Recently, I have been doing embedded commands and weasel phases. Embedded commands are commands that the unconscious mind will register. In order to mark the command you have to deepen your voice a little bit and raise your volume slightly - the unconscious mind will be very sensitive to this.

Remember the time I got the blowjob in the bathroom in my lay report? The real exotic story one? Well, I used embedded commands in that one to suggest to her to give me head.

With embedded commands you can suggest someone to feel, think and have urges to do something.

You know you shouldn't want to smile.

--or--

I'm curious of when you will feel better!

The BOLD-ITALIC words are embedded commands. So, how do you apply this to a girl to make her feel an emotion? Well, I was talking to one of my girlfriends and I told her, "You are feeling horny right now, aren't you?" She grinned and laughed and she told me yes.

So, here are some of the 10 best embedded commands and weasel phases I used recently.

1) "I bet you are feeling extremely horny right now, aren't you? To the point you feel like fucking me right now!"

2) "Now, don't you want just want to fuck me right now?"

3) "You are feeling extremely closer to me right now to the point you are irresistibly becoming more attracted to me, right?"

4) "As you listen to my voice, the more hornier you feel deep inside to the point you feel wetter and wetter." (Weasel Phase + Anchoring to my voice)

5) "As you look into my eyes, [/i]you[/i] start to feel irresistibly closer to me than ever before.Would you say that's true?"

6) "As each breath you take, you feel happier inside."

7) "Listen carefully, [name]...You know, [/i]you are very attractive person[/i] and you can do better, right?" (THERAPEUTIC)

"Give me a cigarette!"

9) "It's okay!"

10) "You know when I look in your eyes I feel closer and I bet when you look in my eyes you feel extremely closer to me too!"

Maybe you should write some of your examples down. Thanks for reading!

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I love this stuff, I want to implement more of it into my speech. I'm tired now, but if I think of some good ones, I'll add 'em!

If you're going to say them in such an overt context, why pussy-foot around? Why not just get really sexual with her? I mean, if she's willing to accept any of those commands then she's going to want to get sexual anyway. In those cases I think that verbalizing your sexual intent is the weakest thing you can do. I'd get her back to my bed and let it progress naturally from kissing.
You say you have success so I'm not going to take away from you. You have your way and I have mine. Experiment with being sexual, in a non hypnotic way is all I'll say.

And just for interest sake, I mark out my commands with a downward inflection and say it the tinniest bit slower. Slow enough so you wouldn't notice unless you were told.
Something else instead, (that I TRY to do more) is to switch which eye I'm looking into as I'm saying the command. It really is the most subtle analogue mark when 1-to-1.

This NLP stuff is powerful. Almost like the dark side of the force from the star wars universe. It's very powerful when used properly and could easily be mis-used. It could be seen as a form of mind control as suggested by Style in The Game. I'm not judging, if I had these abilities I too would make use of them (in a responsible way).

I think the commands that Incubus69 is giving as example are used in a joky/flirty manner to build rapport, not as an actual way to escalate. If used as an actual escalation method then I agree with Pinocchio.

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"Something else instead, (that I TRY to do more) is to switch which eye I'm looking into as I'm saying the command. It really is the most subtle analogue mark when 1-to-1."

Got that one from Igor's hypnosis course, it brilliant, even if the other person knows about embeds it still works! Switch the command to their left eye, nobody knows why it works better but it does.

My favourite weasel phrase is "I'm not saying that you should (embedded command) It's more powerful because its precedded by a negative which isn't processed on an unconscious level.

My favourite weasel phrase is "I'm not saying that you should (embedded command) It's more powerful because its precedded by a negative which isn't processed on an unconscious level.
I like that phrase, I can see how would use it. The negation doesn't really amplify it's effect though, it just allows it to make the following words to be appropriate/acceptable.

I've started to use negation a lot lately. It's really difficult to sum up but I basically aim to spin people out of their normal thinking. An example I'll use (just because it's slightly easier to explain) is this:
Albert Einstein said “Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them.” What that means is what somebody think's is the solution is coming from the same thinking that created their problem. Therefore it could be a "dirty goal" or in some way that's not ecological.

What I am to do is take people out of what they know and into what they don't know. I'm leading them down a path, and I don't know where they're going, they don't know where they're going, but when they get there they know something's just happened.

