I'm new to this stuff; in fact, this was my first time sarging with any kind of PUA knowledge. I went to the restaurant where I work and hung out in the lounge area. Two reasons for this; first of all, it was familiar territory, so I was comfortable and knew the angles/exits/quiet spots/etc. Second, if things didn't go my way I could still have a beer with friends.

I sat down near the bar (as employees we can't sit at the bar... ever) at a table with a view of the entrance. Within ten minutes three girls, a 7 and two 8s came in and sat down. Normally this wouldn't make me nervous, but armed with the knowledge that a priority target had just entered gave me serious butterflies; that will improve with experience.

I waited until they had food orders put in so that I wouldn't get interrupted by a waiter for a few minutes and casually walked by while faking a cell phone conversation. I glanced over and made eye contact with one of the 8s, the non-target (she was a blonde; I prefer dark hair, and the other 8 had it).

*Note- I don't have a tape recorder, so this is as accurate as I can remember it... and I have a pretty good memory.

Me: Hey man, hold on [faking cell convo], let me ask these girls over here... I'm sorry ladies, I need a female opinion here. Which is a bigger turn-on when a guy is picking you up on a first date: an expensive sports car or an SUV with a couple kayaks strapped on top? [I used this line because my family has each, and thus I could use the answer in my favor].
Girls: Ummm... [they look around], we don't know! [I shall refer to the girls now singularly, the 7 as 7, the blonde 8 as 8, and my target as T.
8: I guess it depends on the guy's personality.
Me: [Faking cell convo] Dude, relax, I'm getting expert opinion here. [To 8] Please, continue.
8: I mean, like, if the guy comes off as a rich lawyer but pulls up ready to take a hike or go kayaking or something, I guess it's more of a turn-on than if he fits the profile.
7: Yeah, that makes sense, or if the down-to-Earth guy pulls up in a Benz, I'd be like, 'let's take a ride baby!' -giggles-
Me: OK then, which would you prefer? The kayaking lawyer or the rich woodsman? -giggles-
T: The rich woodsman.
Me: Well aren't you vain [my first attempt at a neg]. [Into the cell phone] Yo man, I gotta go, peace. [To the girls] You ladies expecting anyone this evening? [Shake heads no] Of course not, cuz now your party is complete .

I fluffed for awhile, generally ignoring T. I was afraid to neg her too much; I don't have a grip on how much is too much yet, so I left it at one time. The food came, and I exited under the pretense that I had to make a business phone call. After smoking a cigarette outside I walked right past the table of girls and sat back down at my original table. However, they only gave me a wave goodbye (and three smiles) when they finished and left. Mind you, all this took place between 7:30 and 8:15, dinner time, but I don't know if that had anything to do with it.

Criticisms? Feedback?

Grayson~

The butterflies never go away. You just learn to appreciate their presence. ^_^

First, the phone conversation is an alright wing, and your opener was a good one (I may be forced to use it later, because I walk everywhere). You should have had a story to back it up, though, something related to your buddy on the phone.

Don't fluff. Should I ever find you fluffing, I shall be forced to be seriously wroth with you. Every sentance in your interaction should have an emotional impact, either in the form of an open-ended statement, or an open-ended question. Fluff is useless, and does not serve your needs at all.

Your neg was a good one, but should have been directed at her friends instead of her directly. "Is she always so... vain?"

Other than those little tweeks, I think you did quite well.

Assuming I took your advice on the neg, should I have given her some form of signal that it was playful, or play it off as serious?

If the latter, how do I react if she or her friends get pissed?

It's always funny. The nod that you give the girl in question is that you say it with a gigantic smile on your face. In fact, you say everything in your opening game with a gigantic smile on your face.

If she gets pissed, it's because she can't take a joke. And do you really want to wake up next to a woman who can't take a joke? I know I don't. Eject gracefully and move on to your next set.

Perfectly explained; I get it.

