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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:04 pm 
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Not sure if this is the proper protical, please advise: I am a journalist doing a story on seduction strategies and interested in talking to PUA',s accomplished, budding, those somewhere in between..... What attracted you to learning more about this lifestyle? How challenging is it to implement the strategies? How effective? I would love to hear what tips you may have for others getting started, your successes, challenges, etc.

Maryanne MacLeod


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I think most of us were attracted because at one time we were the butt of women's jokes. We're just turning things around and learning the confidence and skills necessary to reverse the situation.

I'm a newbie here, but from what I've heard, the Game is extremely effective.

My personal reason for doing this is so I finally know when I find a female I can trust. I've been through too many devastating situations with women where I've been betrayed. I'm learning this so I can eventually get good enough at reading women that I know which types are worth going for, and which types are not...and enjoy my single life a little bit while I'm doing so.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:34 pm 
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Hey James -- Wow! that was a pretty honest and insightful post. How did you find out about the forum? Are you a "Mystery" enthusiast or ? Which ideas/strategies have resonated with you thus far? Have you tried any out yet?


Still also interested in hearing from other guys out there.... how easy or tough are these PUA strategies to implement? What kinds of reactions are you getting? I'd be curious to hear success stories and otherwise.

Maryanne


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If you really are looking for some insight, go out right now and by the book "The Game", by Neil Strauss. It is quite possibly the most abused, overused, simplified, overrated, insightful and entertaining piece of literature into the world of PU. I talk bad about this book because there is no doubt it has become the Bible of PU, and every artist at some point in time reads this book. However it takes more perseverance than just reading some books. You have to actually implement these ideas, and crafting good game takes more practice than some sports. It is also key to realize that not everyone is here just to get girls. Yes, that is the main idea. But by having a fulfilling romantic life it allows the time for the practicioner to do other things they love, and become damn go at because they don't need to always be chasing girls. Finally, its a community built on more than just Mystery. Contestably the best PUA in the game, the idea is bigger than one man and seeks contributions from handfuls of experts all the way to the little guys out there practicing whenever they can. By sharing these ideas, we are making each others lives better by a whole. A sum greater than its parts.

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As an aside, you may want to post this thread in the "PUA Lounge", it has a much larger audience than the "Introduce Yourself" board.

What has helped me the most so far are the non-threatening approaches toward meeting women. Such as setting false time constraints and starting with an opinion opener: "Hey, I've only got 5 minutes to talk, then I've got to get back to my friends. Who do you think lies more, men or women?" Of course, this is a lot less threatening to a female than going up to her and asking her directly for her number, and allows her to feel that she's in charge of the conversation, and you're going to be leaving shortly anyway, so she's more apt to lower her defensive boundaries and talk.

Of course, this is a simplification of things, there are so many non-verbal signals going on in any conversation, that the whole idea of becoming a Don Juan is to become aware of all the subtexts going on in any conversation. Just by looking at a crowd of males, you can often identify the alpha male in any given group. He will be leaned back the furthest, other males will often look at him before speaking for validation and approval, the whole group will seem to swarm around him, and others will mimic his body language whenever he shifts postures. This is the male that females want. And that is what everyone on this forum already is, or is striving to become.

You really should talk to some more experienced PUA's, though, M. Start with the Newbie Questions forum, and browse some of what people have been talking about, and answers to common questions. Then repost your query in PUA Lounge. You'll get some great responses there.

If you want to know my story, look in the Newbie Forum for my thread about anger issues with women. I just got over a recent suicide attempt due to a failed relationship with a women who lied to me, cheated behind my back, and eventually left me for another male. Shortly thereafter, I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, a social condition that, briefly, means I am unable to read social cues, respond properly in social conditions, or understand body language very well. So I am working an uphill battle to get my skills up with women and to be able to relate to the opposite sex. And I am so glad a place like this exists for me to do so.

To tell you the truth, though I am a Mystery fan, I discovered this whole community when I was 15 years of age. I'm 23 now. I used to post over on the SoSuave forums, but I never got into the whole seduction scene the way I should have. Now I'm re-educating myself with something I should have done years ago.

