Don't kid yourselves. Race does matter.



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:48 am 
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Nah I dont agree with the initial point of this thread , yeah sure i agree that if your white and you go to somewhere like HongKong you will be desired more however having first hand experience I can tell you its how you play off your ethnicity that counts

If you follow racail stereotypes you wont end up getting far , but if you learn to understand them and learn to use them you will be able to use them in your favour.

I always use my chinese friends as an example ( my hometown is Liverpool) It is mainly a white population on average I would say about 85% white in most clubs.
However whenever im out with them they generally pull as much as I do , they act british , they support the local football teams, they have took up the local accent , their stylish and go against the sterotype . They stand out because their chinese and this works well for them , no ones seen anyone like them before so their always intrested in talking to them. For example we were at a bar the other day and the waitress opened my friend , she came off a little bit racist by a genuine mistake and he used it to his advantage and took the piss out of the situation. ( the reason im using this example is because if you learn to use your ethnicity to the best of your ability people will be intrested in you )

Besides if your having a problem with race relocate , if your in the uk move to London i was shocked by how little many white people were there , I was also shocked by how racist the older generations were to white people ( wouldnt even sit next to me on the bus lol !) but thats going off point . All im saying is you can be smart and race wont get in your way
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Im hispanic as well guy...i know exactly what you mean but not to sure if its so much as a culture thing. Im sure, however, that a someone would feel more comfortable as to talk with someone who is thier same race as oppose to something different... just an idea
Yeah, my point was more about culture than race. But the 2 go hand in hand.


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There are a lot of posts here where a guy blames their ethnicity for their failure, and the most common reply is people saying race has nothing to do with it. I don't agree with either.

Race communicates a lot. If you're white and you don't believe race matters, try travel to Asia and watch your value as a man skyrocket then tell me it doesn't make a difference. This is because in most Asian countries being white communicates positive things (wealth is obviously the big one).

What is communicated depends on the cultural context. Values are not universal. And that's where some people get into trouble. They project the values that are important to their own culture, but these values may not rank as important to the culture of who they are approaching.

For example. I live in Australia and work as an electrical engineer. Most Aussie girls respond to this job as neutral, it is perceived as a good but nerdy profession, generally they'd much prefer the trades person on the front line getting dirty than the designer in the office. Asians ALWAYS respond much better to my job, because they put greater emphasis on education, specifically in math and science areas. And are more social class orientated.

The important part is to display the values that you do have that are also culturally relevant or valued by your target.

Where the uneven battlefield arises is if a woman has had little contact with your culture. They can attach whatever stereotypes they have about that culture onto you, sometimes this works against you (the asian nerd stereotype) but sometimes it can work for you (in Aus the French may be stereotyped as romantic and good lovers, African Americans as fun and charismatic, etc). If it works against you, then breaking her preconceived idea about your race or culture will help you to win her.

An example of this is DJ Fuji. He is an Asian PUA with a huge mohawk. The mohawk works for him because it is incongruent with negative stereotypes about Asians such as conformity, shyness or nerdy.

It's true and sometimes you have to break the stereotype in order to give your real personality a shot at getting the girl.

I see the main thing is Differences and Commonalities and they can either draw you closer to the girl or push you away. its a fine line but never count yourself out. it maybe a Difference a girl is looking for rather than a Commonality and vice verse.


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The point is that race shouldn't matter. People that judge based on race are ignorant of the possibilities. They could miss wonderful opportunities because of their stereotypes.

People have a few experiences and formulate a hypothesis without realizing it. They judge others because of this human need to detect patterns and create shortcuts. It's wrong. And if you put a lot of effort into proving it right, you will just convince yourself of something that has already been proven wrong.

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I think you're right about race mattering, but it does depend on the girl you're with. Here in Korea where I live, being non-Asian is a HUGE DISadvantage, as there's a huge negative attitude towards foreigners in this country, and most girls wouldn't want to be caught with a Westerner, even if she liked him. Of course, I'm sure it can help out being non-Asian in places like Taiwan, Japan, or Southeast Asia.

As a Latino, I've been having a tough time here in Korea. Even my other white friends struggle with Korean girls, although I've had Asian friends such as Korean-Americans and other Asians doing rather well for themselves here. To some degree, it may be true unfortunately. It depends on the girl and where you are.


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Everyone relates to people who have more in common with themselves. That's the entire reason you get along with people. Obviously the biggest difference to jump out at you is that when you're sarging you are displaying a difference in value etc. This is because people are constantly striving to improve (even just subconsciously) and if they see you as having qualities that are desirable for themselves then that appeals to them too.

Now when you think of it in terms of race... obviously it has some affect - some people have preferences, but preferences can change. Like a couple of posts have mentioned, you've just got to break the stereotype and develop your own interesting, fun and enjoyable.

At the end of the day, it's the individual qualities that matter more than one aspect of yourselve that is, quite literally, out of your control.

So it does matter, but, like EVERYTHING, if you're aware of how and why is matters, you can overcome any potential barriers.

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I think you're right about race mattering, but it does depend on the girl you're with. Here in Korea where I live, being non-Asian is a HUGE DISadvantage, as there's a huge negative attitude towards foreigners in this country, and most girls wouldn't want to be caught with a Westerner, even if she liked him. Of course, I'm sure it can help out being non-Asian in places like Taiwan, Japan, or Southeast Asia.

As a Latino, I've been having a tough time here in Korea. Even my other white friends struggle with Korean girls, although I've had Asian friends such as Korean-Americans and other Asians doing rather well for themselves here. To some degree, it may be true unfortunately. It depends on the girl and where you are.

Koreans are known to be incredibly ethnocentric.

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