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Sorry skills, but your explanation about fucking at 1st/2nd date & friendzone is limited. There is no golden rule about when to fuck them. My LTR's have very different histories: several dates in two months, after two dates in one week, etc. I do not follow a fixed script, my intuition tells me enough. And if there is one thing that I'm not into right now, it is the friendzone.
And no, you couldn't have land her that date. Yes, there was more than enough attraction, tension etc. But she stressed out. And we all fuck up a date by stressing out at one point. Women can do that too.
I pointed out different things, but anyways i said heavy escalation and/or sex, in second meeting if not friendzone and/or go cold or lose momentum will happened, you are not in the friendzone but she went COLD, and second guessing, this is typical of what happens if you do not heavy escalate to the point of sex in the second meeting... Let say i was you in the second meeting she is in the low point of her life, i would find out why, go into Anthony Robbins mode, address her problem and get her to talk while paying attention and nodding my head without interrupting, then i would give her life advise, then empathy, shoulder to cry on, lift her up, make her LAUGH OR SMILE, change her state, then, then, then escalate...I been here many times, i get these type of problems more than i get asds... And actually this type of situations work so much better to fclose. As i said lmar the problem is not circumstances, is your game.
I can agree to a certain degree. But, we are in fact dealing with two scenarios. In your scenario, I fucked it up, because I did not divert the situation after a while to a sexual frame. If that was the case, I wouldn't ask for advice. I'm smarter than this. In fact, I didn't. The outcome was optimal in the given situation, but it was not the best outcome. I reached the limits of the given situation, I did most of your advice except her mental state blocked the course of further physical interaction. In this scenario, she's hitting herself to the head because her own actions contradicted what she wanted, that physical interaction. I was empathic, playful, sexual, etc. So, that is why it ended in an awkward ending of the evening. She still contacts me, still sending me the same messages, but she has the association of her own dumb actions with the awkward moment. Women are not the perfect responders, they can fuck up like we do. We both can have certain desires but do dumb things. In this case, it is her fault. Being more comforting would be the chicken way out ending up in the friendzone, being even more sexual would equaled sexual harassment.
So, "circumstances" - her neurotic sad mental state no matter what - were a roadblock for my game. I always could have done better, but not that much better.
For now, I have chosen the freeze out option for a while. Unless you object this taken road?