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EXPERIENCING YOUR EMOTIONS

Some while back, I had a lot of success with women. And as I had that success, I started to get this strange feeling of not knowing what to do with my success. I could have any woman I want, I had the lines, I had a way and I knew how.

But suddenly, my motivation for going out and approaching every woman was gone. I didnt even want to go out and soon this happened.
If I went out, I was violently oposing everybody and I was hatefully charged. I saw these people and thought to myself.. bunch of idiots. I was looking at guys spilling beer on women and just wanted to go over there and smack them.

WHAT HAPPENED?

This is something Im playing for a lot of time now. I noticed my ryhthm in how I feel during the month. I knew something is up, something more than what I have ever adressed. I tried to do some research and get to the bottom of this. WHAT IS THIS?
Why do I feel like this? And this need is not controlled by me. It controls me.
Its like something takes over me. And the more I fight it, the stronger the emotion gets.

I finally got to a conclusion. I never understood it exactly why does this happen, but I know now how to effectively deal with this.

See the problem is, us guys, we have a problem when dealing with our emotions. Im not talking about crying like a bitch when something is not the way we want it to go, but Im talking about something much more bigger.
Im an inner guy. I like inner stuff. I achieved more success with inner game than with any techinque.
And I found out, that to be at PEAK performance in any area in my life, I need to be EMOTIONALLY FULL!
But what does this mean? How can you be emotionally full?
Well, basicly, this means, that you are experiencing your emotions on a regular basis and you let the emotions wash through you. So you dont have any repressed anger, sadness, or bad feelings. When you do that, you start to exceed the fullness out of you.
You start to feel incredible. You are emotionally strong and nothing can get you to »lose it«. Approach anxiety dissapears. You are a lot better at communicating with anybody. Women see you as attractive, but they dont know why. People want to be arround you. Your relationships get better. You start to really enjoy your life.
So how do you do that?

Lets try it.

Lay in your bed. Make yourself comfortable. And lay with how you feel. We are now searching for your emotion in you. We first got to find it. Focus on the feeling that you have. Where is it. Feel it. What color is it? What temperature? How big is it? Where is it going? DONT THINK! JUST FEEL..
Relax..
Now, make a sound that expresses the feeling. If it is anger, you will get an angry voice. EXPRESS IT.
If you feel blue, than you will get a sound that express this. Move with your emotion.
If it is happiness, the sound will say. Make sure you push it all the way. Make it feel good. Dont fight it. Experience it.

As you experience more and more emotions, through time, you WILL become more emotionally stable. You will feel good more. Your success will be much higher in every area.

But really, if you want to be successfull with girls, you have to find a way to deal with your emotions. You have to full yourself to the fullness, so you can exceed in giving.

What I described was one of my ways. Sometimes I go and run, and experience it. Sometimes I hit a boxing bag. Sometimes I listen to music and dance and sing. Whatever. But it is crucial.

The point that I want to make is, most of us guys have not find a way to deal with our emotions, so we repress it, and than it comes out in another form.. like fighting, or beating, or being anxious all the time etc.

Post your experience, I wanna know if anybody can connect with this.

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Heya, this isn't necessarily about pick-up at all. When I was younger I went to a psychologist due to social anxiety and anger management problems. The reason why I got those problems in the first place was because I constantly craved acceptance. I didn't have a nice childhood and tried by the help of others to see a light in the end. Suddenly it snapped for me.

What I learned from the psychologist was that controlling your anger lies not by thinking about it, nor does it come from actually doing harm. It comes from a lack of security, or in other words, the feeling of something missing or wrong.

I just recently managed to solve this problem when learning pick-up and it fundamentally changed my view of acceptance.

If you continuously follow one path it leads to madness. What you want is to focus on different paths, at once. This means that you experience different subjects and won't get stuck on one topic.

I'll give you a quick example:
- A medic has a job 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. If the medic continue to pursue this job on their spare time they will sometimes get a feeling of a need to help the world. Not just one person, but the entire world. And it is self-explanatory that this is a demolishing act of thinking. Nietchze was a writer, and a philosopher. He got it too, and if you check out his history you will see what happened to him over time.

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Heya, this isn't necessarily about pick-up at all. When I was younger I went to a psychologist due to social anxiety and anger management problems. The reason why I got those problems in the first place was because I constantly craved acceptance. I didn't have a nice childhood and tried by the help of others to see a light in the end. Suddenly it snapped for me.

What I learned from the psychologist was that controlling your anger lies not by thinking about it, nor does it come from actually doing harm. It comes from a lack of security, or in other words, the feeling of something missing or wrong.

I just recently managed to solve this problem when learning pick-up and it fundamentally changed my view of acceptance.

If you continuously follow one path it leads to madness. What you want is to focus on different paths, at once. This means that you experience different subjects and won't get stuck on one topic.