Negation is used to open and close people different possibilities, creating a fluid chain through what they know, and what they don't know. There's SO MUCH more to it than this, Identity, Time, Space, Matter and Energy.

An example phrase would be (and trust me, the context is set up for this to not sound as weird):
"Who are you really... that is more... than only everything.. you've considered... anytime but now... any place but here... and be that now"

It's kind of hard to grasp, and even harder to explain or give an example but the point is that everything is said for a specific purpose, and nuanced accordingly. The tonality shifts and pausing, inflections and all that play a massive role.

This has come from studying Igor Ledochowski's Mind Bending Language DVD's. My Christmas present to myself!

Okay so I am reading about NLP and it seems very interesting. I do have to admit that every author of every thing i read sounds like a wanna be Jedi knight. lol. Is it possible that a lot of girls are just star wars fans?... lolz

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I really feel a hesitation about talking about NLP because it means so many different things to different people. It's a huge set of tools that frame models of perceptions of reality and the tools (or expectations) that one person is thinking about in a discussion is ALWAYS going to be different than the others so it can get very confusing.

(So, with that said, here is an example of using NLP/Erickson to help give someone a good feeling that they want already)

Yes, the whole Jedi frame can work quite well even if the girl has never even heard of Star Wars. IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN MAKE A WOMAN DO WHATEVER YOU DAMNED WELL PLEASE WITH CRAFTY ANCHORING ETC, SHE HAS TO WANT THE FEELING ALREADY IN SOME WAY.

Example, I did a Jedi move with a new young hostess at a nearby restaurant that amazes people who don't realize what I did wasn't all that complicated and even obvious without NLP if they knew all that transpired.

There were several sets of people waiting to be seated and it was obvious the girl was totally losing her composure at dealing with her new job. Her anxiety was obvious to everyone and I said hi to her and raised my palm. I said (paraphrase) "focus on my palm, and I want you to picture a calm blue ocean and notice that you may begin to feel relaxed now, you're seeing the waves, smelling the sea, hearing seagulls, and each wave feels like a wave of relaxation flowing over your body" and then I did a Jedi left to right move and slowly said "relax, calm blue ocean".

She smiled, calmed down, and started to pull herself together.

On several occasions that I've visited that restaurant I've repeated just the "left to right movement" and said "relax, calm blue ocean" and she immediately calms down, smiles, and even laughs a little.

To people seeing this, I'm a friggin Jedi and I have control of her emotions at will. To her, she just keeps recalling the moment/feeling where I was able to completely distract her (or snap her out of) a high anxiety moment. She wants to be more calm, I managed to do this, and she connects me and my jedi movement to snapping out of anxiety.

She likes to see the guy who made her feel better one day and the Jedi move helps remind her of that.

If she was an anxiety junkie then it would not have worked and she would not be at all impressed with my Jedi move and in fact probably thought I was a total idiot. As it was, she was a girl who just felt overwhelmed and I gave her what she wanted anyway.

My favorite NLP reference book for what I'm doing in my life is Sleight Of Mouth By Robert Dilts. It has excellent beginner & advanced information about conversational thinking and beliefs on both the inside (in your mind) and the outside (with others). I can't make the URL work but search Amazon for "Sleight Of Mouth".

I really like Igor's (new version) conversational hypnosis course. I really think it's the most practical and isn't about being Making People Your Biatches. It's aimed at people who want to spread value to others and get value in return. I didn't purchase the older one so I have no idea about the content.

My second favorite conversational hypnosis course is Steven Peliari's and from it I learned tons of invaluable information that COMPLETELY keeps Bad People from messing with my head and my reality. To me, his course is like Penn & Teller's Bullshait! on 100x steroids.

My main study right now is David Riker's Language Course. It's damned amazing stuff and even though he's associated with Ross Jeffries (can't stand the guy and his general attitude, whines too much about how the competition sucks in his material, wtf?!?!? good material/information should be able to stand on it's own legs!) Anyway, Dave Riker's stuff is is chock full of really great embedded, linking, presuppositions, weasel phrases, trance word stuff, pacing, tonality etc..including the kitchen sink..it's very well organized and the information is accurate and testable.

Hey man. Nice post. I've got the older version of Conversational Hypnosis as well as the new one. While the new one is much more practical, and you certainly get more bang for your buck, the older version is still very useful. It's done in more of a teleseminar style (like a lot of his masterclasses) with 2 people interacting throughout.

