Honestly... I was really interested at first in learning PUA and all these tips but after seeing my friend working his game at the mall I just realized PUA is really unnecessary.

My friend's game is just doing the normal interview method with a little chit chat and flirting and I was pretty shocked at how simple it was and how effective it was.


We were walking through the mall finding some cute chicks, and this model looking girl HB9 was walking by with three guy friends. My friend with no hesitation just looks at her and says "Hey, you look good, what's your name?" and I moved to her three friends and chatted them up while he just asked simple questions to her such as
What are you doing here?, What school you go to, You got a man? What's your number? all while doing it in a confident way and he got the number just like that. The three friends of her were like wtf...??

And he repeated it with 3 more girls that day all girls who looked unapproachable to the average guy.

My theory is game is just you, if your confident and you got swagger you don't need anything else...

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thats because he has awesome inner game.

clearly you lack this, otherwise you wouldn't be analyzing OTHERS tactics.

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if we want to look at things on the surface, then sure, none of us ever really use game.

but if you want to dig deeper, and look at things like the tone of your friend's voice, his facial expression, his posture, his body language, his eye contact, how he was dressed, etc. then you are gonna find that your friend was doing more then just interviewing girls.

that being said, there are strategies that can be applied to increase your rate of success. sometimes those strategies include saying certain things, remembering not to say other things, or perhaps just saying them a certain way.

these strategies = game

when you are confident it certainly helps, because your inner game will likely effect your outer game in ways that increase your appeal to women and therefore success. however, this can also be done without confidence, because in many situations, the apearance, portrayal, or mere demonstration of confidence will have the same effect as actual confidence. in fact, i'll even argue that appearing to be confident when you are not, will help give you better statistics as a PUA, then having actual confidence without demonstrating it properly. this, of course becomes more difficult as you profress from the inital meeting into a relationship. so in the long run, it is important to work on that inner game.

some people say "fake it til you make it"

in my opinion faking it is totally fine, so long as you are progressing towards actually making it. sometimes this is a normal progression. it all depends on how serious you take PUA. if you take it seriously, then you will want to figure out why faking it works sometimes. i believe this inquiry leads to eventually making it and no longer having to fake it.

i totally agree!

I agree with most of these responses..

But PUA is for me is to have a better understanding of social dynamics to the subconscious level, and for me to have a dope ass game strategy.

If i come across an interesting girl, but shes surrounded by naturals, and no.. the three guys that were surrounding that hb 9 were AFC's.. i actually want to be able to have a chance.

Plus the longer you study PUA material, and the more you work on inner game, the better of a natural you become.

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If your going to question me, you better have a theory behind your argument.

"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."
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All responses are bang on but yar your friend will have learnt this stuff through trial and error over years. Think evolution. Game teaches a shortcut with routines and other things as a way to subtly teach newbies the real lessons IMO this is why most puas drop canned stuff after a while.

In the same way though Jimmy J said to me that "hi" is technically a line. So meh pua will teach you the subtleties of a naturals game.

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thats what was on the tip of my toungue!!!! lol i knew it was something good

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If your going to question me, you better have a theory behind your argument.

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He he, lots of love bro! Seems that we completely agree on this!

PUA is (IS) natural game, just still in the oven. Under construction. In the end, we become naturals. We have just had the benefit of understanding the principles behind it instead of just doing whatever works from the trial and error course of life...

Ezo

the truth is the fact that he simply approached the girl straight up probably put him in the top 10% of guys straightaway..

Your friend is clearly a natural - i.e. what we aspire to be and go beyond by using game. It is our equaliser.

PUA is to make you more socially intelligent. As well as making you more confident, have better voice tonality and posture for all aspects of life. It isn't just for getting girls. But your friend sounds like a natural.

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lol "you kinda resemble a pornstar i know

not saying its a bad thing

because i'd fuck both of you"

The issue you have is both subtle, maybe even so much that the untrained observer couldn't see it... and also so impact full that it governs not only our long term success, but also happiness and fulfillment.

