Well what you do is, move on. Of course easier said than done, but unless you want to be a 'fool' you have to man!

Don't have to ignore her, just put her in the LJBF zone, see how she feels, and for now, have no time for her. This would annoy the hell out of her, and your bound to see a reaction if her care for you is genuine.

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GAMES, she is sarging you ssooo much. "I don't manage my time well"= I will see if I got something better to do/ plans with my boyfriend . You have nothing to lose at this point so freeze her out, let her make the plans then tell her you can't cause you are going somewhere beter with another girl, or just try Mystery's kiss close. Long story short, you are feeling everyting you should be making her feel, you are in HER frame and you HAVE to change that. You are the desirrable one, the busy one, the one who will decide if you have time. You said you made plans and asked her to go, she said she was busy, you said "too bad", she said OK, THEN YOU CHANGED THE PLANS FIT HER. That should be you, she was unaffected when you said "too bad". You need to be unaffected, NOT CHANGE YOUR PLANS! Just like she chased you when you did your mini freeze out she will chase you if you are too busy or have other plans. Honestly man, I think you are her side thing and that is one of the reasons she changed it to later.

Sorry I can't type as fast as I think!

go for the kill dude. that's the only way you'll find out if she wants it or just wants the attention

She came over after her dinner thing with her friend...She apologized and I think she was genuinely sad about the whole thing.

She dropped me at my friend's house because I was going to party..I wanted to kiss her really bad and I told her and pushed her away in a push pull kinda way.

She then jumped on me and kissed me..She left and I went to the bars with my friends..she showed up laters because she said she missed me, she came and said goodbye and said ''I already miss you'' and she left.

This is it.

you better be careful man, in-case sh is playing you. She's holding the cards, turning up where you go, calling and trying to see you when she " misses" you. Make sure she doesn't become a one-itis, already seems like it's going this route. Be carefull.

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still got a number close from a hb9 that night..

all is well.

and I don't feel like she's playing me. She said in the car that she thought I was underestimating how she wanted me, but that she didn't know what to do with me, granted the fact that she had a boyfriend. I think she likes me very much but she doesn't want to let go of her branch before she grabs another one.

I'll keep watching for the lay report

Hahaha, if I can get at least that this will not be all in vain.

I'm seeing her tommorow, this is fucked up cause I'm not used to being around girls with boyfriends..and since we kissed I dont know if I can kiss her again by my own terms or she'll feel guilty and not want to do it..

Went for breakfast..Was ok! She was at a party last time she told me her girlfriends didn't think I was husband material or something, because I was not going to school at the moment (I'm going back to university next year so god knows), they thought I was very hot though, so I'm not sure if not being husband material is a bad thing. She also said she never dated a guy as good looking at me, and that she would feel weird about me having lots of girl friends.

I kept poking at her though, Like I didn't care, I stayed very alpha minded about the whole thing.

I was going to get out of her car and thought fuck it and kissed her. She said we need to stop, I looked in her eyes and knew she wanted more so I kissed her again without saying a word.

We made out a bit but could tell she was hesitating. Still I think she enjoyed it. Then she said it's not the right thing to do, to wich I replied ''You can't always do the right thing, sometimes you just gotta do SOMETHING'' haha.

When she left she called me a minute later asking if I was mad. She said she didn't want to kiss me because she didn't want to get carried away. She was speaking like we were going to date and basically saying that if we started dating and I had kissed her beforehand she thinks I wouldn't be able to trust her and she doesn't want that to happen. Still she said that if she thought I really wasn't husband material she wouldn't waste so much time and energy.

I started to detach myself a bit, I want this girl and I know what to do..I got my composure back and I think that's going to help me.

I consider myself a good PUA, with lots of flaws when it comes to LTR and Feelings.

I'll get this one.

Okay son,

Man up, wtf. You have a terrible case of oneitis here.

Rule #1: don't give a fuck.