I'll give you a quick example:
- A medic has a job 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. If the medic continue to pursue this job on their spare time they will sometimes get a feeling of a need to help the world. Not just one person, but the entire world. And it is self-explanatory that this is a demolishing act of thinking. Nietchze was a writer, and a philosopher. He got it too, and if you check out his history you will see what happened to him over time.

- Exerio

You are making a good point. But what I was trying to point out was EMOTIONAL UPS AND DOWNS.

I noticed, that I have days when everything is going great, and than I slowly feel worse every day untill I hit a high point. Than I go up with the feeling and it goes up untill I hit another high point. So its like a bioryhtm. But EMOTIONAL Biorhytm.

When Im in my down feeling, I dont have the success I want. So what I was working on was, I wanted to reduce the difference of when I feel great and when I feel down. So I can get a constant line of feeling. I wanted to reduce the volatility.

I managed to do this by regulary following my feeling and FEELING THE FEELING completely. No bullshit. just the feeling.

Does this make sense?

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If you continuously follow one path it leads to madness."

"Nietchze was a writer, and a philosopher. He got it too, and if you check out his history you will see what happened to him over time."

- Exerio
I think the first quote summarizes why we are all here and what we all need to work on.

Secondly. Nietzsche was a brilliant sad man. In many ways I consider him a bigger sacrifice than Jesus. FOLLOW THIS MAN'S EXAMPLE. Find richness in your life, by giving richness away. Be proactive and assertive not passive aggressive.

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You are making a good point. But what I was trying to point out was EMOTIONAL UPS AND DOWNS.

I noticed, that I have days when everything is going great, and than I slowly feel worse every day untill I hit a high point. Than I go up with the feeling and it goes up untill I hit another high point. So its like a bioryhtm. But EMOTIONAL Biorhytm.

When Im in my down feeling, I dont have the success I want. So what I was working on was, I wanted to reduce the difference of when I feel great and when I feel down. So I can get a constant line of feeling. I wanted to reduce the volatility.

I managed to do this by regulary following my feeling and FEELING THE FEELING completely. No bullshit. just the feeling.

Does this make sense?
I've got a better suggestion. Everyone learn an instrument. Or pick up a pencil and DRAW motherfuckers. Not only am I a successful artist, and emotionally healthy in my expression, but the ladies love it.

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If you continuously follow one path it leads to madness."

"Nietchze was a writer, and a philosopher. He got it too, and if you check out his history you will see what happened to him over time."

- Exerio
I think the first quote summarizes why we are all here and what we all need to work on.

Secondly. Nietzsche was a brilliant sad man. In many ways I consider him a bigger sacrifice than Jesus. FOLLOW THIS MAN'S EXAMPLE. Find richness in your life, by giving richness away. Be proactive and assertive not passive aggressive.
Indeed, Nietzsche was a brilliant man. However, you must not forget that his progression for truth lead him to the path towards madness. The best way is to find a middle-way.

And over to the emotional ups and downs. The reason why you feel ups and downs is probably a cause of your self-esteem. There is many ways into countering this, but the best way is to learn how to project yourself into a state of happiness. If you learn exactly how to get the feelings you desire you can basically switch those on and off.

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This is almost exactly what eckhart tolle talks about in the power of now.

About how to sense your mood and feelings, accept them and move into the presnt rather than past or future living in a time constraint.


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If you continuously follow one path it leads to madness."

"Nietchze was a writer, and a philosopher. He got it too, and if you check out his history you will see what happened to him over time."

- Exerio
I think the first quote summarizes why we are all here and what we all need to work on.

Secondly. Nietzsche was a brilliant sad man. In many ways I consider him a bigger sacrifice than Jesus. FOLLOW THIS MAN'S EXAMPLE. Find richness in your life, by giving richness away. Be proactive and assertive not passive aggressive.
Indeed, Nietzsche was a brilliant man. However, you must not forget that his progression for truth lead him to the path towards madness. The best way is to find a middle-way.

And over to the emotional ups and downs. The reason why you feel ups and downs is probably a cause of your self-esteem. There is many ways into countering this, but the best way is to learn how to project yourself into a state of happiness. If you learn exactly how to get the feelings you desire you can basically switch those on and off.

- Exerio
Yes, we can sit all day on our butts and do NLP techniques for feeling good. But at the end of the day, you havent dealt with your issues face to face. It always comes back to hount us.

If you watch David Deangelo Man transformation program, he goes into depth of how to EXPERIENCE emotions. He talks about EMOTIONAL IMPRINTS and how we find ourselves over reacting to something or someone saying to us.

Well, this is about EMOTIONAL HEALTH. How do you grow to be emotionally healthy so you dont have that supressed emotions come up to you. So you can deal with any situation that is presented to you without freaking out.

This is not an academic discussion. Try it, and let me know if you did.

