They probably are useful, but what I think they are trying to say is that to connect with a woman you can't be in your head, you have to be in the present. But if you've practiced all these to the point that they come out naturally, without you thinking about it, you'll probably be fine. Just don't worry so much about the interaction and go with the flow, is what we're all trying to say.

a girl has never stopped complying with my routine.

dancing monkeys are cool. ITS CALLED PLOWING PEOPLE.

im going to go against what everyone else is saying here and im going to say this plan will be quite effective afterall the game is linear. but you can do better However, I am going to say you need to simplify be more broad for example here's my game plan i'm going to work all day tomorrow.

I quit masturbating yesterday so the slightest thing will turn me on.
(thats the preapproach)

a.) Approach with strong sexual expectations however i dont plan on verbalizing them. As for openers, hi usually works just fine no matter where you are. I never understood why people insist on opening other ways if hi doesn't work just neg then game on. I basically am going to approach expecting her to have sex with me.

b.) im going to build attracting using push/pull (its a fucking hard thing to learn)

c.) Bounce and see where it goes from there hopefully to sex in my car.

basically fmac find meet attract close.

every thing in between is my variable its the stuff that cannot be predicted and i have to handle on the fly, yes it takes time to learn how to handle it smoothly but hey, you've got nothin but time.

You Have done your homework and those are some good lnks. Thanks.
My take on routines is to be flexible. Adapt and overcome because you I both know shit always doesnt go to plan. I like to be genuine and confident and routines dont really seem genuine. They are good for openers and to have a guideline for when you get stuck. Think about what phase you are in if you get stuck and pull out something from a routine that will fit in to keep it going. But inbetween all that shit, I just be genuine and honest.

Gotta go. HB from last night just called.
John

David Deangelo talks about this phenomenon called the mastery curve. Basically once someone gets a little successful at something he thinks he's mastered it and understands it completely. It is at that point that they make some more progress and realize that they are not at the finish line, but really at the beginning; then they move up a level. This happens repeatedly while someone is trying to master something. And the real truth is that there is always something more to learn and someone better who can teach you more.

I admire your confidence in your game. But it is extremely important that you keep an open mind and continue learning more from others.

hey so new question,
how do you guys usually work qualification? Like what does that mean exactly? If you get to know a girl by getting to know what you guys have in common in the beginning, isn't that qualifying straight away?

Well it is, but sometimes you have to exaggerate the fact that your qualifying her a bit. But before I get into that, it's important to look at it from the woman's perspective.

Imagine that your a hot woman and you know that men want to sleep with you. If a man starts show interest without knowing anything about you at all, it obvious that he is only interested in the sex and not you as a person.

So what you have to do as a pua is simple, don't telegraph so much interest right off the bat. Question her (not like an interrogation, but simply as part of comfort building), mention qualities or quirks about her that you like or you think are cute, then just gradually show more interest in her as you find more things about her you like. This way she feels like your interested in her as a whole and not just as a hole.

Also don't be afraid to verbalize your gradual acceptance, use phrases like "You're kinda weird, but I like that", "I like that in a woman", "I really respect that", "Wow, I'm impressed". These phrases are like rewards for good behavior, so only give them for things you really like. People will readily modify their ego to impress other people, so if you say you like certain things about her, she will begin to accentuate those qualities when she is around you.

It is also very important for you to disagree with her a little during this process. Remember if you're qualifying her, then you shouldn't be trying to impress her with how similar you two are, that's her job in this scenario. Feel free to express your own opinions, she will respect you more for it.

thanks kalel!
great info!

how about push pull? What are some good push pull routines?
Or is push pull more like a rule? Like if I ask a girl what shes majoring... and she respondes... I then could say... "thats lame!" and then she'll be like what etc... then I say Im just playing and tell her stuff that I respect that etc...

what else situations should you use push pull?

The push-pull really isn't a routine it's more like a honed technique or skill.

The idea behind the push-pull is that people don't value things that they don't have to work for and that they can't lose. Do you value air or gravity, no because they are a given in your life; but you value money because you have to work for it and it can wasted easily. The push-pull simply gives your seduction value in her eyes. If she feels like she's invested some effort in winning your approval and if she's afraid she might lose it, she will value you much more than if she had done nothing to get you.

You can communicate a push or a pull in any number of ways. A lot of guys do it non-verbally, they lean in and look attentive to pull, and lean back and appear aloof to push. A push can be a neg, or a sudden coldness, or withdrawal of attention, or anything that communicates disapproval. A pull can be flirting, showing interest, looking at her seductively, or anything that makes her feel like your interested in her.

There is a timing and a rhythm to this as well. When you push, she will try to pull you back in, then you can pull a little. Then you can just repeat this sporadically throughout the date. The idea is to let her think she has the power to control your attraction for her, if she thinks she does she will try harder to impress you and win you over and she will be involved and invested in the seduction. Your game, in this situation, is to make her think she is the one with game. Make her think she seduced you and not the other way around.

The push-pull is not easy to master, because it requires a lot of mental control over yourself. When we are interested in a woman, its very hard to withdraw attention, its unnatural. But you have to learn how to appear disinterested or neutral, when your overly interested on the inside. It takes a lot of practice to master a cool and calm exterior persona and it only comes with experience and practice.

GREAT! thanks so much.
so about dhv stories and spikes...

thats just basically telling stories that show your a great person with value without bragging right? taking anything from my life, like how I love art and being creative and I'm going to (name of university) to study graphic design at (san fran) would be showing dhv right?

Yeah that's pretty much the idea, but most puas try to tell stories that trigger certain evolutionary switches in a woman's mind. For instance they will tell stories involving them being in charge of other people because it will trigger the leader or men switch. Or they will tell stories about hanging out with lots of friends because it triggers the pre-selection switch (if other people like you, then there must be a reason). They also tell stories about how they are protective of others or how they have the means to provide for the future.

The trick to telling a good dhv story is not to force it, just let the conversation happen naturally, and get in the habit of recalling your own experiences in a dhv mindset. You can make almost any story a dhv story if you know how to phrase it right. For instance I never say "My friends and I went", I say "I took my friends to".

Also when you're telling the story make it exciting. The problem most guys have is that they picture the story in their head while they are telling it and they forget that other can't see what's in their head, so they don't describe anything in detail. To tell a good story, you have to paint a mental picture for your audience. A lot of the times the details are more important than the story. Describe what you sensed (smells, sights, sounds), and describe how things made you feel. And don't be afraid to embellish the story a little for entertainment purposes, it just make the experience more enjoyable.

Also be emotional when telling a story. Be excited and be involved in it. If you're not enjoying telling the story, the audience is probably not enjoying listening to it either.

DAMN!!! thanks man!
last thing, have you guys heard of the eye soul gazing routine? how does that work? anyone have a link to the routine?