Hey guys, I'm kind of new to all this.. I've never really had trouble talking to girls, but I overthink a lot and have trouble with kino escalating and getting past c2. After lots of research and reading I've started going into the field and have been doing okay, I feel, given my setting. The problem is I'm on a small campus and I see the same people everywhere.. this makes it harder for me to approach in the day: I'm a junior, so I've known (of) these people for a few years, and it feels weird to talk to them out of the blue after three years. Like I've been working up the courage for three years or something. At parties I'm better off, but those aren't often enough, and there aren't any good clubs or bars nearby and, being a starving college student, I wouldn't want to spend a lot of money, anyway.

This wasn't really the point of this post, but I guess some advice on working with this setting would be appreciated. Anyways, I met this girl freshman year in class (pre-PUA knowledge) and she had a boyfriend. She was, however, a transfer student and didn't have a lot of friends in her classes, and was eager to make friends. We're the same major and I know a lot of the cool other majors so I introduced her to them, which she appreciated, I think, but I kind of AFC'd out in a lot of other regards - not superpathetically, but every now and then I'd be a bit too eager for a study date or whatever, and I met her amog boyfriend etc etc. For some reason, we didn't see each other much at all sophomore year (i think she went abroad or something) but now we're in a class again, and she's single. A chance to make a new and improved first impression! I think I'm doing ok, but it's hard, since I only see her in class, and I'm not really sure what to do with that. I do what I can in the minutes before and after class but we never really get any 1-on-1 time since now that I've introduced her to others we all sit together. I'm definitely kind of the leader of the group, in that everyone knows each other through me, which is DHV and whatnot, but yeah, what can I be doing better? If I see her at a party or something I'll hopefully be able to pawn an HB to get some preselection going, which I feel is my sticking point in the whole deal at the moment, but that's not a guarantee. So basically, anyone know anything about classroom game?

Apologies for the rambling nature of the post.. that's how I write.

I would like to say I am speaking from experience from the same position your in, however I attend a college with slightly more than fifty thouand students, so I will try to relate what I have to say to your context. Clearly you have chalked up a decent back and forth with the girl over the course of this time and there should definetely be a trust established. From your message I get the feeling you don't talk much to her outside of class, which you should try to change, texting/email/fb/calls... However, you do NOT want to be the one to initiate this dialogue. You need to get her to come to you. In your situation I think your best course of action is to "go on the attack" when your in class. Avoid asking questions as that tends to give her more of the control, instead say things like "I can't beleive you let us slip so far apart." Play the blame game with her, this will open her up to dialogue trying to defend herself, from there you can just keep doing this technique with a new face. Never have your posture facing fully to her even when your talking to her and use rotation towards and away from her to attempt to guide conversation. When she talks to someone else in the group you could drop in a neg like "do you ever quit talking, im trying to learn something here". Classroom game can be fun, and beleive me my friend take full advantage of the small environment, it instills a sense of trust among the women because the everyone knows everyone kind of deal is in play. This works to your advantage and I think you have a great opportunity ahead of you. Best of luck.

Thanks for the advice! Yeah my school's about a tenth the size of yours

I'm going to go ahead and repeat that my biggest weakness is overthinking, which I'm working on, but I feel that in this instance I need a plan because I need my game to be as tight as possible given the time constraints.

It's true, we don't talk much out of class.. I don't even have her number. I did, but then I got a new phone and that was in the period where we didn't see each other and I haven't asked for it. She lives off campus I think, which is not the norm for a campus this small so I don't see her around at meals etc. That being said, I've made sure not to come off as try-hard or needy this time around, and I kinda have to make up for last time with that, because she probably knew I was into her two years ago (AFC). The problem is she's fine with that. We get along fine in class, I make our friends laugh, I kind of lead the way when we do study groups, etc, but that's about all I see her. She seems fine with that, I act fine with that, and nothing happens as a result. Another problem is the nature of the class itself: it's a pretty small class with a lot of interaction with the teacher, so people are always talking. Also, she sits behind me so if I keep turning around it seems like that would come off as try-hard etc.

