Nice post.

You descriptions of the Omega Male all point towards myslef, thanx.

What r some ways we can use this to our advantage at parties and daygaming?

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I really like this post (y) you described me in everyway. nice to know im not strange or weird or something =)

I found something sincerley wrong with the topic.

It was YOUR party.

The person who throws the party is seen as the Alpha male in everyone's eyes. Hosting a party means you get to walk around and talk with everyone. You are already perceived at a high social value for hosting the party and inviting all the people. Its your party, do what YOU want.

It sounded like you made to much of a push to getting the girls to play. Its all push pull. You pushed the girls to do something, they dont want to, you pull out and play with some guys. The girls will come eventually. I believe gambler put it amazingly, Seduction = Attraction - the amount of effort you put in. The less effort the better.

i love this concept and you have opened my eyes to what i have been the entire time and never realized. thanks for the great post man!

And he cries if he wants to...

The fact is that I actually like your post, not just for the reasons the others bring up but because you actually still hide from the topic at hand. The omega male is not so much different from the beta male. He is a sort of beta male, the step below. Now I do not want to make you feel bad man, great post and as all of the others have pointed out, you just described me when I was an AFC.

Basically, your analysis is quite good but to go deeper, what causes the "omega male" to act as he does? Is it a choice to distance himself from the regular social structure? Yes it is. For good reason? No.

Alpha males... Leaders of men... True!

Beta males, trying to suck up to the alpha male wishing they were in his shoes? Close.
Beta males are everyone who is not an alpha male. Everyone who is lower than the alpha in status. A place can have several alphas, depending on group structure and an unlimited amount of betas. What you describe in your post is a wannabe. The beta who someday wants to challenge the alpha.

Omega males... (I still call them betas.) These are males who observe, wait, distance themselves etc from others. The reason is that they do not want to compete. They estimate their chances to win the fight to very small so they avoid it. If you do not try you cannot lose. So they keep their selfrespect intact by never approaching the thing that they are afraid of. Cowardly? Maybe but most of us act this way every single day.
To choose to not appear on the scale is to hide from progress. It gives us the chance to only listen to one persons opinion, our own. We think that we are better than the rest because, well lets face it we are our own universe. We set the rules and according to our rules we are great. If we are not great, we just change the rules to become great. Problem solved. However, we still envy alphas, we still compare ourselves, we still know deep down inside that we suck bigtime. This conflict is bad. Bad self confidence hello! We know that we are judged by a lowlife loser too afraid to even take part in real life, who has to escape into his own universe to feel safe! That bothers us.

How do I know this? I spent most of my life thinking like this.

How do I think now? More or less the same way but from the alpha point of view. I still think that my own opinion is more important than others. Why, I just said that it is a bad thing right??? No, because now I am the alpha male, why would I care what a beta male thinks? I am no longer watching the scale from the side, I watch it from above. The only reason I do not appear on the scale is that it does not go far enough. Why would we care about the opinions of people below us (naturally only concerning our own selfimage, we should always care about other people!!).

New me: Am I an alpha? Yeah sure whatever, in my world I am. Who cares.

Old me: Am I an alpha? I dont wanna judge myself I just wanna be left alone in my own world, go away I hiss at you and throw ninja turtle action figures after you.

So you see it all comes down to alpha or beta anyway. Either you are on top or you are not.

Ezo

The reason why this post would sum up a lot of the guys is because thats exaclty what a PUA is.. sneaky, manipulative..and has learned the tricks to seduce women.

Alphas are usually the obnoxious types that do get women, but can't really seduce them like a PUA can! remember that.

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not always. take the film kidulthood for example, that party thrown at the end of that was not by an alpha male. he was trying to be cool

This is not true! You describe what a rAFC thinks that a PUA is. You are not a PUA until you have rid yourself of those misconceptions... All the sneaky manipulative stuff are just tools to get you through the hard part when you learn. Once you are ready, you dont need them.

No man, the ability to be alpha is not genetically encoded. It is easier for some who are naturally big and strong but it all depends on your attitude.

I'm going with Ezo here dude. You can't try to be alpha. Just do you. Doing you makes you alpha. Having the confidence in yourself to pick up women makes you alpha. Doing what you want makes you alpha. You can't fake it. You can transform yourself to be it.

There are no genes here that make you alpha. You might think this because growing up you may have noticed the alpha males have had alpha male fathers. This behavior is learned. Living with an alpha role model all your life will make this behavior natural. Anyone can become an alpha male through transormation, but it has to be natural. It comes from within, not from what you do on the outside.

The Omega does not lead men. Leaders have desirable traits that others want to follow. Having no followers is an undesirable trait. If you are really out there having a better time and meeting more girls, people will want to follow you.

A PUA is not sneaky and manipulative. Everyone loves the PUA. The PUA picks off girls from beta males because he can seduce the whole group. He is confident, and alpha, NOT "omega."

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This seems like one of those things, that is great advice for some, and only a distraction to others. The most important thing to remember is be who YOU are. ALL the time.

Your reading to much and over thinking your place. There is usually no such thing as THE ALPHA in a diverse social situation, there can be a number of Alphas at any given time. By fretting over being the most Alpha of the Alphas, you undermined yourself into thinking your less than a Beta.

Practice some meditation, it will help you in Natural Game, since it will help you realize that as long as you try to do anything, your not yet actually doing it. Basketball players don't "try" to play Basketball, they just do it. Or as the little green man from Star Wars once said "Do or do not, there is no try".

Ahh another post sumed up into the age old battle between alpha and beta. Anyway this post goes deep i myself would say that i'm probably more of an Omega. Why? Because i don't command a large group with me I take a friend whose close to me and shares the same interest as me. I don't care about other people's opinon's cuz i beleive mine is the greatest. Do i leech of my friends? No. Am i the boss in every situation? Somtimes yes sometimes no. Eiter way Omega is basically a sub category of Beta. Ezo is right it bascially boils down to Alpha or Beta and Omega is just a subdivison of Beta. Great post by the way

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