Hey man you did good , some comments only:

1. No time constants

2. The story to complete your opener and hook them into the conversation:


Me: OK then, which would you prefer? The kayaking lawyer or the rich woodsman? -giggles-
T: The rich woodsman.
Me: Well aren't you vain [my first attempt at a neg]. [Into the cell phone] Yo man, I gotta go, peace. [To the girls] You ladies expecting anyone this evening? [Shake heads no] Of course not, cuz now your party is complete .


* Me: Oh I just remember something that happend to me the other day...
Do you girls come to this place often ?

Girls: no / yes/ sometimes.

Me: Anyway I was here the other day with some girls and when we were entering the place two girls start a fight .... Bla BLa

Move to the next routine

You get it ?

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What I think xfman is getting at is what I call a re-thread. I'm not sure if that's common pick-up lexicon or not. I'm not sure where I got it from.

Re-threading occurs whenever there is a lull in the conversation. When it seems like you are losing the interest of the set, throw in something new. Usually, it comes in the form of a new opener. Other times, it comes in the form of a story. Some folks do magic tricks or some other form of performance. If it seems like you are no longer the focus of the group's interest, re-thread and up the ante a bit.

I always open with my least sensational opener (my fingernails; they're always painted three red and two black to a hand). When it looks like the conversation is starting to lag, I'll up the ante with Dinosaurs, or Nom de Penguin, or Make-up. Sometimes, if I'm in a low-energy set, I'll start with something a bit more extreme (two-sets get hit with Make-up a LOT), but I try to come in a bit under the radar and constantly up the level of energy until I'm ready to isolate.

The cell phone is a good openner..... just hope it doesn't ring when you are "talking on the phone." I had a buddy do that once... it was hilarious. But anyways... for me personally, those girls seem shallow. I like the creativeness on your openner, but Sports cars and SUVs + kayaks = money. I will say I will not use how much money I make in a conversation. Sure your family has alot... but for me... (I say this for myself, you can do whatever you want, as it is your game and I am giving my two cents). For me it is more on my personality and how I can game the women with my wit. I have only now accepted I am good looking to women (THANKS MONKEY). But if I wanted to bring money into the equation, I could get a shallow girl quick. I work in the oilfield industry so I see money. But I will never brag about this. If a friend asks me I will say I like the money i make. Nothing more nothing less.

I personally think for your next sarge don't bring anything related to money into the gaming equation. You shouldn't even have to bring up a subject. If I heard that at a bar, I would have negged the shit out of those girls for even answering the way they did. But that is just me and I am just like that. I appauld your use of coming up with something orginal like that.... it's just not an openner I would use.

I see your point on money; perhaps I took the wrong angle. However, money was not necessarily the intent in this particular instance.

Basically, I had a very well layed plan and completely lost focus of it. I had my first few lines scripted perfectly, but not knowing what to expect I wanted to stay flexible. Instead of sticking to my plan I reverted to AFC fluff.

How I planned it was like this; find out which one the target preferred and, after sufficient negging, use it as a common point of interest. For instance, she likes the kayaking; I tell an amusing anecdote about something that happened to me kayaking. She likes sports cars; I tell a story related to the sports car that doesn't make the car the focal point... it's just a tool to get to the amusing story.

I like talking about something I actually have knowledge/real stories about, it's easier for me (at least now). I can use the kayak story or sports car story for two reasons; qualification and maintaining interest, if not outright isolation. Practice makes perfect

P.S.- I had my phone on silent with no visual indicators of it ringing, just in case I did get that call

I know what you mean about telling stories with stuff that you have knowlegde of. Thats a good thing to do, you really don't wanna be caught in a lie. When I tell stories I will tell things I know of, snowboarding, cars, drinking, quading... adventurous things. I find that when you tell stories of you doing a physical activity like snowboarding or whatnot they tend to listen more, because it shows a sense of adventure.... correct me if I am wrong though, just speaking from own experience.

There is nothing more interesting that a funny but adventurous story that just happend to you. Yeah you can give some little details that shows you have money to DHV. But dont get stucked in the money thing cuz girls hate guys liek that. (Im not saying they hate rich man, they hate when someone tries to impress them with money)

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I understand completely; I was actually pulling for my Target to choose the SUV with the kayaks as the car she'd prefer, cuz the stories would have been better.