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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:37 am 
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Okay a little bit of background info. There's this girl who's in love with her ex boyfriend, but obviously likes me. She denies it verbally because she still wants her ex and they broke up partly because of me (he's jealous of all her guy friends especially me). It's obvious by her actions that she has a thing for me though. Right now they're "taking a break," but they're still kinda together. She says they just don't have the title.

The thing is, she talks to me a lot about sex. Asking me what I've done and what I like to do. We've been talking a lot about sex recently and then just now she texts me saying "just to let ya know, i'm totally naked right now." Can I take this as an ioi for an f close or is she just being an attention whore? I'm seeing her this friday and I doubt I can get an f close unless I can manage to get her to disassociate me with guilt with her ex boyfriend.

The deal is, I think she likes me, but denies it because of her attachment to her ex. She still loves him. She might be keeping me up in the air in case it doesn't work out with him. The thing is, I want to close with her even if it's not all the way. Any suggestions?

Oh. One more thing. I'm meeting her a few hours before she sees her ex so that might complicate things. Yeah, I have no idea why I'm bothering with her, but that's not the point of the thread. :P I just really want suggestions on how I can turn things in my favor with her. I understand that most of you would stay away, but I'd like to keep this thread on topic as to suggestions on what I can do when I meet up with her.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:46 am 
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I'm sorry that I can't provide a link for this, but check out the boyfriend destroyer techniques! They aren't as evil they sound but they work fantastically!!!!

I was in the EXACT same situation about 2 months ago when I luckily came across the BF destroyer! They also work on the situation you are in because you basically make her realize how unstable this dude is. And you don't trash talk him and you don't even talk about yourself...wait just found my copy that I have....hope it helps :D


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Boyfriend destroying in the past has been clumsy at worst and ineffective at best. Let’s explore some new ways of doing this – making the boyfriend unappealing in her mind rather than ‘destroying’ him.
Let’s begin by saying that if she was SO happy with her boyfriend, she wouldn’t really be giving you the time of day, would she? Always keep this in mind. You will need to get across that you are her REAL type of man without explicitly stating this. Here are the things to key in on when trying to destroy a boyfriend.
1. Failure to commit
2. Jealousy-inspired arguments
3. Physically or mentally abusive behavior
4. Not assertive enough in bed
5. Being too predictable
6. Wanting to do off-the-wall things in bed that the girl isn’t into
7. Acting too needy
8. Acting withdrawn
OK. Those are some of the most common complaints from women in regards to their relationships with men. Now, you need to find out from her which one(s) her boyfriend is displaying and the boyfriend look inferior because of it. Here are some examples:

Failure to Commit:
“That reminds me of my friend Jim. He drives a truck for a living, but he met a girl from a wealthy family and started dating her. She was
really into him, but in his mind he just didn’t deserve a girl of that status. It was like, inside his mind, he was always worried that she would leave him because she could have any man she wanted.

Jealousy-inspired Arguments:
“Try not to be mad at him, OK? It’s just that you are probably the highest-caliber woman that he’s ever been with, and he knows that if you ever left him he would never find someone of your quality again. He’s just worried, that’s all.”

Abusive Behavior:
"This happens all the time when a guy is with a woman that he can’t handle emotionally. He just can’t handle all the things that are going on inside his head, so he acts out in this manner. He’s probably never been in demand with women, so he desperately wants you to stay with him.”

Not Assertive in Bed:
“I’m sure he wants to please you sexually, but he can’t because he’s insecure. It’s like the guy with a really hot girlfriend who ends up cheating on her with some fat girl that is not nearly as attractive, since she makes him feel better about himself. It sounds like he has a case of unworthiness, but you should bear with it for awhile, I’m sure he’ll do better soon.”

Being too Predictable/Boring:
“You two have become so close that you are more like a sister to him now than a lover. He’s really secure with you so he doesn’t feel the need to do anything special any more. 9
Don’t you see how most marriages evolve? This is the way. Now, with me, I’d rather keep the spice in a relationship, but I understand that it’s hard and most people don’t have the time for that sort of thing.