I've got Steven Peliari's course but I haven't actually listened to it. I'm kinda interested now, what specifically is it that makes it so good?

I've been through Dave Riker's course back in the early days. Very well put together. The examples (especially one at the beginning I can't remember) are spot on. His "linking" tips are beautiful. The best part is the conversational map thing.

For anyone who wants a relatively short course on covert suggestion, Igor's Irresistable Suggestion Masterclass is the way to go. It parallels with Riker's course more than any of Igor's other stuff. Naturally though, Igor wins hands down!

He leans more towards performance like it's an art rather than primarily a discipline, like stage suitable stuff so working with large numbers of people is covered quite a lot. The course contains all the material someone would need if they wanted a career openly doing this sort of thing.

Lots of NLP Erickson like instant induction (like i did a weak version with the hostess mentioned earlier ..touching a teenage hostess would be a bit risky as well as completely unnecessary for just quickly shifting an emotional state and anchoring it), showing how to use Mentalism so that people will go ahead and do virtually all of the work helping support your frames and lots of overlap with Igor's/Rikers stuff.

As I think I mentioned, it's the knowledge of how all the tv-evangelists, mentalists, "psychics", etc... work that was my favorite part. Knowing all of the various ways that the Bad People do things automatically caused me to be consciously aware and 100% protected against those types. I'm extremely sensitive to persuasion attempts now and when I feel it I just focus on seeing what they're up to as well as getting an education about different styles of persuasion that aren't in any books.

Funny thing about that....all of that stuff made me immune to the ways that women unconsciously apply persuasion (99%+ ARE doing it unconsciously, I can easily see the difference now, and have an EXTREMELY good attitude about women in general) and as a bonus, when I run into a female player who has consciously studied cold-reading/related and such she's run into exactly the Wrong Person to pull that crap on. I just play stupid, pretend she's almost got me convinced (sucked into the reality she is trying to create), and pull back just enough when she tries to make me buy drinks or commit to taking her out to dinner, whatever...it's like working out my psychic muscles and the more I keep resisting, the more she's seducing herself without any help on my part.

Even if I had never learned how to be more persuasive myself, just the knowledge and confidence of always being aware of ALL intent/persuasion going on is priceless to me.

The center of my rotation of studies is Igor, Riker, Peliari and Paul Scheele's stuff + some Bandler/Dilts thrown into the mix. The combination of those is quite enough to master NLP/Hypnosis without a bunch of sidetracking into doing little "jedi" tricks without a deep understanding of the theory behind them.
Riker appeals more to the geek side in that he (same with his Speed Seduction technical manual) in that he approaches from the education side and works towards experience while Igor works from the experience towards the other way. This is why I rotate my studies....work on experience, switch over to straight education, and then look for material on "styles" people have developed to help fill in the middle of my knowledge. Riker is the kind of guy who if he were teaching a car repair class would most likely spend weeks on internal combustion and other technical topics vs Igor who would have you work on the car from the start and then get more technical about it.


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Oh, and sorry about the thread-jack people But, I guess I should put my 2 cents in.....I don't use commands quite in the way all too many people do, to try to get people to do things that the commander wants regardless of how the other person feels about it....I use them more as anchors for people to feel better so I'll say stuff like "blah blah blah {create positive state} you - feel calm now - blah blah blah" and it's very powerful because I'm giving a command that is giving positive value to the person so the anchor/command sets in very fast and deep. An example of where this comes in REALLY REALLY INCREDIBLY useful is to anchor/command a couple of women at a club with ZERO intent on having sex with them. Just anchor/command a bunch of positive feelings in some nearby women and you never have to wander around opening sets.......you'll create a huge positive feeling zone that's irresistibly attractive to other women around. It's win-win for everyone, no "bad" persuasion necessary. The girls you make happy get lots of value, the girls who wander in to get picked up do it of their own free will, and you get what you want. Win-Win-Win!

And, regarding your list, 3, 5, 6, 7, and 10 are so similar to my favorites it's not worth repeating. Mine all lean towards creating positive states and watching for sexual attraction to naturally happen. It's a bit slower but just my style. Great list Incubus69!

Awesome man. Thanks for taking the time. I realize now that I have listened to some of that course. To be honest, I didn't give it much of a chance, it just wasn't for me. I'll have another listen maybe when I go to bed. I am interested in the "mind games" things you've mentioned.

