After finally breaking into the game and realizing how manipulative women are, and how often they cheat/look at jerks, I guess I've kind of hit a point where I've become extremely misogynistic and don't even want to try. I was wondering if any of you went through it, and how you got out of this rut.

I'm not an extreme success with women so far, and I'm used to being blown off, getting involved with stuck-up female that only see their perspective, and the like. So I need some help working on my belief systems so I don't internalize any more of this Misogyny, or else I know I will stop even trying and start hating females again.

Anyone, please help!

P.

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i've never hit that snag simply because i was born with it so i dont even go for that type of woman.

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You know what your problem is?You're putting the pussy on a pedistal.

Just wanting to get out of the rut is a good start....

try looking at women like they are angels and that you are screwing angels (coolest feeling ever)

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"GTFO MY INTERNETS"

- key1master

This would help if I was screwing them. But I'm not. After a little while of being the omega male, you start to realize that women--even the kindest ones--will screw you over and hurt you if they're not interested. It starts to seem they're ALL cruel, and that none of them are worth even the slightest bit of effort. Hell, even if you end up married, what have you won? A girl with the potential to cheat, who probably will, and the possibility of a divorce, in a country with the divorce rate over 50%. I know this is pretty cynical, but bear with me... Women have all the power. And therefore I fear them. And therefore I hate what I fear the most.

I've just watched too many men, including myself, be hurt by these ravenous beasts.

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The Fire of Prometheus beckons the willing.

Think of it this way dude.

They screw us over when we're not interested...

We screw them over based on whether they look good or not.

They're fat,we make sure to tell fellow people to watch out.

If she's a slut,we tell fellow men to GUARD them.

Although necessarily we dont want to(Personally,I have,and would NEVER,as it is detrimental to human relations),most end up doing it,because let's face it,a lot of people,male or female,love to cause disadvantage to others.

Hell,men cheat just as much as women(SLIGHTLY less,suprisingly),because of one factor:Who's hotter.This is why men cant be justified.We judge women on animalism.Women judge men on emotional though.

Until we can come together at a peace summit and promote an alliance between the sexes,promoting fucking whomever we see and however we want,the dynamic will exist.

Women will be bitches,and men will be assholes.

...EasyLover,AshleyL,can either of you get here?We need female perspective.

anyway,hope that helped Pyro.

EDIT:If women are Ravenous Beasts,I guess we're legitimate bats out of hell. xD

Men are manipulative too, get over it.

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Hey there,

I'm sorry to hear what you're going through.

I don't take offense to anything you're saying, though.

I've gone through my fair share of "man-bashing" stages lol... I was quite a few years younger and extremely immature, but nonetheless. It does happen.

You really have to think about why you feel this way. If you've been seriously hurt by a woman, betrayed, etc. then it's understandable why you might feel as you do. Not reasonable or okay, but understandable.

More than likely though, I think everyone tends to displace dissatisfaction onto other people/things when the root of it is really dissatisfaction with yourself.

Have you developed beliefs that you're unaware of? Things like... maybe you feel if you aren't successful with women then it means something about YOU as a person?

I'm sure you're a fantastic guy and would be a great catch. Try not to generalize people because of your experiences though.

You're completely unique. The guys in this forum are as well-- and don't have the same mind set, expectations, goals, life as you...

And I'm sure you wouldn't want to be pegged under the "asshole" label that TONS of girls have generalized about guys either, would you?

There are girls, and there are women.

I think you've just had bad experiences with girls who think they were women.

It happens a lot.

The good news is that all this can be worked out

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Thanks Ashley, BlackBull.

If you want to know what really went on, I went out with a girl a few months ago, we fell in love and wanted to be married. Anyway, she ended up cheating on me, and though I forgave her, eventually she ran away with another man, after breaking every promise and trust I ever had about women.

I've had plenty of other experiences like this, so this wasn't the only one.

It was just the most devastating.

The final nail in the coffin.

Anyway, to make things short, I ended up making a suicide attempt and ended up in both the psych unit and the trauma unit of the hospital for a couple months of my life. I'm doing better now, but I see reason to learn the game. Mainly because I'm tired of being such a failure with women, and tired of not understanding where I go wrong.

I've mentioned it on another thread, but I was eventually diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, which means I can't read social cues very well, have trouble with my own and reading others body language, et cetera, et cetera. So I do my best to try to understand and relate to other people, but I have a high IQ and a relatively low EQ, and it makes it hard for me to relate to others when most people are the opposite.

