Dating sites. Dont use them! Why? Why would you? Ask yourself and be honest, how many high quality chicks are there on these sites? The real answer, not many. The high quality ones dont need to go online to online dating sites to get a date.

Besides that, most high quality guys dont need to go on there to get a date either. When you message a girl of any worth on there, in the back of her mind (sometimes the front) she already has you classified as a looser. And why wouldn't she? 99% of the guys on those sites are losers so shes just going from experience.

In addition, the sheer number of messages they get a day is fucking nuts! No matter how awesome your message is, there is a GREAT chance it will get lost in the sea of other messages she gets.

Where should you go on the net to PU women? Myspace, Facebook, other social networking sites. Pretty much every women has a facebook! In addition, less competition on there! Plenty of pluses on facebook!

Alsop, consider this: Are you using the virtual world to avoid going out in the real world to meet women? Be honest with yourself.

_________________
Never get broken up with again: the-addiction-formula-never-get-broken- ... 88794.html

I 100% agree, however i found that you can use it to make friends. You can utilize it to find a lot of pivots and girls to "hang out with"... plus most of the "quality" girls on those aren't looking for anything more than hang out anyway so they can't object to it.

If you just wanna make friends then why waste time doing it online? Go up to a girl in real life and talk. Dont worry about picking her up, just be FRIENDly.

The time it takes to find someone online you wnat to be friends with, send a message, get a response, ect... You could have met 5 girls in the club and became their friend.

_________________
Never get broken up with again: the-addiction-formula-never-get-broken- ... 88794.html

A lot of us still have heavy anxiety approaching in real life. We can't just pick up 4 pivots in a single night like you might be able to... It took me a lot of time before I was able to approach girls that I hadn't talked to through a friends group or meeting online. Becoming comfortable with being around female friends helped me feel way more comfortable approaching those I haven't met before. Also you pick up on how girls behave... It's better to just go out work up the guts and practice sarging but it's difficult for the very introverted.

ANYONE who even bothers with the online bs does have heavy anxiety in approaching, otherwise no one would bother with it.

And the way to get over AA is to go out and expose yourself to it, not hide behind a computer screen.

_________________
Never get broken up with again: the-addiction-formula-never-get-broken- ... 88794.html

"You cant find any girls of real value online"

So, so false. It may be true where you come from but I believe there is a growing trend for online dating. I think its only just become socially mainstream acceptable to not hide the fact that you are online, in say the past year.

Girls are more and more turning to online because they are fed up of the AFCs, lovable losers and arogant PUAs that come up to them on nights out (some PUAs are what they are after, but still they get a barrage of bore on a night out).

How many times have you heard a girl say "I never find decent guys on nights out".

I think we are the crest of a wave with online sarging and more attention should be placed on it to calibrate the standard game to the nuances of online dating.

That said, everyone has a field. Be it the dancefloor, the seating area, coffee shops or online. Its what suits you best. But I believe there are quality girls online, I have dated them.

MA

_________________
MagicAnalyst

It's probably a bit of both to be honest mate. Of course you will find attarctive HB's on dating sites for many reasons, may be insecure, a lot do it for approval, looking for mr right, looking for mr loaded, hot but not slutty, new to the coutry, try it out cause friend has, etc etc etc

_________________
"I guess a little small talks in order here now."

"Do I look like a gentleman to you in this shirt and these pants?"

"I know you from some place."

Because I'm not living in a major metro area with a lot of good women out on the town. A lot of professional women are being boring, staying at home during the week, and who knows where they end up on the weekend either. Crickets chirp pretty early around here on most days, whereas the online personals are open 24/7. They are a venue among venues; I'd like to have better venue options all the time, but that's not reality around here. Even with a disproportionate level of Arts representation in this town, there are only so many gallery openings in a month, only so many good women show up to them, and they only last so many hours.
So what? Do you know how to find those "rather successful" women in real life? Do you know what venues they're hanging out at? If you don't, then you work with what you've got. It doesn't matter if you think "successful people" are getting laid somewhere, if you yourself don't know where they're getting laid. Reality: professionals are busy and Life Is Hard.
So what? Women classify nearly everyone and everything as a "loser." That's their job, that's how their semen blocking vaginas work. Your job is to Demonstrate Higher Value. You've got tools, use them.
Getting responses on POF is not my problem anymore. I added a longer photo series where I look decent + am doing lots of "fun" things with other people involved. I got rid of photos that might look bad. I worked my ad copy a lot, using my writing skills and the weapon of humor to differentiate myself from all the boring personals out there. I've got good material, good enough to get a usable number of replies from women I target. Maybe my material could be better and get me a higher conversion rate, but at present it's clearly good enough to be usable. I'm ahead of anyone who thinks they can't get noticed as a rule.