Off-the-Wall Sex:
“Since he’s never had someone like you, he feels the need to objectify you. He can’t open up to you because he risks the possibility of being hurt, so he turns sex into some sort of perverse game.”

Acting too Needy:
“Well, you should understand that this guy has nothing else going for him, you’re the only thing in his life that makes him feel important. Without you his life would be meaningless, so you can’t really blame him, he needs you.”

Acting Withdrawn:
“He’s just afraid to open up to you since he feels he doesn’t deserve someone like you. If he opened himself up you may not like what he reveals. Now, with me, I believe that communication is incredibly important in any relationship, but I can understand where he is coming from. He really doesn’t want to lose you.”
*I appologize for not being able to give credit where it's due...I simply don't know whos material this is*

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Yeah I've tried boyfriend destroyers on her, but they don't seem to be effective with her. I think they only work on girls who have doubts about the guy right? Even though this girl realizes he's insecure and jealous and all that, she still wants him bad. I'll try some of those since I hadn't seen a couple of them, but I don't know how effective they will be on this girl. Thanks for the new material though.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:55 am 
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Another piece of advice would to be just drop her....if she has an interest in you then she might realize that when she sees you're willing to leave!

Or maybe you could introduce a little jealousy into her life by talkin up another girl whether there is one or not...just an idea that's worked for me in the past.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:13 am 
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dude your a complete idiot! She wants to fuck your brains out and your being a moron by wondering if she likes you WTF are you doing man, go and shag this girl shes talking to you about SEX, shes telling SHES NAKED! W T F! what part of that do you consider "is that a ioi? oh gee maybe.. shes a attention whore.. oh im confused"

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Get out there, fuck this girl already, and don't wory about her ugh boyfriend? if you can even call that cockles needy looser that! Hes a nobody and she doesn’t even like him! do you think if she loved him with all her heart shed be taking brakes from him and playing games? shes just looking for a excuse to get out and since shes not married or committed in any way, then shes free for your taking!.. seriously.. where do some of you come from.. far out!

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Yeah I've tried boyfriend destroyers on her,
Why? ????????????????? its like going hunting for deer then seeing a dead one and saying to yourself.. maybe i should shoot it to kill it..???????? she DOES NOT LIKE THE GUY! SHE WANTS TO FUCK YOU!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:39 pm 
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Relax, dude. Not everyone gets "it." That's why we're all here. To unlearn what we have come to accept.

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She really doesn't. I've already tried and got denied. She refused to go up to my hotel room a few weeks ago and she refused to go inside my apartment a little before that. If it was a different girl, I'd know it was a definite ioi, but this girl is emotionally confused because of her controlling ex (read the other thread for history if you have time. it's kind of long). He messed her up bad and treats her like crap, but she still wants him like crazy. She sucks up to him all the time to try and get him back. Thing is, I think I'm being used for when he treats her like shit just to make herself feel better.

But maybe I'm wrong and she does want to. But when we hang out in a few days (she's 3 hours away so we don't get to see each other much, is there anything I can do to help close in a situation like I described above (just in case I'm right). If you're right, Impact, then I won't need to do much, but I really want to know what I can do aside from boyfriend destroyers to close with her.

I understand how this situation looks and if I was on the other side, I'd feel the same way as you, Impact. It's just that this girl is massively confused because of the emotional abuse her ex does to her. She's basically hooked on him and she will do anything to get him back. She's even thrown away friends just for him. She's pretty young, 18, so it's understandable, but I don't think I have it as easy as you think.


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I think she sees him as the provider and you as the lover! If she’s not ready for the apartment then you go two steps back, take her out shopping or for some adventure, spend more time with her and kino escalate on her! make the apartment seem like something she should work towards! Make her feel like she can let him go and hang onto you! women are very clingy creatures when it comes to relationships! she doesn’t want to drop her safe guy for someone who wont be around in a few weeks! because she knows she will have to go through the pain of being single and women are not prepared to do that! So it sounds like you have to spend more time with her, and demonstrate that she’s hijacked your mind and you cant figure out why.