When it comes to any kind of an overt style of hypnosis I generally keep away for seduction. The true art of conversational hypnosis for me is to make it as seamless and natural as possible.

I'm not much of a club gamer (have about as much luck as any average man) but girls never really ask me for a drink. I do buy them a drink though, if we're having fun; I don't see that as any kind of weakness. I've gotten girls to get me drinks before but that backfired because I didn't have much of an interest in them. You live and you learn though- don't take something for nothing.

I completely understand what you mean about Riker's and Igor's teaching style. Riker does a great job a putting it all together in a linear fashion.
Personally though I love learning through experience. A lot of the time anything but essential knowledge just limits what I'm willing to try out. I think Igor breaks down the most intangible concepts into easy to digest chunks with practical applications laid out for you.

Going through his DVD's has completely surpassed all my expectations of how easy it is to learn to do very effective hypnosis. He has such a dynamic approach.

As for the the guys in your center studies I respectfully don't share the same love. Igor is center stage (obviously...). Milton Erickson is great. I'm beginning to love Dave Dobson as well but maybe not enough yet to make the list.
As for NLP, John Overdurf and Jamie Smart do it for me. I do love to watch Bandler but the content you take away from it is so little. Dilts I tend to avoid (I find he over complicates things).

The OP definitely has the right idea, but I do agree with the posters talking about the sexual overtness.

NLP and hypnosis are very powerful tools to guide someone towards, or directly into, an idea/feeling/state especially if you don't want your intent to be obvious. My opinion is that if you are going to be so overt you need to (1) do it at the latter end of the seduction or (2) that is the style of your game (RSD-like stuff). In terms of my favourite embedded command or weasel phrase, I think it has got to be negation, there are just so many possibilities. Such as:

"You know, most people don't feel really connected with someone (SP) on a first meeting, because they can't just drop all those barriers and walls that hold back two people (gesture between each other) from really enjoying each other."

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I don't pay much attention to Bandler's content, I'm modeling a guy who models others.

I was watching a video of his where there were a lot of professional/psychiatric/skeptic types, so the audience mood wasn't optimal. Over the course of the day, he managed to pull a little trick, he conditioned everyone to start salivating on command. I was actually stunned not only because he got under my level of awareness to do such a thing, but because people who completely thought he was full of crap and had no respect for him AND should have noticed what he was up to in light of their fields of work would be effected in that way.

He was amused about how rattled the audience was.

So, I started reviewing his videos and instead of really paying attention to what he was saying, I watched what he was doing and puzzled about what he was up to and it was a real eye opener. For instance, his tendency to put on the role of a half-crazed psycho bullshait machine at times is excellent for overloading the critical factor and shutting it completely off. Then, he does some very interesting things that aren't noticeable if you're paying attention to the content of what he's saying.

As far as Dilts, he does over complicate things and I purposely study his stuff because of that much like I study DRiker and then go the other way with Ledochowski. I picked this method of learning from Dr Paul Dobransky in his Mind OS series.

His model of psychology includes the concept that Genius is Education + Experience. So, if you want to be a genius at something, get a bunch of experience type learning which isn't linear, get a bunch of education type learning which is linear, and you're filling up both hemispheres of your mind. Keep them balanced and when your mind is able to use either type of learning depending on the situation AND can combine them at times to come up with new things you wouldn't be able to do without having actually learned them at all.

I have lots and lots of "Ah-HAH!" moments by doing this. Those Ah-HAHs are when something clicks between all of that information and the education + experience combine and my understanding of something jumps up to a whole new level. I view it as my left brain seeing a match to something, my right brain seeing a match to something, and them both syncing up and building a bunch of new connections much like a PU geek type hanging out with a Biker type suddenly understanding each other and comparing notes and both becoming more successful.

So, though it's boring, I plow through Riker type stuff for a week, then Igor type stuff, practice it all, and my mind keeps making new connections VERY FAST by doing it this way.

Another way of looking at this (paraphrase of one of Dobransky's examples)

A hypothetical guy who ONLY studies education/linear type stuff usually ends up a geek who knows lots of stuff but can't deal with things when they don't go as planned....he can't wing it....and he feels trapped/limited quite a lot.

A hypothetical guy who ONLY studies experience/non-linear stuff usually ends up as a guy who can never get it together in a coherent way, he excellent at winging it, but he's really scattered and almost always ends up way off of the course of what he's trying to get to and feels lost at times.

