Hey man, you're more than welcome to join us. Hank is pretty good at making me step out of my comfort zone, so he might be able to give you the nudge needed. We usually end up having so much fun that the fear of rejection is non-existant. I'll shoot you a PM with details on how to get in touch.

approaching isn't even an issue for me

i don't push things forward as fast as i should

On second note...i'm good guys unless someone wants to go out on Sundays and Mondays

Great journal guys. I really like how its not ego-based like some of the others on here.

But I don't understand why you've called it 'Progress Journal', you seem to be already there or at least only one step away from seducing any woman you want.

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Thanks Ptown. I appreciate the kind words and vote of confidence, but there is definitely progress to be made on both our parts. We both have had success with women in the past (Hank more than myself) which I think is helping us progress a little quicker in the beginning stages. However, we both feel like there is still much to learn.

In regards to myself, I really haven't number closed many girls. I did manage to full close the one, but in all honesty, I think she was into me from the start more than she let on. So, I don't feel like I needed to use a whole lot of game on her. I still struggle a bit with AA. Not so much when I'm out with Hank, but when I'm by myself I find myself passing up opportunities that I shouldn't be. I also still have room to improve in my mid-game.

We both set a mutual goal to full close 20 girls, rating in the 7-10 range, in this year. So until we have both achieved the goal, we consider it progress.

-LeDuke

I hope your not spinning this in a negative way in your head! Everyone is born with the tools to PU women. You already understand how to do it, any problems you still face are just barriers that have been put up in your mind that you have to break through which is why most people are their own worst enemy.
For me, I've learnt setting goals like this can hinder your process because its almost like you have to win. I'd be more focused on working on your inner game, and not missing any opportunities to open because of logistical problems or whatever the reason. If your able to completely reduce missed opportunities, lays will become a by-product of your efforts.

Source: My experience and my recently changed outlook on PU.

PS You guys would be awesome wingman come to Aus

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An update in the life of LeDuke

This update is going to be about me. The reason for this update is I realize I have been omitting day time interactions when I shouldn't be. Even though these interactions are short or seem lame in my eyes, I should post them anyway so I can reflect on them and see where I have grown or what I can do to next time. Let me first say that in my social circle and areas I'm comfortable, I'm the life of the party. When it comes to strangers, I tend to be an introvert. So here are some of the social interactions I've had when I'm not with Hank. Hopefully this update won't be all over the place.

HB#1: Girl I used to work with when I was in high school.
I ran into this girl at my gym. I approached her and we exchanged pleasantries. Small talk and I didn't go for the # when I should have. If for nothing else practice. The next time I saw her at the gym, we talked a little more and this time I did ask for her number. She gave it to me and I texted her so she'd have mine. While exchanging texts, she mentioned her b/f. I framed it as her coming onto me and me not willing to help her cheat on her b/f. The next time I saw her at the gym she had a cute friend with her. They just finished a zumba class. I approached and did a funny, gangster handshake with her. She then says to her friend:

HB: This is the guy that used to call me B-rad (a nick name I had given her). We used to work together.
ME: *as I put my arm around her* Oh don't lie. We used to be lovers, but it didn't work out and now she's embarrassed about it.
Friend: Haha, oh I see. Yea I've heard about the B-rad days

Apparently she had been talking about me to her friend. We had some more small talk and then I told B-rad she was rude for not introducing me to her friend and made her do so. I then nicknamed her friend Z-rad and they are now the dynamic duo. A nice little inside joke I can play with them.

HB#2: The girl at the grocery store.
There was no interaction with this girl...at all. She was a 9 and as soon as I saw her, I wanted to approach her. I was overwhelmed with AA. She was holding some of those smart choice meals. I thought about opening her by asking if they were any good. I hesitated and she walked off. I missed my shot. I'm posting this as a reminder to myself of the feeling of regret of not knowing what would have happened.

HB#3: Cashier at grocery store
This was a mixed girl with glasses that works at my grocery store. This interaction was easy because I wasn't really attracted to her and didn't care if she liked me or not. I chose to game her a little to practice holding eye contact. Here's how it went:

ME: Hey do you get a lot of compliments on your glasses?
HB: Not really. Well, maybe when I first got them I did
ME: Really? I've got a friend who wears frames kind of like that and he gets hit on all the time. It really isn't fair, I can't get any attention when I'm out with him.
HB: Well I normally wear contacts, but...*I cut her off*
ME: But glasses are the new trend and you want to fit in. I get it. It's fashionable. I only wish I needed glasses so I could be fashionable too. Damn my perfect eye sight.
HB: Haha no, no. I just see better with them.
ME: Yea, sure. Listen, you don't have to justify your reasons to me.
*More small talk for a bit then she handed me my receipt*
HB: Have a nice night.
ME: You too. Oh, and by the way...I really like your glasses *intense eye contact*

She was blushing at that point. During most of the interaction she would not hold eye contact with me. She looked down a lot and smiled. It was good practice and I had fun with it.

