I've lately been going to some clubs. I also just started reading some dance floor game. All the material I've read doesn't match the kinda club I was at. The club I was at was more like a grind fest/rave. It was really loud and it was packed. I don't really dance but I can move my body and I just followed along with what everyone else did and that was to just go up behind a girl and move your hips with you up against her. I wanted to know is if I'm doing this right because I don't wanna come off as the creepy guy behind her. How should I escalate step by step? There are also some couches around the dance floor. How do I isolate from there to the couches? Then from there what do I do? As you can tell I'm not very experienced. Could you please help

big mistake is that you are going for techno/rave, go more for a regular club with were they play all types of music, for example when you are in a wedding, sweet 16 they play all types of music, that is the type of club you want. Rave, horrible for pick up, unless you are one of the top dancers that draws a lot of attention...

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Dancing with girls is one of the things I have yet to master, but I now understand the process so much better. It is just like regular courtship.

You get their Attention. I make eye contact and give a genuine smile, flirt a little basically.

You get Recognition. Once you and her recognize each others overtures, you approach/invite. I tend to invite with open body language and close the distance a little. They then close on me. A reciprocating action. If not they move away and I got my answer with out getting completely rejected.

Interact with her. Flirt a little more, basically you want to show her you want to dance with her, depending on the girl you find out how far you should advance. If she "rejects" you with movement or blocking you flirt a little more dancing and build enough comfort to dance closely.

Every girl has a different response rate. Some girls love when you are very assertive and other girls you have to ease in. This is my biggest issue with dancing with girls, some girls want you to come on strong and others feel like you are a creeper.

There is nothing I can say that will be a sure move. What I will say is if you can dance, make eye contact, and understand a woman's invitation you can dance with a lot of girls.

One thing I will say is when a girl wants to dance with you it can be difficult, especially if you don't realize all of her slight body language. If you don't recognize their body language she may have sent all sorts of signals and you just ignored them. You'll just be playing roulette going around from girl to girl until you find one that will dance with you. This can look really bad if you are "That Guy" who got shot down by every girl on the dance floor, bad social proof.

Going straight to grinding can come off very strong, so recognizing some initial attraction or interest in dancing is very very good and gives an obvious advantage verses the well maybe her, maybe her.

One of my observations is when a girl wants to dance with you she will dance in sync with you(similar style/sometimes repeating moves), her torso will face toward you more often(very difficult read on a dance floor we move our torsos very often obviously), and eye contact. They will make attempts to put themselves in your area, eye sight and personal space("incidental contact") normally.

If you want to dance with a girl the steps are the same but you must initiate contact. This means you trying to make eye contact, flirt with some body language, and open up so they can dance with you. Easy way get her to dance is to make it easy for her. Don't dance in a way where she can't start dancing with you, then comfortably(try not to rush in with out permission) close the distance just like regular courtship.

I find it easiest to go in sync with them and make flirting eye contact when you want to dance with someone. This provides a likeness attraction(falling in sync is a natural part of courtship), and jump starts courtship. One of the biggest steps of courtship according Michael Perper PHD, is falling in sync.

MOST IMPORTANT
Learn to dance, if you can't dance, then you look like everyone else. If you have some rhythm and style when you dance you will advertise yourself as an attractive mate, and more then one Woman has told me that Men who can dance are good in bed. Women love dancing with me because when I dance I make them feel special and they have a great time. Be careful not to overshoot the landing though, dancing good is great, but it is hard to dance with someone intimately with certain dances. Make it easy on her, dance with her.

Ask more if you want, I'm kind of just starting to get this down. Though I understood most of it, I was having a hard time putting into action. I'll put a blog up in the next few days about some of my observations.

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good observations poeticlyskuac

I was surprised there wasn't more stuff on dance game

Just as much as it is being said 'it's not about what you say - it's how you say it' - the very same applies to dance floor game. It's not about the moves you make and the awesome rhythm you got. It's the attitude and what you actually DO when you make those moves.

Stand next to a girl and dance all night you want. You won't get her. No matter how awesome your moves are.

You gotta make a move . . . on HER. Put your hand out, let her make a spin. She spins for you and you got yourself an 'opener'. After the spin - it's all about compliance tests. Increase your kino with the dancing until your calibration tells you she's ready to get kissed.

So examples of this would be

Spinning her
Moving in closer
Hugging her
Whispering something in her ear
Holding her hand
See if she agrees on kissing you on the cheek

. . .