A hypothetical guy who does both has the balanced power of both of those and is a genius who's far more powerful than just adding the education and experience together in a math like way.

So, Dobransky's advice is that if you're feeling stuck, and you're too heavy on the education side of something, concentrate on the experience type and vice versa.

I'll tell you what, it may sound like not a big deal, but there is a really cool side-effect he mentioned and it's this: by paying attention in any situation where things aren't working out and seems like you're stuck, you figure out which is the problem, education or experience, you gain the ability to accurately see where someone else is very easily and accurately.

I can see in a short amount of time of interaction with a women (extremely accurate if I can see her either under pressure and/or in several different environments) if she is a "fly by the seat of my pants" type, a "i do things methodically in a by-the-book" type way, and variations in-between. And, I can even see these levels in different things that they do because it may be the opposite for some things. This, of course, is because I have internalized it for myself so that there's a background monitor of where I'm at, so my mind automatically keeps tabs on that in other people.

I gain reference experiences by saying something that can confirm my view.....like if a woman appears generally far into being an Experience/non-linear type, and appears scattered, I might make a comment about how much late fees for bills are or something similar.....I know I'm accurate because I'll almost always get a "oh yeah, it costs me a lot, it's ridiculous how much they charge" type comments. The ones I've viewed as heavy on the education/linear type and seem a bit anal retentive, will probably reply something like "i just pay my bills on time and don't worry about it". My accuracy increases the more I test this sort of thing.

Dobransky has an excellent model. If you haven't seen MindOS or him with DDeanglo "Deep Inner Game" (I actually like DIG more), I highly recommend you see one of them. Basically, you build your own psychoanalyst, internalize it, and fix/understand yourself ("Know Thyself"). The side effect is that you can see the anxiety/anger levels in people at any given moment clearly, as well as how their boundaries are set up (or not), and lots of other great stuff that he never mentions in the courses because they'll be different for different people.

I never get surprised by people in general unless they've got a drug or other addiction that is running their behavior (I look for that and stay away from the druggies). For instance, (just one of many many examples) I don't have any moments like "omg, I never realized that girl was a controlling biatch!", I can see it very clearly within a short time no matter how she tries to hide it because I can see the micro-behaviors of her subconsciously fighting with not getting her way even while at the same time she's behaving pleasant....I can see what's going on better than she can. This isn't the goal of his model in those two courses, but it us a side effect that's going to happen anyway.

Again, I highly recommend Deep Inner Game or MindOS if you aren't familiar with them.

Sounds good man. I guess there's no better reason to study Bandler. Can you recall which tapes he does the salivating thing in?

If Dilts works with your method then go for it. I just find that what he could say in an elegant sentence, he'll say it in a confusing paragraph. There's no problem with that, depending where you're coming from, it's just that he tries to give everything some pretentious pseudo-scientific name.
I have got his book on modeling though. I haven't gotten much use out of it yet but it seems to be very valuable.

I get your method of studying. Mine is similar but I don't cross learning material as often. I'll stick with one thing (I spent a year or two crossing over all sorts of stuff but never applied it, it was only when I studied Igor Ledochowski, and ACTUALLY studied his DVD's I got decent VERY fast). My method is to not let one good idea pass me without me applying it in the real world.
It's very easy to become good at hypnosis fast, getting a broad idea of the processes. Once that's in place I started learning specific nuances, or techniques within that concept.

Most of my learning stopped coming from those anymore, I've noticed that when you're in the right place you can get away with so much. Things that I wouldn't have a technique to deal with can be turned around when stuff just flows out.

This is true especially with seduction. I don't really have any time for products anymore 'cause it can actually limit you. I have to say, I didn't do anything the first year or two I knew about this community. Then, after some flash of motivation I got pretty good (if I may say so myself) pretty quickly. Then I stopped caring about other guru's or products (not entirely true, some are still pretty good) and I started doing almost all my learning in-field. It's crazy how much better you learn without someone else's ideas floating around.

To give an example of what I mean, here's my post from another forum:
Once you're comfortable with a relaxed, calm eye-contact you can lay off it a little. The fact that you're comfortable with it, and you're not avoiding it out of insecurity shows through.
It's the same for most "techniques". Nowadays I rarely kino, don't make eye-contact as much and I tend to mumble at times. I think it works because of my energy, the place I'm coming from. It's some next level shit.