at the beginning because your body is going to crave for carbs... you'll feel that even if you just ate a good meal, you might still feel hungry. When that happen you can grab some veggies or before trainning you can eat some fruits and it will help. Try to eat 4-6 times a day but not always big meals. Always make sure to eat some fruits after your trainning to restore your glycogen ( you deplete your stocks of glycogen when you train, by eating fruits, you will get fructose that will get transformed into glucose that will restore your glycogen level ) and protein too right after your trainning!

Maybe another negative thing is it will probably cost you more money to eat then it used to.


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Paleo diet is crap. Of course you guys will see results, any diet will give you results, but the question is are they the best results? Answer is no. Cavemen were not worried about optimizing performance or body composition. Is it good for your healthy? Most likely, since the average person eats like trash. But it is not the be all end all diet, it is a fad.

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