Hey guys,

I fell into the newbie trap. The trap of reading too much about numerous different systems and absorbing as much information as I could find online.

This has created a sizable dilemma. I've found (from reading about basic outlines and hearing results given about the systems) that I'm definitely intrigued by MM, BB, and C&F from articles and videos I've found on them, yet, being the overly-analytical bastard that I am, I find it hard to know which system would work for me. Of course, I know the saying "you never know unless you try", but I realize that in order for a something to be successful, that it has to work in a way that is congruent with your personality.

So, I've decided to put pride aside and listen to what you guys recommend (who are obviously more knowledgeable that I) have to say.

My personality is more or less intellectual and I have a tendency to think deep. And as for my looks, well, I'm often accused of being 17 (when in actuality, I'm 22) and covered in tattoos (if any of the information above is even of any importance).

Based upon your understandings, which method would work the best for me?

Thanks for reading and I hope you guys didn't fall asleep reading this. lol.

- Diable

Ok, the thing you gotta remember, is after awhile...your gonna have your own style for picking up women. MM, C&F...these are just tools and guide lines. Me personally.....I use a mix of alot of different things.

Here's some homework......I want you to go out tomorrow. The first attractive women you see, Work, store, whatever....open her. Even if you get shut out in 5 minutes....you now have experience. Next attractive girl...open her....dont make same mistake as last time....and you learn. Adapt.

You've read alot, now apply it. Because a good pick up artist is built in the field, not the books. Come back and read posts here. Give field reports, let US critique your game. We're all bro's here....we'll help.

~Bama

Thanks for the advice, fellow Southerner. lol.

I understand the part about experience in the field, for sure. I just didn't want to "go into the battlefield without a strategy" I guess.

As for the field reports, definitely.

I'll do what you recommended tomorrow and give you a report back.

Once again, thanks.

No problem, and yea, I can't wait to hear from ya man. Happy sarging!

Midday report:

Had to return home briefly (on lunch) to handle a few things, but sarging at work has been a no-go so far due to the fact that every customer has been older than dirt. If all else fails, I'll try this again tomorrow during my weekly paycheck/mall ritual. Keeping it brief. If anything happens from now until after work (11PM is when I get off), I'll keep you informed.

Only saw 1 girl all day that I had a chance to approach (due to none of my high strung managers watching my every move...and, well, she was the only hot girl I saw all day).

Went in with a simple opener: "Hi, you need help finding anything?"

*thinks* "No, I'm good for now".

About to transition, until she turned around revealing a dreaded cell phone attached to her ear. GAH! . And coincidentally, my manager comes around the isle and pretty much adds more damage.

Oh well, not sweating it. I'll try again at the mall tomorrow.

I just posted about sarging at work in another thread:

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Not saying it's the same for you, but just to be weary about bosses seeing you potentially harrassing customers!

This is why I say to assess the situation first:

1. Before, did you receive any IOI's?
2. Did you notice the phone?

So, she's in the shop, looking for something and on the phone - so definitely not receptive to any kind of approach.

You remind me of me quite a bit - and for the record, I would say you are intelectual as they are deep-thinkers. This can be a bit of a disadvantage as you may well over-analyse situations and potentially thnik yourself out of an approach.

My advice? All the reading is a guide, not a manual to step-by-step approaches. If it were that simple, then none of this would be necessary.

You use the guides to tune your approach. Don't use them to mimic other peoples' approaches - what works for them won't work for you. It needs to fit your personality. Be yourself.

As for looking 17? I wouldn't mind a bit of whatever your drinking! Looks have less to do with this than what you say. Wise man say "never judge a book by it's cover" Get her to read past the first page, or more precisely, to want to read past the first page. Looks can fade very quickly.

Think about this - I like listening to music - music has no face, but it does have a story to tell. Certain melodies stimulate my senses more than others. Looking at some of the artists, well, if they didn't speak/sing I probably woudn't give them the time of day.

Get the picture? (metaphorically speaking of course!)

Keep me posted on your efforts!

"G"

I got a very slight IOI. She looked at my friend (a fellow associate) and me. Didn't smile at him, but smiled at me. So I figured "Fuck it" and in accordance with the 3s rule, went for an indirect "may I help you" approach. Didn't notice the phone. LOL.