Give ita go, but the sex talk is in your favour!

If she dosn't bite then next time she talks about sex hit her with

"um why are you talking to me about this? do you always talk to your guy friends about sex?"

see what she says!

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Pull a david d...

like impact said take a couple steps back, invite her over with a plan to go out and do something mall, park, coffee...whatever.

When she gets to the apartment, come out and meet her, tell her you need to go in and grab your coat, shoes, glasses, wallet, cell...anything.

invite her in for a second and leave the door open, grab the item and almost litterally push her out of the apartment and say lets go.

dont look back to see if she actually followed you in, you dont care...just grab the item and leave, dont mention her not comming in if she did not, dont hint at her comming in if she did...it does not matter.

the great thing about this girl is her emotions are wild, for me, emotional girls are amazing and personally easier to develop a relationship with then other girls.

your not her father, or her boyfriend...so when she starts talking about her boyfriend be stern but not mean and express how you dont care to hear you problems relating to the ex.

when she tells you shes naked...she wants a response, so give her one, but not one she expects, dont play into her hand.

Oh your naked? thats cool! too bad we are just friends..hey im jumping in the shower, ill talk with you later.

or repeat without the just friends part depending on the girl...perhaps instead of the shower say another activity like going to cook dinner.

Oh your naked? thats cool! im off to cook dinner, i would invite you over to eat but i dont allow naked girls in my apartment.

the last one would work great after you did the first mentioned step...remember whatever you do, stay in control of this girl...she does not want a push over, she wants someone to take command, shes looking for a reaction from you and feeds off of it, so dont ever give her what she expects.

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Keep up the tension.

She is obviously still emotionally attached to her ex.
However, he does not seem to satisfy her needs.

This is why you come into the picture.

You're in there now, because she has needs that he cannot satisfy. (Sexual mainly, but it seems he doesn't take charge in the relationship either... I may go into that later)


Either you keep this tension building, eventually it will emerge in sex, and you'll be her lover.
or you let her get the upper hand, and lose her.

So, stay on top of the situation, if she decides you can provide for her, satisfy her sexual needs, and get the emotional going as well. She will probably ditch him completely, and you'll get the girl

you see, a girl's needs can be broken down into a three-part model:
Emotional needs,
someone who is a Provider/Protector (this is the part I'm not confident I remember correctly)
and the Sexual.

If she doesn't get all these satisfied she will be compelled to satisfy these elsewhere. (cheat)
You are there because she needs sexual satisfaction... She also, probably, feels a need for someone to dominate her. Someone who can simply be strong with her.

So, show yourself as the man, someone reliable who is confident in himself and his abilities, and Keep up the Sexual tension.
That way you'll provide her needs much more than the ex, who currently is only covering some of the emotional needs.

She'll probably be ready to connect emotionally with you in not long, as long as you show yourself of as the best alternative... Being an Alpha male.

Don't try to suit yourself to her, she doesn't need a guy to pamper her, she needs a little tension, a little excitement.

I think I have explained something here, but I know if I keep it up it'll turn bad, so... Hope this helps ;)


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Alright, awesome advice guys. I don't get to see her often since she's 3 hours away though so it's tougher to game her. I think Impact is right in that she sees him as the provider and me as the lover, but she sees me as a lover to the extent of just talking. She doesn't seem to want to act on anything. I just checked facebook and her status says "360 days later and he still seems to be the one." It's obvious that she's pretty damn in love with this guy. They still think of each other as being together "without the title" so that kinda goes against me. I'm starting to think there's nothing I can do. She is obsessed with him.