HB#4: Girl at the gas station.
My brother was with me when I pulled up to get gas. An HB7 was pumping gas in front of me. We both agreed she was pretty hot and I knew I had to open her. I stepped out of my car...and hesitated. Wasn't sure what to say, but then I just said, "fuck it! Just say hi". So, I did:

ME: Hi, how's it going?
HB7: Pretty good, you?
ME: I'm doing well. So, you want to line these bad boys up after this and race? (I drive an S2000, she drove a camry lol)
HB7: Haha, yea! Bring it!
ME: How much HP that bad boy got?
HB7: Uhhh, I'm not good with that kind of stuff. I dunno. 2? 5? 25?
ME: Wow, you really aren't. You have no idea what you're saying right now, do you?
HB7: Haha, I really don't.
*at this point she's finishing up*
ME: Now wait for me. We have to race.
HB7: Haha, no I can't. I really need to go. Bye.
ME: Ok, well have a nice night.

Something I should have done was told her to come to me and then asked her name and attempted to fluff talk about, then maybe go for the number close. None the less, I was happy that I at least opened her.

HB#5: The HB8 at the gym
This girl and I were both about to use the same machine. She asked if I was going to and I told her no, she was and that I'd use the one next to her first. After she finished up, she then went to the machine to the left of me. When I finished, I jumped on the machine she used first and she jumped on the one I just finished on. After I had finished my sets, I opened her:

ME: Excuse me...
HB8: Yes?
ME: Listen, I'm about to go do shoulders. You're not going to steal anymore of my equipment are you?
HB8: Haha, no.
ME: Ok, good because I'd really hate to fight you for it and you mess up my pretty face.
HB8: Hahaha, oh no. You're fine.
ME: You sure?
HB8: Yea, I'll let you this time
ME: Ok, I appreciate it.

I'm not sure if I should have pushed the interaction further or not. My eye contact sucked and I feel weird about interrupting someone's workout. So, I just went on and finished my workout.

HB#6: Girl on treadmill at gym
This girl was an HB9.5. She's the type of girl I'm weak for. She was running on the treadmill. I wanted to approach her, but again I just feel like interrupting a workout is rude and I'm weird about it. I was also afraid to get blown out in front of people. So, once again, I pussed out. Just another reminder to myself of how much I was kicking my ass later about it. Maybe I'll see her again.


I still have some AA to tackle and I need to get over the fear of being blown out or looking dumb. Honestly, that feeling pales in comparison to the feelings later on when I'm wondering what might have happened. The times I do open, I need to work on continuing the conversation, trying to escalate, and going for # closes at least. I have definitely shown improvement in my social skills though. A couple months ago, I would have had none of those interactions.

Also, something else I've been doing lately to help out with socializing. I've been going on chatroulette.com when I'm bored at home. I talk to anyone on there. Guys or girls, but I mostly look to talk to girls of course. I find it that it helps develop my social skills as far as keeping a conversation going. I've also managed to get a couple girls to get naked on cam for me which is kind of nice as well. From now on I'll be posting my day time interactions regardless of how short or lame I think they are.

-LeDuke

I probably am. I think you are right and I am my biggest enemy for sure. Thanks for pointing this out.
I see what you're saying, but I should probably clarify a bit on our goal. We set the goal as a mutual goal that easily identified an objective that we could both achieve. Although that is our mutual goal, both of us have our own personal goals that are specific to us as we are stronger and weaker at different areas of the game. We just wanted to have something to reach for so we don't get content with our progress too soon. However, even if we do achieve it, we don't see it as "winning the game", but as "beating the level". So from there we only advance with new goals.

Also, I would LOVE to come to Aus. I've seen some of the women down there. Maybe one day, but I doubt it would be soon If I ever do though, I'll gladly wing ya!

-LeDuke

Update in the life of LeDuke...