What it comes down to is I need a to introduce sexual tension into the relationship, I think. I just feel weird doing it in front of friends, but that's surmountable. Although now they're her friends too, which could mess with things. Could you explain
a bit more? I like the attitude behind the slip-far-apart line, but I'm not sure how applicable it is, since we were never especially close. Or does that not matter? Regarding posture, I think I've done pretty well with never giving her my full attention. What do you mean by "attempt to guide conversation" by rotating?

Again, what it comes down to is I need to flirt more sexually, while disqualifying myself, considering my shameful past, to hopefully spark some interest that will extend beyond the classroom. I was thinking something along the lines of the whole "You're so X, I love it, too bad you're Y" SOI/Disqualifier kind of thing. And kino when I have a chance.

Thanks again for your help! More would be awesome.

Im going to attempt to address your questions as I read them. First, I would like to say your idea of introducing sexual tension is exactly what I was thinking, begin to talk more with the other girls in your social group, "freeze" her out if you will. You said you were basically the "leader" of your social group so if you start engaging other girls more so and neglect her, she will probably start trying to vie more for your attention. This would be a clear IOI. You need to get her to want you and the best way I can see this is to attempt what I said above, begin by ignoring her more and having your interests elsewhere. When she talks try to shift attention and take control of the conversation and then engage another female in your group. IF need be you could try the double edged sword of throwing game at another girl in your group to try to instill jealousy in her. This is a dangerous tactic however and should be well planned out for any contingency. Next, throwing out a line like the slipping apart one has no baring on how close you were, women often tend to over weigh the value of a male companion so you should count on that to help you out and if you slide it into a normal dialogue it will probably just continue the flow. If it really seems out of place after you say it you can just smile and make like it was just a joke, which will also probably serve the purpose of coaxing more dialogue between the two of you. The posture guiding technique is a more subtle manuever. It takes a bit of work, but it involves you and her in conversation and your body is NOT facing hers straight on, but slightly offset. Everytime the conversation goes the way you like it you can open more of your posture towards her, if however it it is not going in the direction you want and you wish to get more of her attention, try shifting away from her more, almost to the point of you leaving; you can also try shifting body weight back like you could leave at a moments notice. Don't however ever lean towards her unless you intend to initiate kino or are working an angle of your game because this is a clear IOI to her and that is not what you want to suggest to her by body language. Lastly about the SOI/disqualifier, I have never been a huge fan of that tactic unless you have already established sexual tension, its good for a kiss close but I am not sure how great it would be in your present situation. However, the situations context can best be judged by you and perhaps it can be utalized. If you do chose to use it, I would try to incorporate a neg more so into it. Try to point out some kind of small inconsiquential(sorry about spelling) flaw. Also replace "i love it", with something less ornate like "its great", after which you should again shift your attention to someone or something else, let what you said marinate in her head for a while and let her come back to you. You seem like your really know your stuff so I think you can pull this one off, but I know it can be valuable to have an outside analysis perspective sometimes. I have to hit class but just let me know if you have any more questions.

eek. that was bad. Not your advice, I just kinda floundered. I did ok with regards to body language, I think, but I did lean in towards the group, if only because I was sitting and I didn't want the whole class involved in our conversation (this was in the few minutes before class). The conversations I started though, in retrospect, were pretty poorly chosen, did not really demonstrate value, and just weren't really as well-received as I'd have hoped. I ran them by my friends and they went by ok but that's a different environment. Also, while my body language was never focused on her, I have this mental block with negging her (but only her, really), probably dating back from my chump days, but it's hard to get over nonetheless. I was gonna say she may even be out of my league, but I need to get that out of my head. I'm out of her league.

Hm, still have a ways to go with inner game, I guess. Need more practice! This is definitely the hottest girl I've gone after. But that's an excuse. No more excuses.

Okay, inner dialogue aside, I appreciate the help so far, tran. If you or anyone else has something to add I'd love to hear it!

Edit: When I said I have trouble negging her, I don't mean that I worship the ground she walks on or anything - I tease, etc - but I have trouble with some of the more intense disqualifying negs, especially in a low-energy classroom setting where nobody wants to be there. On that note, I do try to be in a good mood and up the positive vibe in the class. Ugh, my day game needs work.