There seems to be an never ending stream of newbies coming in and leaving here just as quickly.

i sometimes think this forum is a revolving door!!! and the same questions are answered every day by meth, monkey xfman etc

One thing i am wanting to state is this as its been bugginh me for a fucking while..

I feel people need to trial their openers before posting here to get feedback from it. You will not beat the in-field feedback that you get from trialling it yourself. After this, then come back combine it with a FR!!

The amount of opinion openers that go through this forum is unbelievable - and im pretty sure they are never tested, even after feedback has been given.

Fucking bravoooo to you MING ,,

YOU are soo fucking damnnn right..... Hands down .....

to me ,, WHAT I THINK ABOUT PEOPLE ASKING OPENERS:

FUCK THIS ,, fuck openers ,, fuck what do I say at stop light, what do I say at park , what do I say at the mall , what do I say at school................................ Fuck all those.

PEOPLE PLEASEEEEEE dont get me WRONG , I know I coming off kind strong BUT , check this out :

You dont actually need any * SPECIAL * openers.......... All you need to say is simple things SUCH AS : " HI " and is not WHAT YOU SAY ,, IT IS HOW YOU SAY IT makes you stands out and intersting. Also IS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY IN OPENERS, IT IS ABOUT HOW YOU FOLLOW UP AFTER THE OPENERS. GET IT ? OPENERS DOSENT COUNT ,, THE THINGS THAT COUNTS IS WHAT COMES AFTER .




MAGIC J .

I love ming.

But do you really think that the people who keep posting the same questions of 'Opener for the railway crossing', 'Opener for the pirate themed bar', 'Opener for the mixed bathroom' and 'Opener for the police raid on my house', are going to read this post?
No they will post their question they could find the answer for somewhere in the archives and then leave when they get the answer of one of us abusing them for it.

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...and i was wondering how can a forum with so many members be so quiet...
usually when a forum has more than say 5000 members you cant check it all out and be active everywhere because you simply dont have enough time. but this is the reason why things are different here!

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mate i totally agree with this line. It is SUPER important what the follow up is and the way that you deliver it. NOT the opener.

i am a huge advocate for natural game - as i think this is what our community should be, and usually is, evolving into. Canned routines are good for a starter - but after that - fuck them off - as quick as possible!!!

And Gia - i agree with you also - just thought i would have a bitch to teh people who listen - but most people deserve to be abused when they come in here - write 3 questions that has been asnwered 50 times before- they dont get an answer that will allow them to snap their fingers and for the panties to drop - and then they fuck off!!

its bullshit

keep on it magic!! im loving it!!

I read this post. I post questions about "stop light openers" not becuase I really need help and it's buggin me but because it is way more fun to run game on girls then to just be myself. I have no problem getting girls I have been doing it my whole life but I just recently started running scripted shit on everything I do and say and for some reason it is devishly more fun. So when I ask " any good ideas for an opener at the .....? I don't really think I need an opener but it's fun to play games with girls and have something witty to say in any position.


If people are gunna be that Butthurt about it I will just ask my sarging buddies opinions on openers and have fun with them.

Later Players

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Hi. Would you like a piece of gum?

The topic of the post is testing openers, not if you like them. Anyone can come up with an opener and post it on the forum but quantity does not equal quality. Post openers you know are tested and that work. That not only increases the quality of the posts found on this forum but helps people in the field. Please do not post openers and ask others to test them in the field for you! Build your own skills up and and something positive to the community by doing it yourself then letting us know if it worked. Anyone can crap out lines and I'm not inerested in being in the placebo group.

.... im guna take may bat and ball and go home..... *sobbing*



dont be a fucking sook mate - if you disagree then say so ...
above is only 3 peoples opinions

I'm not quite sure what a sook is? Well maybe I will still ask about openers. I agree with the opinon openers thing though that is kind of bullshit if you wanna opinion on an opener test it in the field then post how it went. I think that is a good idea. I have an opener im gunna test today. if it goes good i will let u guys no

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prospect -

look forward to hearing it and more so - hearing the result and how you would refine it next time...

and....

a sook means someone who is crying (or sooking) - sorry - an oz thing i guess

to Prospect

hey Prospect .

you need to know.

I can help you ,, I would help you ,, I will help you,, BUT I AM HELPING YOU ............

I dont mean to offense you ,, and I know I am coming off a lil bit strong.. But Prospect let me ask you something...

