This truth has been visited time and time again and the typical answer is, "jerks are the lesser of two evils" ---or something like that. But I think it goes a little bit beyond that. I think it has to do with short-term and long-term goals of women. Men are bombarded with messages like, women want commitment and an emotional connection etc... And that is true however, that doesn't mean they want to find their husband asap. A woman can have an emotional connection with a guy with no plans on making it long-term.

It is true, women want an understanding and nice guy, but those traits aren't high-caliber turn ons in the short-term. Bravado on the other hand, is a highly attractive trait in the short-term, but can lose its effect in the long-run. So think of it this way, women want their emotions activated, and audacity grabs attention.

Even though the movies seem unrealistic, they are a perfect example of this. In many "chick flicks" the leading male is a jerk, but somehow the girl is attracted. But it doesn't blossom into a LTR until the guy changes from his bad boy ways. Case-in-point, 10 Things I Hate About You. Heath Ledger's character gets the girl by being a jerk, but keeps her by transforming. That guy who plays "Joey" gets the girl by being a jerk (a hot jerk) but also loses the girl by being the jerk.

So here is what we need to know:

For good guys: Take heart, most women will want a good guy with good prospects eventually. Don't try to "act bad" because you will come across as rude. Work on being independent and assertive, and allowing spontaneity into your repartee. Discover and enjoy your connection with women in a physical, not just intellectual way.


For bad boys: You don't need my advice—unless you want to have a great long-term relationship. Then you must learn to open up to the joys of committing—and they do exist.


For women: Know what you really want (and that is not easy), and accept the trade-off between your hot date and a guy that is long-term material. Neither is right or wrong for you as long as you know what you're getting into.

Jerks share the same status as sluts I reckon. Most men want sex but jerks aren't shy about it. Well, they shouldn't be anyway.

good post, im nice, but i know what i want. i'm not a total badass, but i love sex and hooking up and doing crazy things. recently i adapted and began to be more blunt about things to women, like hinting at hooking up and stuff like that and so far its having positive effects.

if i could term it in my perspective i would say to all the nice guys out there. you know in your mind that you want pussy, when ur bein all nice and just expecting it to happen w/ a girl its not. you need to make it known somehow and think more about yourself and what you want instead of trying to be all nicey with her. because when ur nice to a girl, shes gunna be nice to u, and ur probably going to take it the wrong way. if ur playful and a little more direct and thrwoin in som enuendo .. shell play along and at the same time get the hint and also probably be more attracted

Oh man. This kinda stuff just makes me laugh. Everyone is fucking confused because of this process:

1. AFC is a pussy
2. AFC fails to attract and seduce girl
3. AFC asks girl why he failed
4. Girl gives some sort of "reason" but tries to make AFC feel better by saying that he is at least a "nice guy."

Girl calls AFC a nice guy just to try and make him feel better. This is just a distortion of the truth in order to appease emotions. The AFC in this scenario isn't a "nice guy." He's just a fucking pussy.

Because of the confusion caused by women trying to make pussies feel better by calling them "nice guys," everyone suddenly notices a correlation between guys who are called "nice guys" and guys who don't get laid. Then they try to dance around the real issue by coming up with tons of theories based on this confusion.

Being a nice guy has nothing to do with it. Everyone just needs to SBAP.

Even though I've been desperately trying to create a bad boy image for myself over the past several years, I can't help but to admit that I'm pretty damn nice in a lot of ways. I'm generous, I like helping others, I buy drinks for my friends all the time, and I treat my elders with respect. That doesn't mean I can't elicit strong and bewildering short term emotions within a girl.

I can seduce a woman and make her wetter than this city during hurricane season. I wouldn't be able to if I were a fucking pussy with no sense of my own goddamn purpose. Not many people who know me in real life would call me a jerk or an asshole, but no one would dare see me as a doormat to walk all over.

It's all about knowing yourself as a fucking MAN. Leave the "nice guy vs. bad boy" debate to the confused pussies. Know that no woman would be satisfied with a guy who lacks a solid sense of self-worth and purpose, regardless of whether he's nice or rude.