This scene's been around awhile. It's just now that the spotlight is starting to dawn on it. I would say it's a good thing, as long as, like the force, you don't use it for the dark side (i.e. seducing married women). It gives hope to those of us who have been failures with the opposite sex all along. And really, you have to take into account women can be as dangerous as men, just in different ways. Where a man can be physically abusive, it's very easy for women to be manipulative or emotionally abusive, or to withhold sex. This is just about evening the odds for men, since they have to do most of the approaching anyway, and those of us left in the dark while we watch other males walking off with the prettiest girls...well...this is our revenge and our salvation.

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And yes, the scene is bigger than Mystery. Though right now he's been the biggest cog in our machine-work, the scene existed long before him, and will continue to exist long after him. As long as men chase women, there will be those who seek the hidden knowledge of seduction.

PS: Where will your article be posted, M.?

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Hey Pokernumen: how did you find out about this site? What about it appealed to you? Have you applied any of the techniques? Which ones appeal and why? Which ones don't and why? What reactions have you gotten so far? Are these reactions different than the ones you got in the past?

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I might also recommend "the Art of Seduction" by Robert Greene. Most of us here aspire to be James Bonds of a sort, and it's more than about women, it's about improving ourselves and developing some sense of class.

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I might be one of the more unique cases here, because I'm not here because I want to become a guy who can pick up any girl out there. I'm here because I want to become a better and more perfect person, and it just happens that a lot of the PUA stuff improves a load of other qualities. (Though the side-effect of picking up more and better girls is real nice)

I guess I'm following more what David DeAngelo teaches. If you want to write an article you need to really check his material out, it will give you a lot wider perspective of the pick-up scene.


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Mary,

I've replied to your private message. I'm open to an email conversation if you want. But don't expect me to be the best Don Juan on this board. I'm currently situated in Southern Utah, and there are hardly any bars or clubs here. Most of my experience came from when I was living in Seattle and hit up the bars there, especially on karaoke nights.

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Hey there. to answer your questions

how did you find out about this site? My friend told me about the book the Game and The Pick-up Artist. You could say for a woman she's a PUA too so I went and bought the book and found this site in the meantime. I actually decided to post here initially because there's a girl I'm pursuing who has a boyfriend and i was hoping for some advice

What about it appealed to you? It's interesting to learn new things and my specialty is the psychology aspect of it all

Have you applied any of the techniques? While I like some of the routines and games many of the techniques aren't my style as I prefer quality over quantity. The majority of the girls i've closed have been ones that turn down every other guy because if a girl is easy to catch it's no fun now is it?

Which ones appeal and why? I enjoy cube as well as negging. My favorite is getting them to make the first move as it completely reverses the chase and the game entirely. Instead of just getting them to start qualifying, I get them to make the move which i'm not sure it would fall under

Which ones don't and why? some of the routines are just boring and don't work on intelligent women. The majority of women I go for have ivy league intelligence and those definitely don't work on them so I create new twists.

What reactions have you gotten so far? Well, I've only started with this whole thing for what, a little less than 3 weeks now and I've pursued three women. So far i've gotten one F-close, got a number from another but after going to lunch decided she was a bore, and the third has the boyfriend who i've made quite a bit of progress on since.

Are these reactions different than the ones you got in the past?
Honestly I can't answer that. I've always been the relationship type until recently and whenever I go out i don't go sarging as I don't go from person to person picking up as many numbers as possible as it's a pain in the ass to delete that many later.
The F-close was the first time I've actually gone out just looking for fun
and nailed it right on the head. Enough so that every guy at the party I went to worships me now which is quite funny.

I guess you could say that the reactions I get are the same as in the past. The only thing different is I have a few new skills to increase my percentage when I do choose to pursue somebody or have them pursue me for that matter. I just have a lot less failures now.

good luck with everything and feel free to ask more questions. and also, which media outlet do you work for?


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Hey! I'm a newbie! Well, sort-of, I've known about PU for about six months now but only tried implementing it for the last few weeks. I'm a political science student and very interested in gender relations on pretty much every level. So that's another reason why I'm so into it, as well, obviously, to get laid.

If you want I also love talking about myself 8)


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