And then intensifying it further and further.

I completely disagree about rhythm, women will not dance(or are quite reluctant) with a man that has no rhythm, unless they are already in a relationship. They will usually break away as soon as an excuse can come about. You are crazy to think girls will dance with rhythm-less guys, they can't dance with them because the guy isn't dancing. Falling in sync is very important in courtship, and if you can't have rhythm with them it is quite a turn off. In short it often cuts short courtship because there is no "magic"(intimacy/sexual tension) and Perper's final phase, Synchronization never takes place.

With the amount of guys that are bad lays these days(girls like a guy who is a good lay obviously), dancing can help you illustrate how good you will be at sex. Good dancing represents healthy mate, subconsciously it represents a high rate of fertilization. Women will have sex with you just because you are a good dancer just to see if the rumors are true (personal experience here, as well as studies I've read, women I've talked to, three sources of information basically).

I get invites to dance(overtures more specifically) all the time. Yes you have to make the first "physical move" but in reality more often then not they sent you signs, in other words according to most scientists even then they are making the first move. All I do is accept their invite.

You stated that other stuff so much simpler lol. The spin is great, works well. Make eye contact, flirt, and invite, your hand out invitingly. Women almost always respond to the hand invite, once in a while a denial takes place.

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I have never known how to dance. I suck at it. I'm probabaly the most rhythm-less guy at a club.
Not only are you stating that you need rhythm to get laid - but now you're also saying that it's even a turn OFF if you don't have it? Some very bold statements you're making here, be careful.

Also, rhythm =/= sexual tension. In fact, the more you move, the less tension there is.
Please share the sources of the studies you've read. Also, please show me where in the studies it explicitly says that you MUST be a good dancer in order to get laid - because that is exactly what you are stating in your posts.
This I agree with. Women will send you approach invites from time to time. However, you shouldn't be looking for invites all the time obviously. You open when you feel like opening and the invites should not be dependent on whether or not you choose to approach.

First of all dance floor game, is totally different, you do not need to talk, if you can dance huge Higher value, i average 3 make outs a weekend without having to say a word... Simple:

Get to club early around 11pm

Dance and have fun(you need to know how to dance it is so easy to learn the basics, in youtube there are all types of videos, but concentrate on sexy dance for now...)

Do not stare or stand there like an idiot (creeepy)

have fun and smile and fake singing the song even if you do not know the words(trust me it works)

Always approach front or side be 10000% confidence any hesitation you will get blown out, but do not TOUCH!


go to youtube type dance floor game, there is a guy in California that have dance floor game down to a science... Flirt2thebeat

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LOL You took this way to personally. Where did I ever say that men without rhythm don't get laid? Thanks for the assumptions, learn to read the thread neutrally before firing away at someone. You are seriously accusing me of statements I never made.

Go read the book Why Women Have Sex, Cindy Meston and David Buss, both PHDs. Both of them have a research lab based on sex and it is based on their research in the lab. These are interviews of women having sex, the book is also based on multiple studies. Don't know how interested you'd be in it, it is very science orientated, everything is based of reasoning, are you ok with that?

Are we not referring to the dance floor? I'm pretty sure we are. If you are away from the dance floor obviously rhythm has less to do it.

I'd guarantee, even if you ain't the Mack Daddy on the dance floor you have some rhythm. Just because you ain't off popping and moon walking doesn't mean you are a bad dancer. Appreciate your modesty in proving your point though.

With dancing moving in sync/rhythm is a large turn on, for us as well as them. You need to realize we are talking about a dance floor, and moving less when you are with a girl is not always a good thing. I think it is quite entertaining for you to think someone who dances moving less builds more sexual tension, I've observed a lot of interactions in courtship and the men who don't do anything when they are dancing with the girl such as moving less get abandoned for more exciting men. This is dancing not talking in a bar.

I start mentioning actual studies and you take offense that I have an actual educated statement, and you tell me things with no basis but a statement. Why aren't you required to tell me how not moving(or as little as possible) on a dance floor while dancing with a girl(if that makes sense in any way) builds MORE sexual tension? Girls dance for you when they are already attracted to you, but how do you build attraction on a dance floor where the only interaction you are getting is really just the dancing that you are limiting movement with? Talking on a dance floor is useless, you smile and act like you heard each other most of the time.