I spent most of my life thinking I would find that "one girl" and everything would be all right, but after years of abuse at the hands of females, and after this final one, I'm not so sure I have faith anymore to take things where they need to go. And frankly, I feel overwhelmed by all this information.

To really get to the core of the matter, I'm not new to the seduction community--I discovered it when I was 15 on the Internet, and used it to try to meet college chicks. Needless to say, it didn't work completely as planned, mostly because I was young, and going through an abusive child situation. I never completely "grokked" how to act around women and how to relate well.

Anyway, years later, hearing about Mystery reminded me of this community, and now I'm trying to relearn all the stuff I should have learned when I first discovered this community at age 15. I'm 23, and I've got a life ahead of me. It hasn't been easy to make it even this far, but I want you people to understand I'm trying very hard to make things work for myself now, and to understand where I went wrong in the first place, and I'm feeling a little overwhelmed, and hurt by all that has gone wrong and happened in my life in the first place.

So if I come across angry and bitter, that's why. I don't mean to make this into a sob-fest. I just think my end of the story needs to be told. I've always been the one to get the short end of the stick, even if I look handsome, have a great smile, et cetera. And this, this community, this seduction, is me just trying to pick up the pieces of my life and get things to how they should have been in the first place.

And hopefully, when all is said and done, I'll still believe in love.

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The Fire of Prometheus beckons the willing.

Women do not have all the power.

And neither do the men.

You have the power. Your perspective is your reality, thats it.

Im almost an extream optimust, its all about your frame of mind.

I dont see women who are bitchy/mean etc to me as someone I hate. I just realise they have somthing going on in their life that they need to sort out, im just sad that she choses to take it out on me, and that i cant help her.
There is always a reason behind every action, you just have to change your mind-set to realise what the root problem is, usually its a personal thing with them, and you can no longer be offended by it since you realise its them who is suffering/ has a problem.

I read in 'Seduction' by Robert greene, that for thousands of years the inequality of sexes, with the women on the losing side for so long leads to make alot of women feel powerless against men, in all fields but one...sex.

A man may rape a woman, but hes does not get a good lay if shes not into it. Sexual interaction is somthing women have alot of power over. I guess some women like to exercise it. Keep in mind as soon as that woman gives it up, she loses all the power she had over the man.

People need to feel important, cheating is bad yes, but almost always it is because their partner cant provide what they want for them, be it extream sexuality, money etc... for men and women.

All you need to do Pyro is a find a girl whos values you can satisfy, and be aware of changing needs and follow suit. Its a very forefilling feeling as a human to be able to satisfy the needs of another Human, especially a partner.



Quick question: AshleyL do you turn Pick up around and use it to seduce men?

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I do not.

I'll mess with guys some times (their heads, that is). I have a boyfriend though it's unnecessary to take it further.

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I'm going to PM you with my feedback hun.

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i think your problem is you want to fall in love. your sopposed to just.......fall if your looking for it you'll rush, getting yourself hurt in the process.

with your problem with seeing social cues it's gonna be hard, not impossible but near, why? because to a random girl you are a random guy very expendable so they'll toss you whenever they see fit. which is why seeing ioi's & such help you can motify to keep her interested and whatnot.

+ dude your 23 these are (i dont even really believe the hype but w/e for the sake of the argument) best years of your life you can look for the "one" when your 35 or something i think that's why america's rate is so damn high fukking idiot getting married and/or pregnant at like 18. live your live then think about cobining 2

hint: stop caring . stupid hint i no yes but it seems like you take life too seriously, nothing NOTHING is worth taking your life.

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You know what your problem is?You're putting the pussy on a pedistal.

Hey man I've been there. I would be pissed off with all women because of being blown off. Then I would some beautiful lady walk by me, or something like that, and I would be back to liking females again. So my advice is not to let a few bad situations change your whole outlook, because there's so many women out there...beautiful women....women waiting to be gamed and picked up. I hope I helped. Be easy

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think about it this way its not women its everyone. i bet there are millions of women who have been fukked over worse than you and think "all men are assholes". this is just the way things are and i soppose being stoic helps me deal with it but you have to just learn that there are in fact (no exaggeration) over 9 billion people on the planet and you will eventually meet about (on average) 10,000 of those people(with different lenghths of course) so what one person thinks or does to you has no real value.

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You know what your problem is?You're putting the pussy on a pedistal.

think about the women as helpless little bunnys and there is nothing that they could do to hurt you because you are a bear and will go in with your claws and teeth and rip them apart. For mental imagery only. I think it from Swingers