In all my years in the community I have seen 1 and only 1 way to create a natural, and it is not the traditional path pickup artists take. Fake it until you make it is great, but it needs to be applied correctly. Studying all the routines, the body language, the tonality, the eye contact and on and on has its place... but it's completely backwards to fake this part first. If you do that your creating all the symptoms and hoping that the cause will appear, it just doesn't work that way. Ah but if you build a strong belief system and unshakable confidence first, then all the other things start happening as a symptom of this cause... that's how it works for naturals.

Like I said the untrained observer may not even understand this or see it, but to anyone who has some social calibration it is easy to see. Most people who go symptoms first have these frames that are so easily breakable... all you have to do is not play back and command control, instant frame change some guys fully drop posture eyes look down etc etc... and the better ones will only briefly do this and have an obviously fake smile forced on their face as they try to continue faking it and not letting whats going on inside show. But really if putting symptoms first provides a frame that is this easily broken:

Natural: "How old are you?"
PUAsymptoms: "How old do you think I am?"
Natural: "I dont play that game, how old are you?"
PUAsymptoms: -frame broken-

And you see some people might say that doesnt break a frame it just cracks it a little... but it doesnt work like that. The goal of these techniques is to mimic the frame a natural has... the issue with that is a naturals frame doesn't crack, it's them its who they are, the only way to break it is to actually mentally break them as a person (like a psychiatric breakdown)... anything short of that remains congruent... the second you lose congruency AKA your frame cracks, in this world were the social calibration of high value men was set by naturals of the past, that means you broke for some reason and are either a mentally ill (which we'll assume your not ) or you were faking... which if you felt the need to fake tells her on a subconscious and maybe even conscious level that you have very low value.

So why not learn the fundamentals first (beliefs and confidence) and then fine tune the outcomes. You wouldn't jump into algebra without knowing arithmetic hoping that once you know algebra that arithmetic part will take care of it self would you? So why do that in your social life?

Metaphors are the easiest way to communicate an idea, so here's mine.

When I looked at it, i knew. I knew that this is the end of it. That i had to find another way. I imaged two buildings in my head. They were both identical. One was done by Jim, the other by Jack. Jim liked to do things quickly, cutting off of some material. He had a deadline in mind and was focused on finishing the bldg before it.
Now there's Jack. For him, little things can make a big difference. He took care of all the details. At some times, he felt tired and wanted to quit. "The hell with it", he used to say, "it is taking too long". Then he'd realized that he was going to miss the deadline if he was to continu using his way. But that's exactly what he did.
You know why? Because there are no deadlines.

I looked at his post count, it was around 200. Reputation, 94.6. His post title, "What the hell is wrong with women".
I read the post, it what as if written by a dude that is writing his first "there is this girl?" one-itis post.

I stopped and thought: "I choose to be homeless for a while, and then live in Jack's building, rather than living in Jim's building right away, but become homeless for the rest of my days"

It's harder being Jack. But it's worth it.



Doctor, thanks for the inspiration.

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Much love doc, i can agree with this 100% as i always do with your posts....

I know first hand that its about confidence, i joined the community a broken individual, looking for a false set of tools. Like most i thought, knowing routines and techniques would bring me to the top and overcome all and any issues.

Put it this way, i still have the original paper, that has the 5 routines i memorized, i have only used the routines on that paper a handful of times. I realized it had more to do with myself then what was actually being attempted.

know what i did? i let my balls drop, i found out who i am on a very deep and detailed level, i fell in love with who i was and discovering that i was never the person i thought i was. My self confidence grew, with my understanding that this is my reality and i wont play the fool, i wont be manipulated into a false sense of emotions by complete strangers.

Now i understand the process, and i still have not went back to that paper since the attempt of them a handful of times. I do very little approaching, im approached more often then not. My confidence is there, my nonverbal cues back that up. I dont worry about outcomes or others opinions, and like the doc said, a naturals game cant be broken because thats who he is.

its why i now teach about self confidence rather then the non essentials.

rep for the doc...

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Doc,

Thank you for your words. Respect.

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