Gym # close

Today at the gym while working out, a buddy and I were talking and he points out this solid 8 mixed chick. Talks about how hot she is. I agree and tell him he should talk to her, but he refuses. I then tell him everything to say to initiate the conversation. He was impressed by my idea, but was too shy to approach. After he left, I was working out and I thought to myself, "I just told this guy everything to do and yet here I am not following through with my own advice". That was unacceptable. So I told myself to man up and do exactly what I just told my friend to do. Here is how it went down:

ME: Excuse me. Listen, I don't want to interrupt your workout, so could you do me a favor? Would you come find me when you're done? I just want to ask you about your workout for a friend of mine that's a girl.
HB8: Oh yea, sure! No problem.
ME: Great, thanks.

I then go back to my workout. After she finishes her exercise, she walks right up to me. I was sitting down and she was standing up.

ME: Ok, I have a friend and she wants to get in shape for the new year and stuff. She asked me what to do, but I mostly just lift weights and she won't take my advice. Says she's afraid she'll get bulky. You look like you're in pretty great shape, so I was wondering what you do?
HB8: Well...*tells me about her workouts*
ME: Oh ok, great. I try to tell her she won't bulk up. Maybe she'll listen if I tell her I got advice from a fit girl.
HB8: Haha, yea girls always think that.
ME: You do cardio as well I assume?
HB8: Yea, I'm about to go run right now.
ME: Ok, cool. Well hey, thanks for your time. What was your name?
HB8: No problem. I'm K
ME: I'm LeDuke. One last thing. I just wanted to point out that everyone in here saw you walk up to me and totally think you were just hitting on me. So, thank you.
HB8: Haha! Oh my god, later. *big smiles*

At this point I was pretty happy with the interaction so I just continue my workout. As I'm doing so, I begin to think to myself I shouldn't stop there. I need to push the interaction and go for the number. I decide to approach her one last time as I'm on my way out.

*firm eye contact as I approach
ME: K, right?
HB8: Yes.
ME: Listen, I had a bit of a crazy idea. You should give me your number so we can meet up for coffee and discuss fitness and what not.
HB8: Yea, that sounds good.
ME: Great. I promise nothing but great conversation.
HB8: Haha, ok. It's...*number close*
ME: Awesome. Enjoy the rest of your workout.

Once I got in my car, I texted:

ME: The guy you hit on at the gym. LeDuke
HB8: Lol, ok. Locking you in.

Done.

-LeDuke

Great job bro! Good job going back for the 2nd approach. I really think you could have set up a date on the spot based on how well things went. She was definitely into you.

Congrats. Good luck on your coffee date with K.

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Update

Tonight, I learned a very valuable lesson in gaming. One I should try to remember all the time. That is...It ain't over until it's over!

Where: Several bars in Nashville area

Who: LeDuke & Hank Panky

The night started off at our usual jump off spot. Hank was already inside as I was walking up. Tonight, I decided to try a little peacock theory. Nothing too crazy, but I wore goofy cookie monster beanie. It's blue with tassels and big googly eyes right on the front. It's funny...at least I think it's funny. I figured I'd probably get some girls laughing at me and maybe make fun of it which I would turn into an open. Hank got quite a laugh as I walked into the bar. I we greeted our bartender friend and she introduced us to 2 new employees that started working there. A new bartender and a new waitress. Both really cute.

The waitress, although cute as hell, is uhhh...how can I put this delicately...dumb. Hank targeted her and I played wing. As she was talking to us, Hank told her he was a ventriloquist and of course she believed him. At one point, I think we almost had her convinced I was one of his dummies. I decided to take a stab at the new bartender. We talked a little bit. Didn't really make much headway. The other bartender, the one we know, is clearly into me. Since the bar was dead, and I mean DEAD, she wasn't busy and had plenty of free time. So, she was all over me. She's cool and fun to flirt with, but I'm not really looking to go anywhere with her. Hank ran some kino on the waitress while I distracted the bartenders. The new bartender asked me my name and we small talked a little bit. We made fun of the new waitress for cleaning the window with a dirty rag. Shortly after we left. Didn't push the interaction much since we are regulars, we can build more social proof each week and possibly close them in the future. The place was also amazingly dead.

Walked down the street and popped into 3 other spots...dead. It was very odd. There was literally no one out tonight. We didn't quite understand it. We decided to go back to our initial bar, say one last goodbye to our bartender friends and then hit another side of town. As we were driving off we see a taxi pull up and a whole group hotties jump out and run down this alley to a karaoke bar. We decide to check it out.

