Hi, I am experienced in "standard" pick up scenarios but this one is a little bit tricky. Any help from you guys is really appreciated.

My girlfriend has a sexy sister that is younger than she is. I really would like to seduce her. What is the best way to accomplish this in your view?

She speaks very open about sex but I doubt there is any real true meaning, for example she says to me (joking) "Come to my home after hours" but changes the topic right thereafter. It is almost impossible to continue this kind of dialogue with her...

What is the preferred way to escalate? What do you think about ignoring her and showing her that she has no chance compared to her older sister - the mother hen - in order to make her qualify?

yeah those are ioi's

how old IS she? im not teaching u how to get jailbait am i?

neways

what u wanna do is turn the feminine/sibling rivalry on and break her gaurd down..

shes younger so its already started cuz she feels like she has shit to prove..

this one chick i flirt with has a 14-15 (BADD Tho u would never guess she was that old She looks better than her older sister) year old sister who i always tell to go away cuz shes too young.. so as a result she always calls me daddy and hits on me.. N I joked around like ok go to ur room then.. she said Ok only if I get to lock u in there with me..

think like that.. She automatically wants to be more aggressive cuz her Older sister has u.. so neg her about her age n inexperience all the time.. take an alpha.. daddy type role with her & let her do all the work.. just isolate her n start playing hard ball n make her Throw herself at you..

Haha, I don't know what to think ... is this good or bad? But for one thing I'm sure ... this is epicness!

What if her sister aka your girlfriend finds out, or if she will catch the both of you in her sister's room... Their family relation is ruined and you got an epic story to tell your friends

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Thank you for your great ideas, guys. I strongly believe in your rivalry and neg strategy. By the way my girlfriends sister is 23, she slaps me on butt because it is "so sexy"... but she complains when I touch her butt. IOI or is she playing games? What do you think?

hey man,

Yeah mate you should start playing hard.
Yeah ofcourse she is playing games. The IOI´s are there you know it. But I think she is one of those girls that always are trying to still your frame, she can do it to you but you cant, she knows this works because of her experience, guys will always try harder.

From my point of view this is whta I would do.

First dont try to touch her butt when she touch yours.... she will never allow you, its her game if you do it you will fall in her frame. Next time she touches your butt "because its so sexy"
1. just ingore her, dont even turn your face to see her
2. But if you can, just turn around and kiss your girlfriend while you slap her (your girlfriend)in the ass

The second one you will trigger jelousy... and as you know thats gold!!! She will be frozen infront of you!!!! and she will stop slapping your ass, okay maybe not, maybe the opposite (I know you like it, who wouldnt, but you have to sacrifice to keep your frame). And here is where she will start trying harder to keep your attention and even she will start talking about sex more, just must not follow her, treat her like a girl with out experince and a little girl.

From her u will have to wait for the correct time to escalte!!! and go for the kill

Remember girls will want what they cant achieve and like guys with girls around them, (thats your girlfriend hahaha)

So good luck man,

you can have the glory in your hands its up to you.


cheers

Notneedy

Great advise, NotNeedy!

By the way: How should I handle her remark that I should come over to her house after work next time before going home to my girlfriend... This is what she suggested last week.
I stayed cool and didn't comment this ... but how to avoid a trap here and get the highscore?

hey Lover 6969
Okay from here, how I see it is.... if you go there because she told you to go, you will be in her hands and she can actually do whatever she wants with you, cause she got the frame, you are there because of her.

Ofcourse you want to go, I´m pretty sure of that , so you need to reframe her invitation. What I would do is to call her and say something like this:

Pua: Hey "hbsister", I dont know if i´m right but do you have the dvd " Any movie you know she have"?, I think I saw it in your stuffs there in your home"

HB sister: yeah

PUa: Awsome!!!!!!!, we where talking about that movie with my friends and we just wanted to see it again. Isn´t that movie rocks!!!, so may I borrow it??

HBsister: yeah

PUA: Cool!!!!, So after work I just will pick it up at your home.

HBsister: okay

Pua: Wait......(after some seconds) hey I gotta go, need to do some stuff with myboss.



Its just an example. From here, you just have refreamed her invitation. Now you can go.

But be careful she dont try to come up and steal your frame while in the phone
"heeeeey so you are just coming because of the dvd´s .... okaaay!!!(in a sarcastic way)" just in case man. =), from her you have again to refreame it.... (maybe telling something suuuuuper cheesy that come up to the absurd, she will know you are not being serious.) " ofcourse not sweety, we will have best romantic dinner with candles, white tablecloth, red win and with all the stars above us…. Do you reeeeally have that movie??
Okay gotta go, see you there bye.

(using a cheesy line like this in a not serious way.... she will know its not serious but the cool thing here is that she actually is going to think about it in her mind, so its a win win)

Okay just to finish... If she opens the door with the movie (in case u use that line) and try to give it to you in the door, be prepeare just say to her. "Fuuuuuck Im pissing myself, may I allow to use your bathroom (Dont wait for her answer, before you finish that phrase you must be in the middle of the house for then)
Now you are inside from her its all yours... escalate slowly.... if there is opportunity, take it.... and use some pua material.


good luck mate

cheers

Not needy

NotNeedy, how do you note the difference between IOIs and standard dirty talk?

It seems to me the bigger issue here is that you're considering cheating on your girlfriend.

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thats a test to see if your interested... the idea is to make her work for your interest. so when she does it instead of trying to slap her ass back just be like "Aye, stop that, no free samples".

That´s a good question.

I really dont know her, maybe she is very open like that with everybody, maybe with someones and maybe just with you.

Thats what you have to investigate.

She can be qualificaying to you as she knows you have a gf and you have some kind of sexual activity and by her speaking very dirty is the way to compensate it.
But I think you should not fall in that dirty talk.

Just neg her.... "Heeyyy, are u in that age where your hormons take control of yourself???, but mmmm yeeeah thats normal in your age"

Not falling in the dirty talk will make her more attracted to you. Maybe yeah talk about sex with her, but always mantain control of the conversation.


Maybe some way to know if its an IOI when talking dirty with you would be (just if you really dont know)

"When you are at school and you feel attraction to someone in your classroom/uni., Can you see it??...Do you talk in a dirty way or you just have a good normal conversation with him?"

This is some NLP.... first you will refer it to someone else, distracting her mind that you are not talking for yourself. You will know how she is with other people and if she talk in a dirty way with everyone, you can ad another question if its no so clear, a indircte one, just be careful.

You can go along and start to refearing it to you but the purpose here is just to know more about if its an IOI. ( This only if you dont have any clue if they are IOIs)



Awsome!!!, yeah thats a good one, another could be "this shit is not for free"



So let me know how it goes.


Cheers.

Notneedy

i think that i need to be the voice of reason here (that isnt good for me) guys are giving you ideas however i aint in fact i am gonna ask just 2 questions

1) do you like/ love your girlfriend?

2) more importantly ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND? unless you wanna be on jerry springer!

cheating generally turns a girl into a hell bitch, cheating with a sibling is enough to get you a john wayne bobbitt!!!!(say goodbye to your penis)
it will end badly and they wont give you a threesome! because thats just gross!
if you wanna cheat find someone who isnt related!

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By the way, how do I avoid the LJBF trap?

On the show seinfeld they had an episode where jerry had a similiar problem and if i remember correctly the answer to your question is 'mennage a troix'