If you genuinely care for this girl your chances of bagging her are diminished by over 9000 percent. BUT,

she genuinely likes you and wants to jump ship with her bf, so here is what you do (thank me later):

i. she is ready to bail on her bf but she needs you to prooooooove yourself because this is what they do. the way you prove yourself is by being the man. this means having balls.

ii. use your balls and do one of two things:

ii.i. next time you kiss her or she kisses you, go caveman. DO NOT HOLD BACK. Get wild with her take her and OWN her. If you do not feel comfortable doing this she will never stick with you and will simply do this same shit again with someone else (more on this later). Do not merely escalate, although let it escalate, but once the line is crossed do not look back, rip her clothes off, go down on her, take her head and make her go down on you, and then rail her until she cannot walk. she is now yours.

ii.ii. if you don't have the balls for ii.i then you can simply give her the ultimatum: "k, i like you, you like me, you have a bf, ditch him and be with me or fuck off." something to that effect. this works well if you're both good people, and you might be, but i don't think she is. she is a ho and simply wants to be treated like the little slutty girl that she is.

iii. OKAY great you got her!! - now the real trouble begins, because a girl like this craves only ONE thing: attention. you must keep her in line. if you pussy out and bring out your giant vagina (don't worry i have one too bro, but you gotta keep it away with a girl like this) and don't take complete control of the relationship she will get very bored, very quickly, and jump ship as soon as she has found someone else to wrap around her finger. The good news: keeping her tame is not that hard. Just continue to be alpha in the relationship i.e. make the decisions, guide the conversations, lay down the law, don't be needy, don't play her games, apologize when it's your fault but never apologize for wanting sex or when you're in the right. Remember at bottom that she is just a little girl and wants you to be her daddy. If you can do it, you will have a great relationship. Never threaten to end the relationship unless she has broken "the rules". The rules are simple: i. don't cheat ii. don't act like you did with me with other guys (because what we have is just so magical and special - barf ect) iii. don't lie. If she breaks the rules, lay down the law, completely freeze her out and move her into "dead to me" territory. DO NOT RELENT, EVER. If you want to forgive her, make her work for it (she will love that anyway), but it's most likely over.

iv. You didn't get her! - SO WHAT - there are so many others out there - GFTOW and balls up because you're the man and she's just another histrionic nightmare.

You're welcome.

Strong first post. I like the idea.

Oddly enough she told me that she never had sex with a guy before she was dating him for 2 months. I don't know how much truth to that there is but still.

If I do that and she freaks out it's pretty much game over.

Yes, exactly. re: Rule #1.

Man, it's all about having balls. Last time doesn't matter. Her past, doesn't matter. What she's done or hasn't done with whoever, doesn't matter. You are her future, her ballsy manly future. You can create that future, she would love it if you did. She is begging for you to just take control. NEVER apologize for wanting to fuck her brains out. If she pulls a legit 'no' then just say that you don't have time for little girls who have no idea what they want. When in doubt, be a dick. Don't be mean, but just be a dick.

Bottom line: you have to take a risk, and the more confident you are in taking it, the more likely it will succeed. You can be nice, but just make sure you go for what you want, she won't respect you if you don't. Also. For some reason you think its game over if she shuts you down. It's not. IF, if, if, if, and don't even think its possible for her to reject you (honestly it sounds like you have her in a decent spot, she legit sounds like she's ready to jump ship, she just needs a push), but IF she does shut it down, then all you've shown her is that you will take command. After telling her "WTF, k true, figure out who you want to be with" FREEZE HER OUT. Do not call. Do not text. She is dead to you until she comes to you saying she is sorry and wants to be with you and has dumped the bf.

Dude really, stop pussy footing around and beating around the bush
Tell her how you feel and stop being a bitch about it
Stop over analyzing stuff, go for what you want and stop being scared too drop her slutty ass, do you really want a girl like this in your life, if she does that too him she'll probly do the same shit too you bro

Reading this thread is painful.

This girl has you by the balls.

All these excuses she gives are lame ass women excuses. And the "I miss you"'s are just to soften your heart and keep you chasing.

IMHO, you should just set up a meeting with good logistics for sex. If you don't have sex, dump her and move on, because she's just another bitch with a boring life trying to play with guys.

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And you think it's impossible for a girl to say things like that and mean them?

I think I made her sound much worse than she really is..

I'm a really insecure/anxious/paranoid person when it comes to relationships.

Besides, my goal is not just ''sex'' with this girl. I genuinely like this one.