My problem is these POF gals are lazy as shit. To my 4 sentences they offer 1, like 3 days later. We're having a rapport problem. On the 2nd exchange I'll go back and look at her personal for any interests or angles that I can use, but if her personal is lazy and minimalist like so many personals, there's nothing there. I've already tried to access her interests, yep, she's just being dull. I'm wondering if rapport can even be built with a woman who's boring and lazy. My current tactic is to force the issue and get her to coffee, hoping she isn't anywhere near as dull in person as she is online. My ad already has a strong statement that "the point is to have coffee, no expectations."

Maybe that's a good qualifier for my ad right there! "Don't be dull. I don't have the patience for women who can't carry on a conversation." I'll have to think about the right way to phrase that, so it doesn't come off as "Women don't want to talk to me much on the personals." I think there's something there.

I'm also thinking of trying a pay site, on the theory that if a woman actually spends money, she is invested and actually wants to get something done. $0 = 0 commitment, no penalty for flaking. I'm not sure which site I should use though.

Some very good points!

In regards to your statement about not living in a high traffic town, I can agree with turning to online but I believe facebook and other social networking sites are still a ton better than dating sites.

Also, the few hot women that are on dating sites are usually just on there for more validation and have no intentions of meeting up with anyone. Somestimes you can get them too but the time and effort it takes is hardly worth it. But, if you messaged the same women on facebook, the likelyhood of you two meeting up are MUCH better.

_________________
Never get broken up with again: the-addiction-formula-never-get-broken- ... 88794.html

Facebook is the Demon. They already own everyone's shopping information, now they're going to own everyone's sexuality. Maybe I'm ignorant, maybe they were always like that from the beginning. "The Social Network" would certainly have us believe that, but I think they're lying. Screenwriters generally don't write things that are true, they write things that have dramatic value. If you see a "bio" film you can be pretty sure that most of those "precious moments" in the film didn't actually happen, it's just a screenwriter's fiction and liberty to keep you interested. Screenwriters game us hard, LOL!
How can we actually tell the difference between a woman "who only wants validation" and one who just sets incredibly high standards that few men will meet? If we get shot down, why assume sour grapes? Seems like without a database of who she actually talked to and eventually fucked, we wouldn't know whether she "only wanted validation" or not.

I did meet a couple of gals once that said they were on the personals explicitly for entertainment, with no intention of dating anyone at all. They were serious Haters. They exist, but I don't really believe that all PITA women fit this description. A woman can be picky to the point of uselessness, but that's not the same thing. She's "trying," she's just trying in a cognitively dissonant, self-defeating way.

What makes you think high quality girls have it any easier than other girls? They don't and in many ways have it harder than other girls. As not many quality girls are going to date down, but up (which most girls aim to do anyway). So that alone limits how many guys they can actually date.
Yes some girls do get hammered with messages, but not all of them. Plus its not that hard to stick out from the crowd if you know how to.
Less competition? Maybe. Depends on various things like does the girl already has guys on her friend list and are they gaming her? How popular is she in her social circle? etc.
Do social networking sites have advantages? Yes but they also have cons as well.
Not necessarily. You forget that girls on social networking sites are going to have their guard up or be more cautious in meeting with you than compare to a dating site. There has been one to many horror story about some girl meeting a guy from a social networking site and either getting raped, killed, kidnapped or a combo of those. Yes it does happen with dating sites, but more news stories are from social networking sites.

Agreed. Also, 95% of most guys on dating sites are the kinda guys she wouldn't date in real life either. Its stereotyped that any guy who needs to use online dating is a loser. Of course thats not entirely true but most women believe its true enough to be a waste of time.
As an experiment, make a fake female profile, use a picture of a average looking woman, sit back and watch how fast the inbox is flooded. This has been done several times by people on out PU forums. Even the ugly ones gets a ton of messages.

The same woman who gets 100 messages a day on a dating sites gets around 5 - 8 a day on facebook. Much better odds for her to respond,
This applies to both facebook and online dating sites. Because no matter which medium you use to message her, she can still have people on her friends list and in her social circle gaming her.
Agree.
I've never herd of any of these horror stories. I'm not saying they don't exist as I'm sure they do, I'm just ignorant to them.

And speaking just from my experience here, to me, women don't seem to have their guard up any more than they do on a dating site.

_________________
Never get broken up with again: the-addiction-formula-never-get-broken- ... 88794.html

Online dating is attractive because the girls are theoretically there because they want to date, regardless of the ridiculous amount of girls that say they're there for friends or online quizes. Give me a fucking break, come on. Whereas when you meet a girl in a bar or on the street, you have no idea what she wants, if she's available or even straight.

But yes, online dating does suck because as much as you say men use it to avoid having to put themselves out there in real life, I find it's like 10x more likely for women. I can't count the number of shy, shut down girls I've met online; it's starting to make me think all girls are like that. But anyway, I've met some great girls, I've met some terrible ones. The spread is pretty much the same as any bar it seems.

_________________
31 and still figuring it out.