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Field report: Out with a good friend, his gf and two other very attractive women (triathalon runners too). I worked on one all night at the bar (in a college town). From the instant I got in the car with them, and for the remainder of the night I was doing my best to give off alpha male vibes, which I would say I did successfully. Great kino, dancing, I even guarded her (from behind, with my arms wrapped around her waist) for a few minutes from a guy she wanted me to save her from talking to.

Close: Bar was closing and had her isolated. I disengage from a conversation with someone else, motion to give my phone to her and say "hey christine, can I get your number?" She hesitates, and then says "yeah I can kinda be a bitch sometimes. If I give you my phone number, and I see you (or someother AFC) calling, I start to freak out, like omg omg what I do if this person is calling me?! and I won't pick up. If I give you my number and you call me, will you keep calling if I don't pick up?"

I answer, "well thats for me to know and you to find out" with a smile. At this point I have my phone back in my pocket and am feeling pretty dejected. Now in hindsight, I did a lot of things wrong:
1) I didn't work her up in convo just before asking for the number
2) I asked for her number, instead of telling her to give it to me (I was confident and forward when I asked for it tho)
3) I may have failed to respond to her challenge, if there was one.

Point number 3 is what I'm most hung up on. Was I doomed from the beginning, or was I just not persistant enough in responding to her challenge? I mean I don't want to force the number out of her, but I don't want to be a big pussy either. I'm new to looking that the game from the pua perspective, any tips welcome.

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That was most definite a congruence test and you failed. In her eyes, you weren't good enough. It's ok though, there's always a second chance.

How about another tactic to use whilst trying to get the phone number. Don't ask for the number because as soon as someone says "phone number" it makes a conscious psychological reaction that you are picking her up, whether she gives you her number will depend on if she's attracted to you.

Instead say something completely different that doesn't have "phone number" in the sentence so the reaction isn't created. Such as "what would be the best way to keep intouch?" or "I enjoyed our conversation tonight, what steps can we take to keep intouch?" she will most likely give you her phone number. If on the odd occasion she doesn't give you her number then bummer, say smiling "it was nice meeting you" and simply walk away.

AFCCoffee

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IMO this is how you should've replied (with a slight smile to show that you're not upset):

"No, I won't. Just answer when I call."



Sometimes that really direct stuff works wonders. Example: I was texting a girl (slightly older than me) yesterday and told her I wasn't big on texting, I'd call in a few minutes.

She replied that SHE will "dictate when we speak", and was busy. I replied, "I don't care how old you are, you're a woman, so I run the show. I'm calling in a few minutes."

She ended up asking me to have drinks with her last night. I couldn't make it work with my schedule, but the point is that any other weak, indirect response to her BS and I would've failed the shit test.

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I need to shift my passive-aggressive attitude forward a little bit. Thanks for the tips guys. I'm starting to pick up on these shit tests more often. It helps thinking about how I want shape future exchanges like that.

She is a psycho attention whore anyways (rationalization I know). Crying (literally) to her friends half the night after we left the bar. Shoulda put some schwarz in her world to make it all better

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