Chief your argument is correct but you are saying what I am saying, just in "Chief language." I was being a little nicer with my wording. I know bad boys can get the girls.....and I said that above (please see above). But that boy boy behavior will NOT satisfy a woman in the long-run. Most bad boy types don't want a LTR, they fear a LTR right now. But when they do decide to settle down and commit to a woman, they will find that their behavior is not suitable to LTR. Not everyone's end-game is just lots of sex. Of course they would like that, but some people are looking for relationships too.

As for the female part, like I said, girls like bad boys even though they know it won't work out in the future. They secret hope that they can change the bad boy, but we know that doesn't really happen. But it is ok, and even encouraged to date a bad boy so long as you know it ahead of time and are ok with it.

Personally, I believe there is a distinctive fine line between nice guys and a complete wuss. Just because you go out of your way to avoid confrontation of any kind, doesn't make you a 'Nice guy.' It means you have no spine.

Here's another problem I see with the 'Nice guy' finish last theory: Women are settling on you! When they're young, spry, and hot - women avoid the 'nice guys' and have hot, mind-numbing, crazy sex with the bad boys. When many of them finally realized that they're hay-days are coming to an end (IE they realize they're not as attractive as they used to be for any particular reason), they finally decide to give Mr. 'Nice guy' his chance.

I'm not saying I'm right in this opinion. This is simply something I tell myself to go out an keep on working on PU. Because I DON'T want to be that guy women settle for in the declining years of their sexual peak.

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^^ i like this post, im learning that thats how it is when ur younger, i used to think to myself "o theres no way these girls want sex as bad as i do" but they do, you just have to let it be known, show them through ur actions and words that thats what u want to have .. fucking rediculous hardcore fucking

This game has certainly changed me & it was never more apparent than this weekend. I try to walk in the club with the feeling I am the baddest man in the joint. When you do that there is a fine line in being a super confident person & acting like you dont need these chicks, almost blowing them off (which is what I have found attracts best) & being an arrogant asshole.

I got cocky, & insulting. I didn't have success probably for just that reason & I drank more as a result than, & crossed the line even farther. I didn't like how it felt the next day & that night sarging was a complete disaster. Sad thing is the less success I had the meaner I became. I've never went over the top like that.

I have had many friends over the years call me the nicest guy they know. I got called an asshole for the first time in my life by a girl & I deserved it. I also was lucky I didn't get my ass kicked by a guy 100 lbs heavier who I AMOGed hard with no care. I don't want to be that guy again but it's like you almost need to walk right to the edge of that without crossing to really master this game from what I can tell.

Good post however: Isn't this the reason guys think being nice is bad in the first place....... Sometimes you need to be blunt with people for them to realise, they'll hate you for it at first but they'll soon realise you were right.
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I don't think you have to kill the nice guy all together you just have to be interesting and command respect to yourself. like back before i found this stuff i used to think that if i be the nicest guy on the block i would get the girl (which came with no results) then i found this pua stuff and started to use confedence into my pick up and got allot better with females.
So i don't think you guys have to make a full 180 switch you just need to be fun intresting and be the center of attention

Oh Madals, you know I am the sweetest, nicest, most adorable person ever and I just don't like being that blunt with people [/quote]

lol

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Please tell me who these women are, as they are the easiest type of women to seduce.

So pretty much be a good guy but not a nice guy?

I think that this conclusion is either incorrect or the result of badly defined terms (possibly the fault of other people.)

Chief really nailed this one, I think. It's not about "niceness" or "goodness." "Stop being a pussy" is about as solid as advice can get. I have no intention of being less nice or less good. What I AM going to do is work on my inner game and the strength of my frame. I have an ambitious goal: When I choose to buy a woman a drink, I want her to feel grateful for the gift. The boldfaced terms are important here because without the right frame, when an AFC panders to a woman by buying her a drink, she feels contempt for the bribe. If I may be so brazen, I'd even suggest that, framed this way, the PUA is being more genuinely nice than the AFC is.

Bonita mentioned the idea of audacity. I don't think that audacity has to be synonymous with meanness, rudeness, or being a jerk. Somebody else mentioned Ten Things I Hate About You, so I'll talk about that. The scene where Ledger's character sings "Can't Take My Eyes Off of You" is audacious, but is not jerky in the slightest. I think that there are plenty of ways for a guy to be audacious that actually are fun for a lot more people than just the girl you want to impress. Bonus!

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