I stick to my guns when I believe that the HB scale is another term, like marriage, that has taken on way more than it can handle. When we speak of "marriage," we speak of a spiritual union as well as a religious union. When we speak of the "HB scale," we have to figure out if we're talking about her VALUE to male sociaty or her self VALUE. Waaaaay too much going on there.

I think many of the senior members know that I'm not a fan of the HB scale, especially when used to "brag" or "critique" a girl to friends. Whatever, nothing I EVER say will change the need for men to brag in the locker room. I've always said that the HB scale is best used for calibration of approach rather than hotness.

I believe that the only thing that any rating scale like this can possibly represent is a person's attractiveness to you, the rater. Nothing more and nothing less. Everyone has different preferences on both physical, mental, and all other levels.

Percived value is fine, and i agree the person you described isnt high value to me either. However, she IS high value to many people simply beacuse it is just another way of looking at her attractivness (physical).
Sure, a slight touch of her personality slips though by how she acts etc but fundermentally its still just a personal taste of women. You are probably more into the women in red dress with her hair curled drinking that martine? Rather than the half naked model with a pint in each hand.


What you gain from the way a person acts is what i would call the percived value. That is, what you value you them as. (PV for short).

PV would work in many ways, and would be more universal. a PV10 could be a women in a suit in a bently to 1 man, and a punk rocker smoking weed to another. You could make assumptions on what both of their personalitys are like by how they act (intelligant, advernureous etc etc) but you could also gauge their perception of themselves by how they act within their group or w/e.
However, the big problem is until you open them you are doing nothing more than ASSUME what value and qualities she has until you open her.
Now, i think the HB scale has already evolved into that. People find different things attractive by assumptions they make about the person. In such that style can make a person attractive or less attrative (just as smiling/posing would be attracitve to different people).

I dont think there is a need to make the scale more detailed, 0-10 has and will continue to work fine.

If i would suggest anything it would be a name change.
PV - percived value. This would be what YOU consider the target to be. Not ver important when you read my second point. But still would be personal to the individual, since the reason newbs find opening a HB10 hard is because they add so much value onto the target that they come off as needy.
The most important thing in regards on how to calibrate your approch would be what i would call the:
SPV- socially percived value. This would be what you would consider sociaty to value her as. This would be the most important because it would likly reflect how she values herself. Since a humans relatity is based upon feedback far more than self opinion. Now before you argue that "she could have confidence issues or w/e" this would be noticed by sociaty by the way she walks/talks and interacts with people.

SPV would also incorpirate things like intelligance, some1 in a nice car would have more value than some1 on the street. a beatuiful lady would have more value than your gran. etc etc.


Just an idea.
/madals - solving problems from birth