WHAT YOU ARE FUCKING IN THIS GAME FOR ???

I am sure you are in here for HB ,,, RIGHT ??

so is it right for me to say that

YOU ARE ALSO IN HERE TO IMPROVE YOUR SELF...RIGHT??

SO right now I am actually helping you to improve your game ,, BY TELLING YOU WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO .....

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT ,, FUCK IT THEN .


And please dont get me wrong ,, I am here to help you ALL ,,,I am here to help WHO EVER IS WILLING TO LEARN , AND TO IMPROVE ...

If you like me keep SPOON FEEDING YOU ,, THAT MEANS I am puting a lock on your INNER POTENTIAL. THAT means you will not grow, because you depend on others tooooo much.

IF YOU REALLY NEED OPENERS I CAN FUCKING GIVE YOU OPENERS.. I got openers for anything ,,, I KNOW exactly what to say to a girl ,, I can EVEN USE RADOM THING TO OPEN A GIRL. I can use a fucking leaf that I picked up from the street to OPEN GROUPSSSSSS OF GIRLS ,,, I DID IT BEFORE WITH MY WING.

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT I use my OWN openers,, I creat MY OWN openers....

Think about it .


LOVE ME OR HATE ME. OR JUST FLY AWAY.............................



MAGIC J

i tried one. it worked. check it out.

My STOP LIght Opener





Me: Excuse me to you know where the Olive Garden is?

HB7: Ya it's over on Sunrise and Greenback

Me: Great do you want to follow me there or should we just take 1 car?

HB7: **starts busting up laughing*** and goes umm...

Me: **interuping*** No seriously though come to Kareokee with me this Tuesday (chicks love kareokee). What's ur email address?

HB7: ***laughs again*** Email? I'll give you my number

Me: That's weird we just met. Fine what's ur number

BOOM!!!

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Prospect,
I love it! You number closed that quickly? Bravo. Did you end up going on that date?

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she didn't answer her phone I'm gunna call her tomarrow and see if she wants to meet me at a club. I thought it was a good opener but maybe your right maybe it's too quick and that's why she didn't answer. hmmm more tomarrow night when I call again. I'll keep ya posted.

Also, I don't want to start a new thread about this, I will if I don't get enough opinions, but, I have 2 questions for everyone.

1. How long do you wait 2 call? I know the standard is 3 days but I ususally try to do anywhere from 4 to 6 days unless under special circumstances.

2. How many attempts do you give a girl before you toss her number? for instance the number I got at the stop light she didn't answer. I'm gunna call 2marrow. if she still flakes should I do the old 3 strikes and your out? that is what I usually play by. Give me some opinions folks I don't wanna start a whole thread on this bullshit.

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First prospect - nice work on the trial opener.
i think it was an excellent one and has good potential - but after your opener you built no rapport with her. You have come off interesting, bold and confident from the start - which is appealing to a women. but after that you need to build some kind of familiarity between you two.

there is norhing wrong with the common questions here - what do you LIKE to do? tried anythign new lately? etc

when you stop to talk to a girl remember - YOU ARE SEEING IF SHE IS RIGHT FOR YOU!!!! The conversation you have is to see if she could be someone your interested in - there is no need going on a date with a chick you have NOTHING in common with and cant even hold your conversation - i fuckin hate boring chicks who cant take my shit and give it back - i can tell this in an initial conversation. if i dont feel it, i just say... 'thanks, ill catch you later'



SECONDLY... i want to to start reading some posts by magic - ill try find one i read the other day. You mind set and languge is ALL wrong!!
found it: check out the way he writes - he sounds bold, assertive, confident and above all FUN (all which chicks LOVE)
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dont see if she wants to meet up - tell her to meet you - dont be disgruntled about her not answering - she is missing out on hanging with an outgoing fun guy - fuck her. it was a good opener - but just needs a bit of work on the follow up.

you sound full of doubt about yourself... no, no and no
forget all rules about this - i am a true believer on calling when you feel is the right time. Now, the right time is dependant on how strong your initial contact is. With your minimal contact and rapport, i would have called the next day - and possibly even messaged something playful as soon as she walked away to strengthen the contact.

If the contact is real strong - then you could leave it up to three days.

Also, when calling - i think something good to do is to keep yourself busy while talking. clean room, walking down the street etc this allows you not concentrate on your words too much and allows for more natural flow.

im happy with three strikes - there are heaps of other women to do...