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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:53 am 
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I just moved to Vancouver for school, and WOW are there a lot of sexy girls here. Perhaps a shallow realization, and not the only one, but something you can't really ignore. It's that fact, and the fact that I've been 'gaming' for 2 years now with no real success, that inspired me to try again with a different approach (and a different setting). Let's get right into it:

MY NEW GOALS:
- be able to approach anyone on the street and have an interesting conversation with them
- be able to talk to any girl and either get their number or set up a hangout with them (not just a one-time conversation)
- the obvious ones: number close, kiss close... am I aiming too high to say fuck close?

MY RECENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
- helped a couple find their keys in the park
- talked to a couple people playing guitar in the park
- hung out with some really cool people by a bonfire on the beach
- talked to some strangers in the park
- talked to a tour leader girl at school for a bit

May not seem impressive, but it's progress.

THINGS I'VE LEARNED:
- micro-sets are really helpful in getting your game wheel spinning and building up social momentum
- Gauging interest is what's important. Not all sets have to be full conversations, and forcing it isn't good. This is where time constraints are important. Go for a quick approach, and gauge the set's interest. If they aren't interested, move on. If they are, stick around.
- Talking to people really isn't that hard, and has no negative consequences besides perhaps a little discomfort/awkwardness/embarrassment, which is irrational to be afraid of.

AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT: (this is where I need your help)
- I feel like I'm too polite when I talk to people. It's all meaningless small talk that doesn't go anywhere interesting.

How do I start a conversation about something interesting? How do I keep a conversation going? Essentially, I want to talk about things other than the weather, or directions, the city, etc.

- I feel like I come off too young when I talk to people. This is a strange problem, maybe it's my voice? I think people see me as very innocent and young, perhaps not very dominant or alpha.

How do I come off as more dominant/leading/alpha to new people I meet?

- I sometimes feel like I'm restraining myself or holding myself back. I hesitate in giving my opinion, saying a joke, or making an observation. I tend to 'go with the flow'.

How do I let myself loose and be more present? I want to be able to just say what is on my mind without thinking about it.

- The classic: I feel like I'm not funny enough. I seem to lack personality when I'm talking to people I don't know; it's all so polite and formal sounding... I want to be able to crack jokes and make other people laugh. I tend to be the 'funny one' among my friends, but around people I'm not comfortable around I hold myself back.

How do I get to be more funny around strangers?


Thanks for your help guys, I appreciate it.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:27 am 
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here is an experiment for you, full script,

(open)
Hey this might sound a little weird but do you know where i can find a candy apple in vancover?(you can use what ever opener you would like)
You seem like your from toronto (keep in mind how in depth she gives away her logistics here)
the nightlife here in vancover, is it good?
well iv'e got to go soon, you seem really friendly and cute, i would love to take you out for a drink (you can drop a day or just keep it open but the more specific the better)

she either rejects you here or agrees and you exchange numbers, the results of all the numbers you collect will be wildly irradic, make sure to text her something right after obtaining her number, start chatting over phone and collect more

if you would like to vibe with her and not run the script that is fine, just try this as a test, make sure you approach at very least 20 girls


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:36 am 
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[/b]- I feel like I'm too polite when I talk to people. It's all meaningless small talk that doesn't go anywhere interesting.

How do I start a conversation about something interesting? How do I keep a conversation going? Essentially, I want to talk about things other than the weather, or directions, the city, etc.
Polite is probably inaccurate. "Boring" probably describes your situation better. I've followed your posts before . . . you're conflict-averse; you tend to run from it. This is something you'll want to think about on your own. What type of conflicts in the past created negative emotions and negative outcomes? Try to separate past experiences that might warrant conflict aversion to what's going on NOW.

Because NOW, a little conflict can be a source for humor, drama, and it can be a great way to engage others in conversation and gain more interest. Why do girls watch the TV shows they watch? What's in it that grabs their attention? For now, I'd say that the conversation topic is not as important as the way you approach it:

The weather:

"Beautiful day isn't it?" "Yes, it's nice." "I like the sun." "Me too."

or

"Whoa, don't you know about the dangers of UV rays?" "Your back looks like it needs another coat of sunscreen, here let me help you."

or

"I prefer the rain." "When I was a kid, I'd ask my folks to make big splashes with the car. They never did. Now that I'm all grown up, I'm free to make all the splashes I'd like. I suppose you could call me the Prince of Splash. No . . . make that the king of splash . . "

or, or, or . . . you're a writer, right?
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- I feel like I come off too young when I talk to people. This is a strange problem, maybe it's my voice? I think people see me as very innocent and young, perhaps not very dominant or alpha.

How do I come off as more dominant/leading/alpha to new people I meet?[/b


Disregard ^this. You're not trying to run a corporation nor are you trying to run for public office. You're trying to make friends and fucking a few of them.

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- I sometimes feel like I'm restraining myself or holding myself back. I hesitate in giving my opinion, saying a joke, or making an observation. I tend to 'go with the flow'.

How do I let myself loose and be more present? I want to be able to just say what is on my mind without thinking about it.

- The classic: I feel like I'm not funny enough. I seem to lack personality when I'm talking to people I don't know; it's all so polite and formal sounding... I want to be able to crack jokes and make other people laugh. I tend to be the 'funny one' among my friends, but around people I'm not comfortable around I hold myself back.

How do I get to be more funny around strangers?


By accepting that you won't befriend them all. Accept that you won't make everybody laugh. You're not going to fuck the whole campus. Again, you're not trying to collect votes for a public office. Even the best comedians experience dead nights and the most consistent pick up guys experience 'humiliating' blow outs.