I am not interested in discussing, because this is only your bullshit comming up for you. Get that stuff away. We are in learning mode here. If you get what I am talking about good, if you dont, please ask and I will try to clarify myself.

Meanwhile, did anyone try this?

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Before you throw away all my shit as bullshit you should see the documentary of Nietzsche.

I know this subject quite well, and it is a quite debated subject of metaphysics.
Your brain is wired to have receptors which takes in a situation and a feeling creating a memory. If you manage to get positive feelings instead of bad feelings you will get a healthy and happy life, but if you let the bad feelings develop and take over the rest you can come into a state of depression.

This is not a discussion about what works or not, it's a question about biology and how we as a human species are designed. Watch 'The Secret' if you want, it pretty much tells you the same thing.

So before you throw out my 'bullshit', then read things written by professionals. In most cases they actually do know better!

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Nietzsche says “Out of damp and gloomy days, out of solitude, out of loveless words directed at us, conclusions grow up in us like fungus: one morning they are there, we know not how, and they gaze upon us, morose and gray. Woe to the thinker who is not the gardener but only the soil of the plants that grow in him.”

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Before you throw away all my shit as bullshit you should see the documentary of Nietzsche.

I know this subject quite well, and it is a quite debated subject of metaphysics.
Your brain is wired to have receptors which takes in a situation and a feeling creating a memory. If you manage to get positive feelings instead of bad feelings you will get a healthy and happy life, but if you let the bad feelings develop and take over the rest you can come into a state of depression.

This is not a discussion about what works or not, it's a question about biology and how we as a human species are designed. Watch 'The Secret' if you want, it pretty much tells you the same thing.

So before you throw out my 'bullshit', then read things written by professionals. In most cases they actually do know better!

- Exerio
Yes I agree with you 100%. I think we both agree just our communication is poor. What you are talking about is our PERCEPTION and how we respond to things. This is good. Ive done this myself for over two years now. Ive seen the secret I think about 20 times and every time I learn something new.

But what am I trying to explain is, how can you express your emotions. These emotions are not neccesarily bad emotions. It can be happiness, it can be joy, whatever. The main things is that you express it.

A musician will express it through his music, a painter through his paintings, an athlete will do sports etc.

You can do anything. As long as you express and experience your emotions.

David deangelo says, that it is very healthy to experience emotions but at the same time not to be victimised by them.

I can see you are an intelligent guy and I enjoy having discussions with this kind of people. But essentially, I think we agree, just our communication was bad.

Meanwhile, if anybody has an experience about this, post so we can learn more about this.

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this is a stupid cockfight
it doesn't matter who knows more about Nietzsche
Sartre's where it's at 8)

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Hey Black Fantom and everyone else.

Since this is my first post, I might as well give a little intro on my beliefs on PUA.

I believe Innergame, strong visualisations of everything you want in life, a Positive Attitude and Strong, Persistent action are the Keys to Success, Fulfillment and being a valuable individual. Especially important is giving to everyone the knowledge and experience you have accumulated to make life better in the Present and hence for their future.

Back to you Black Fantom. With always thinking and acting to my own interests (i.e. doing what I feel like whether it is selfish or selfless at the time), I have experienced a spectrum of constructive and destructive emotions that have shaped me to become a much better person.

I totally understand where you are coming from, however, I think that these emotions will come to you if you expect the maximum out of life... i.e. not regretting anything by visualising yourself 50 years in the future feeling proud.

Emotions are so vital to becoming a better man and thus a better person to everyone around you.

Finally, when I say experiencing destructive emotions, I mean that I become aware of these 'negative programming' in my mind by being open and living my life to experience the maximum. Once I recognise these emotions and am aware... well I am in the best position to think and, ultimately, feel constructive in what I hadnt done before.

Its all so simple, really.




... P.S. I will try your exercise tonight, I feel optimistic that it will be a great tool.


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Yea, because there are basicly two ways of dealing with your "dark sides" or your emotions.

One, you can repress it. In this case, you will always be a victim of your emotions, you will be out of controll, you will be a victim of your surroundings and you will always be in a victim mentality.

The second way, is to integrate your emotions or your dark sides. When you integrate your dark sides or your emotions you start to be in control of your self. You get the on/off switch of your own feelings. You start to direct your well being. You start to see others in different way. Your whole paradigm changes. You become more full.

The way you integrate your dark sides or your emotions is by SEEING IT directly and confronting and facing your dark side. Im here, come and get me. When you do that, you stop being afraid of yourself.

You literally become another human being.

And this exercise is only the begining. This exercise will only help you get to know your emotions.

The first emotion that a man experiences is GRIEF. GRIEF is the doorway to all the other emotions. When you go down on your grief, when you take time to grieve, you come out tranformed.

I hope somebody had an experience like this and can share it. I would really love to hear somebody else except me say a couple of words on this subject.

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