He's the one that seems to control the relationship too. He's always the one that initiates the "breaks" in their relationships and the first time was when he said he wanted to be single in college. He ignores her and makes her feel bad about a lot of things, but she still keeps coming back to him. I don't know much about their sex life. She's told me they've had sex, but I don't know if she's not happy with their sex life. She just said that it's not a big part of their relationship, but also mentioned that they mess around a lot.

I'm really starting to lose hope after seeing that status update from her. I won't get to see her until this weekend so is there anything I can do for the next few days? I know I should build up the tension, but she doesn't respond well to being ignored. The past week, she has called or texted me and we've talked a good amount. Today, I doubt she'll initiate anything since things with her "ex" seem to be going well so I bet all she can think about is him. I know I'm sounding like an afc, but it really seems like a lost cause.


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if it where me, i would ignore her for the most part till the weekend, dont initiate the conversations, and if she initiates dont respond right away, stay busy and if you cant stay busy seem like your busy...personally i would not even speak with her on the phone....

as well i would go out and game other ladies. when you meet the other ladies set up a time this weekend to hang out with the new girls, bring the friend along if you can get her to go...Be friendly but pay more attention to the new girls you have met...your a busy person, someone your friend should hang onto, your popular and dont have time for petty drama....at least this is what it would look like in her eyes.

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Ok. Will do that starting now. Here's an update from our facebook conversation just now. I'm basically trying out boyfriend destroyers after seeing her status about him. Not sure what you'll get out of it, but I thought I'd include it in the thread.
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Her: What are you thinking about?



Me: thinking about all the reasons why it wouldn't work between us. you have a great personality, but it seems like you don't want someone spontaneous and you just like to go with the safe route. that's just what i've seen.



Her: until i am on my own... yeah im going to take the safe and predictable way. i like being spontaneous and wish i could be more often but while im not on my own i have to do that ya know? not sure if that makes sense to you...but it does to me.. haha. so why would we not work out? (she's 18 and lives with her parents and that's what she's referring to as not being on her own)



Me: oh i get what you're saying. i wasn't talking about activities though. i understand that you can't just go off doing what you want to do when you're not on your own. i was talking about in general you seem to like to stick to what's safe and familiar. it's not a bad thing, just an observation i made.

and it wouldn't work because it seems like you like relationships that are not really a full commitment. that's not a bad thing either. if you want something that has no strings attached and is up in the air, that's great that it works for you. me on the other hand, i want something that's a full commitment. when i like a girl, i don't want to plan my whole life around them, but i want us to be a big part of each other's lives and not just leave our relationship up in the air to see what happens.

i could be wrong about you though and hopefully i am.



Her: i get what your saying about the safe and familiar thing. i dunno. i have been this way since i started dating jay. and me being with jay is the only way you have ever seen me. so there is a whole other side of me that you have never seen. and i'm not sure if you will... or when you will.

and i don't like relationships being up in the air. i actually hate them with a passion. the problem is that i've been with him for so long that its hard to let go. its a slow process ya know? all i want is a relationship where i get appreciated and i'm not treated like shit or talked down to. i don't want to be obsessed about or anything but i want to know that i'm cared for.

how would we get to know each other better?[/i]
This basically shows how confused and unstable she is emotionally because sometimes she'll want to get rid of him, but other times she wants him more than anything. She's saying these things to me about an hour after she posts the status saying "after blah blah, he still seems to be the one."

I guess her instability could help me when I see her in a few days, but I'm seeing her on friday from 2-6 and she's going straight to her ex's at 6. I think that's when he gets home. I want to make sure she's not thinking about him during the time we have together and that she doesn't forget about me while they're hanging out all weekend.


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The problem could be that you live so far away from her and don't get to see her much. Does her ex live close to her? She probably enjoys the security from her ex just because he lives close (even so the relationship is fucked up).

Also if your gonna have to travel 3hrs to see her... that sucks.


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Her ex lives about 10 minutes from me. She's coming here to see him, but he doesn't know that she's going to see me too. He gets really mad when she hangs out with me even though they're not "officially" together anymore.


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