Walk into the place and holy shit it was slammed. Jam packed with 8's & 9's all over the place. They were everywhere. It was amazing. We head towards the bar to get a drink and the wait was ridiculous. Finally, I told Hank I was gonna find a spot to sit while he got a drink. I sat down at a table and thought I'd try to open while I waited. As I'm sitting there I notice that it seems like everyone there knows each other. Everyone. It was loud and honestly, I was a bit intimidated to open anyone. At one point a girl fell off her stool right in front of me. When she got up, I touched her arm and asked her if that hurt as I laughed. She smiled and said she was fine, then just turned around and disregarded me completely. Hank finally gets his drink and he fills me in on his discovery. The reason this place is so packed...it's a Vanderbilt party. So, almost everyone there really does know each other. A lot of the guys there seemed pretty douchey and it was putting us in a sour mood. We decided to just leave as it was clear, we weren't going to have much success here. Maybe it's a cop out, but a lot of these girls just didn't seem like they were interested in meeting anybody outside the Vanderbilt group.

We decide to hit our usual ending hot spot. It's the last bar we go to and we always have a great time and usually end the night on a good note. It wasn't too crowded, so we grab a table and chill. A 4 set is nearby so I open them with an opinion opener. None of the girls hooked. I talked to them for a bit and they tell me that they are there for a law school party and that everyone there goes to the same law school. WTF is going on with all these parties?! Once I realized the set wasn't going anywhere, I eject. 2 of the girls come back a few minutes later and ask us to take a picture. We take there cameras and take pictures of each other before taking pictures of them. Afterward, I tried one last time to engage one of the girls, but she just wasn't having it. It seemed like it was going to be our first failure at this bar and overall a shitty, shitty night.

Next to us was a mixed set, a guy with an HB7. Hank decides to open them just for one last hoorah. Opinion opener and they're hooked. Turned out they weren't together and were friends and co-workers. Awesome. So, we run game. Hank was on fire. We discussed the opinion opener as she came and sat next to Hank. At one point the set stalled for a brief moment, so I engaged to keep the set going. Hank then tells the HB they should switch scarves (locking her in). She does and then I get a picture of them together. He starts to kino and she kino's him back. At one point she offered Hank some of her chips. He takes one and feeds it to her. It really was perfect game. I was glad one of us would have a successful set at least...and then she walked in.

A strong 8 by my standards. Short, petite with black hair. She was Filipino...and quite sexy. She walks right up to Hank's target. Turns out they work together also and she was meeting them for drinks. She introduces her to both Hank and I. Game on. I wait for her to get her drink, settle in, and say her hi's. I then engage with the same opinion opener used by Hank. From that point on it was just easy going. I had her isolated on one side of the table while Hank had his girl isolated on his. I have no idea what happened between Hank and his target from this point. I didn't run any routines on this girl. Just basic comfort building in conversation. I maintained strong eye contact and kino'ed a little bit. At one point during our discussion I told her I needed to hug her for what she said. So, we hugged a nice tight one. We talked until the bar closed. Before it did, I told her to give me her number so we could go out for drinks and talk more. She complied. I gave her one last hug before leaving. Hopefully, she doesn't flake.

Hank also number closed his target...and kiss closed...and went home with her...and is probably balls deep in her as I type this. I'm quite confident it's a full close. I'll have to wait til tomorrow to confirm it. So that was our night. It was total shit until the very end. So, as I said in the beginning...it ain't over, til it's over!

Oh and one last thing...my peacocking did not work for me. I ditched the hat pretty early. I won't be wearing that out ever again.

-LeDuke

Oh....you went to Limelight, yeah you shouldn't come into our school's parties we really don't take kindly too often to "outsiders"

nvm you were probably at lonnies. love that place

full report in a few days, but yes let me confirm; as LeDuke was typing his report, I was in fact as deep as he suspected. SNL for your boy Hank!

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Hey guys I live in Nash too and have been looking for some dedicated people to practice this stuff with. You all seem like your pretty fun to game with and are success driven. I'd really love to get in on what you all are doing.

I just saw Rastafarian1's post about looking for guys to game with and im basically in the same shoes as he is. Im in college, dont have much of an approach problem, but sometimes steer myself in the wrong direction after that. Looking to sharpen up basically.

Would you all be interested in hitting some bars up together later this week?

message me what college you go to