Sorry you took such offense but bring a basis to your statements, don't just talk shit to me if you have nothing to refute my statements but asshole, and yes you did come across as an asshole. I don't even understand how the hell you derived half the stuff you said refuting me, especially with no scientific basis.

P.S. Learn to read what someone is saying and you will just get so much more out of this place. Making assumptions based off of statements without actually having a leg to stand on in your argument makes you look foolish.

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You can always mess around with your wing, just have a good time when there is barely anyone on the dance floor and by you dancing well and having a good time girls will come up to you.
I generally just spin them when they come up, but the hardest thing is calibration to what they want.

Some girls take 1-2 songs to go in for the kiss, I experienced one where I spun her once and she went in for the kiss I didn't actually do anything but open her with a spin.

So the basics learn how to dance, be the first on the dance floor with your great moves, have a good time, and just open girls using spins or any other techniques and with time you will learn how to calibrate better and get more K-closes.

I was annoyed with you and I came across like an ass, I apologize Panda. I will explain to you how I look natural when I dance with a women.

I do something similar to broadcasting, I'm not the best dancer, but I can dance a little. I look to emphasize my masculinity, this includes shoulders and hip movement, I also take up more space and allow my arms to flail a little. If you can dance well enough you broadcast yourself as an attractive mate. Then all you do is look at the women you are interested in.

1. Eye Contact. This is an obvious must step.

2. Smile. This to me is great, the first time I got my friend to do this he hooked up with a girl.

3. Flirt/Build Comfort. Turn my head and/or wink, basically let them know I am interested. Some sort of signal broadcast-ed to them. This could be 5 seconds or you could flirt a little until you are grinding away.

4. Invite. Open your body language and in invite. The extended hand works very well.

5. Close the Distance. Close the distance between your bodies, more importantly close the distance between your genitals, after all you want them to at the very least subconsciously be ok with that.

When it comes to hooking up and dancing everything from here is just arousing them and building more sexual tension. Hand placement, eye contact, etc. Falling in sync is a biggie in the way of courtship(not just dancing), you can see when a couple is escalating by how often they start to copy each other, or isopraxism.

You will notice you do this with girls as well. You fall in sync, it's natural, it is just what happens, that is why it is easy on a dance floor, you fall in sync with the rhythm. You guys both have a rhythm to follow and more importantly fall in sync together with. This is something unsaid, but we all know it.

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^There. Basically, "girls will refuse to dance with you because you don't have a rhythm. Therefore, you can't get laid through dance floor game unless you ABSOLUTELY have rhythm" That's basically what your statements are revealing.

I'm making no insane assumptions - you're playing with dangerous words.
Fair enough. But since you think it's absolutely crazy to assume a woman will dance with a rhythm-less guy - I'm wondering whether or not ^those studies have proven that statement of yours? Do the studies really say "rhythm will get you laid. But for all of you without rhythm: Tough luck. You must be crazy to think a woman will dance with you guys."
In general, every single person HAS rhythm. Question is, does the rhythm fit perfectly with the music in question, or not? My point is: Your rhythm does not necessarily need to be in an awesome alignment with the music playing in the club. In fact, I don't see a lot of people in clubs that dance with a good rhythm all the time. Not even girls. Everybody just moves their bodies and go wild. Rhythm is not a necessity to dance with a girl. It's BETTER to have it, yes - but it's not essential.
You misunderstand. From what I understood by the quote below . . . . . . ^We were talking about dance floor game. So if I'm reading the above quote from the perspective of dance floor game - you are stating that you need rhythm and movement to create sexual tension. Which is why I stated that there is less sexual tension the MORE you move. There's no tension in the air if you're jumping around like a monkey but having awesome rhythm. Tension builds when you slow down and/or are not moving at all.

If you ARE saying what I thought you were - ^that is why I'm disagreeing with you. There's a social way of dancing (regular, frequent movements) and there's a sensual way of dancing (slowing down movements, building sexual tension). That was what I meant.

I like this.

All that talking on how to do dance floor game on a girl and how to start dancing with her.

Maybe i missed it.

BUT......

Most girls are dancing in GROUPS in a club. What do i say most? well more like 99%

I personally see it as a rare succes to pick up a girl from the group, dance with her and kiss without (almost) saying a word.

Amedius i disagree, dance floor game is AWESOME! you can bang a girl the same night without saying a word...

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