If you read the newbie section enough, you'll see that it's the guys who have the least to protect(reputation) who are the most worried over protecting it. They had/have no girlfriends, they have little social life . . . and they're so worried about protecting THIS IMAGE? Of course this leads to outward behavior that hinders new friendships so the cycle just continues. Think about this cycle a bit and try to identify the easiest thing to change. What is your 'way in'? Can you tell yourself, "don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. . ."? Or is it easier to accept any and all potential consequences, both positive and negative, and change your physical behavior? Just crack the freakin' joke. It's a joke, not a medical decision in an operating room.


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[/b]- I feel like I'm too polite when I talk to people. It's all meaningless small talk that doesn't go anywhere interesting.

How do I start a conversation about something interesting? How do I keep a conversation going? Essentially, I want to talk about things other than the weather, or directions, the city, etc.
Polite is probably inaccurate. "Boring" probably describes your situation better. I've followed your posts before . . . you're conflict-averse; you tend to run from it. This is something you'll want to think about on your own. What type of conflicts in the past created negative emotions and negative outcomes? Try to separate past experiences that might warrant conflict aversion to what's going on NOW.

Because NOW, a little conflict can be a source for humor, drama, and it can be a great way to engage others in conversation and gain more interest. Why do girls watch the TV shows they watch? What's in it that grabs their attention? For now, I'd say that the conversation topic is not as important as the way you approach it:

The weather:

"Beautiful day isn't it?" "Yes, it's nice." "I like the sun." "Me too."

or

"Whoa, don't you know about the dangers of UV rays?" "Your back looks like it needs another coat of sunscreen, here let me help you."

or

"I prefer the rain." "When I was a kid, I'd ask my folks to make big splashes with the car. They never did. Now that I'm all grown up, I'm free to make all the splashes I'd like. I suppose you could call me the Prince of Splash. No . . . make that the king of splash . . "

or, or, or . . . you're a writer, right?
Quote:
- I feel like I come off too young when I talk to people. This is a strange problem, maybe it's my voice? I think people see me as very innocent and young, perhaps not very dominant or alpha.

How do I come off as more dominant/leading/alpha to new people I meet?[/b


Disregard ^this. You're not trying to run a corporation nor are you trying to run for public office. You're trying to make friends and fucking a few of them.

Quote:
- I sometimes feel like I'm restraining myself or holding myself back. I hesitate in giving my opinion, saying a joke, or making an observation. I tend to 'go with the flow'.

How do I let myself loose and be more present? I want to be able to just say what is on my mind without thinking about it.

- The classic: I feel like I'm not funny enough. I seem to lack personality when I'm talking to people I don't know; it's all so polite and formal sounding... I want to be able to crack jokes and make other people laugh. I tend to be the 'funny one' among my friends, but around people I'm not comfortable around I hold myself back.

How do I get to be more funny around strangers?


By accepting that you won't befriend them all. Accept that you won't make everybody laugh. You're not going to fuck the whole campus. Again, you're not trying to collect votes for a public office. Even the best comedians experience dead nights and the most consistent pick up guys experience 'humiliating' blow outs.

If you read the newbie section enough, you'll see that it's the guys who have the least to protect(reputation) who are the most worried over protecting it. They had/have no girlfriends, they have little social life . . . and they're so worried about protecting THIS IMAGE? Of course this leads to outward behavior that hinders new friendships so the cycle just continues. Think about this cycle a bit and try to identify the easiest thing to change. What is your 'way in'? Can you tell yourself, "don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. . ."? Or is it easier to accept any and all potential consequences, both positive and negative, and change your physical behavior? Just crack the freakin' joke. It's a joke, not a medical decision in an operating room.


Yes, boring would be the right word. I'm not even enjoying it when I approach someone - I'm doing it mainly for the sake of getting better at it. Maybe I should just be open and have more fun with interactions.

I am very conflict-averse. So building off of a conflict can help me? I see how conflict creates tension, and tension can turn into sexual tension, or whatever you're looking for in an interaction.

I'll keep this in mind in my approaches: take advantage of and build off of conflict.

"Isn't this supposed to be the rainiest city in Canada? It's been nothing but sunny! I'll never trust a tourist magazine again."

I still feel like coming off as too young or innocent is a turn off, and I think it's a problem for me.

I guess the last piece of advice comes back to not seeking perfection and not being afraid of the set's reception of what I say. In other words, it's good to be rejected a few times because it builds social stamina and EXPERIENCE. This is really good advice, something I often forget.

Alright, thanks for the help guys, I'm back out onto the streets. Let's hope I can get some more approaches under my belt.

- Sharpy

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:12 pm 
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Just like Kasabi the Master,I followed few of your posts in the past.

I dont have much tactical advise to offer.

I just thought you'd have seen much progress since you first came on the forum.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:45 pm 
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Be honest and give me a self evaluation of yourself at university.

Where do you live and what is it like? Sociable? Boring? Who do you live with? What are they like? Do you have friends, if so how many? How many times a week do you go out? Where do you go? How many girls do you know, and are any of them hot? Do you play sports? Which, and for a team? What course do you do and how many people do you know? Are there bar crawls?

Do you know any successful guys? Do you know why they are successful? I want to know why you think you're not successful and what you plan to do to change it. You give me the details so I can get a broad picture of your situation, then I (and maybe others) will have a broader idea of what we're working with.

Not as important, but how tall are you and how much do you weigh? Your body type, tall, skinny, broad, fat, short etc.


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