And I definitely get the picture though. Although looking 17 and being 6'3 180lbs kinda takes a bit away on initial approach. i.e. I get more people telling me I'm "pretty" or "cute" as opposed to "Handsome". lol. And I realize now from reading some of the posts that the books are more or less lessons that I should implement.

Didn't get to do the mall thing today (pops had to use my car), but I still have my sights on tonight. I'll keep you guys posted.

And thanks a million for the advice G!

Pick the method that makes you look more laid back,but honestly why not just be fluid and use ALL of the knowledge you learned. In a sense you are a bit similar to myself because sometimes i tend to over analyze things. Also since you are more intellectual don't go around rationalizing actions and feelings to the girls , reverse it on them.

FIRST SOLO SARGE FIELD REPORT:

Fucking a! lol

Well, I went in keeping good alpha posture. Got comfortable, played a little black jack, did some Karaoke...and then, decided to break some sets. Did 3 the whole night, mainly because I lost track of time having fun with Karaoke.

First set:

"Hi"

*dirty looks, shoo'd off*

Fun stuff.

Next set:

ME: "Hey, do you guys know where any goods clubs are around here?"

HB7: "No, I don't"

HB8: *shakes head* "sorry"

Dude with them: Nah man, sorry.

BLANKED.


On my way out.


Set 3:

Me: "Hey, do you guys know of any good clubs around here?"

*dude at table shakes head*

HB8: "This is as good as you're gonna get tonight."

Me: "What about on another night?"

HB8: "Pretty much it. Are you out tricking with a fake ID or something?"

*play Wheel of Fortune bankrupt sound*

Me: "Nah, I'm 21" (back of my head: "I'm 22, you can count the rings around my trunk if you'd like". Got my own age wrong, wtf?!. lol)

HB8: "Are you looking for a bar or a club?

Me: "Pretty much (wtf?!). Whatever I can find that's still bumpin'"

HB8: "You could try blah blah."

Me: "I can't (stuttered slightly) go there. (BAD STORY ATTEMPT) Because the last time I went, I went to (blah blah) and I got into a fight. You see...I went into the club...with my friends...and this big, drunk idiot - "

HB8 (interrupting): "Try Club Europe"

Me: "Club Asia you mean?" (no offense intended, if you've ever been there you'd know why it's called that. I've got Asian friends who laugh when I call it that because they know it's true. lol)

*both people laugh*

Me: "Last time me and my friend (blah) went there, we were the only 2 non-Asian's there. But we had a blast."

A few nods. Awkward silence.

HB8 to Guy: "When is my boy getting here? GAH!"

Awkward silence.

Me: "Well, I'm gonna go see what trouble I can get into"

Leaves, trying not to laugh.

Ok, so I didn't do too good...But, it awakened a new beast so to speak. Probably go out tomorrow night too.

I learned a few things:
A.) I need to make myself look a bit older.
B.) I should've brushed up a little.
C.) Karaoke is a tool used by bars to prevent sarging.

I'm proud, you made progress! Don't think your gonna go out and get laid from the first set. It takes time practice and perfection. Mystery spent 12(I think) years perfecting his game. I'm sure he didnt get good on his first 3 attempts. Good job though. The key is: confidence, body language, and talking.

On your looks....I'm 20 and I still get told that I look 16/17....that was untill I got my hair cut and styled to a much shorter clean cut look. Use some pomade, or some sorta styling product. ( I have a friend thats a hair stylist though). The night I got it cutt, I went from looking 16 to being offered free drinks!

Now I have a wedding to attend and sarge. Happy hunting man!

Definitely not expecting to get laid or even #close my first night alone.

I also realized (just by thinking about interactions I make on a daily basis) that my naturally sarcastic/dry humor could definitely be a plus if I learned how to hone it (I noticed DD's sense of humor is somewhat similar, only perfected).

I'll keep the haircut thing in mind. Right now, it's faded on the sides and back but a bit long on the top (spiked almost like ATB's hair). I've been told by a few people that I should shave it again (apparently it "fits me").

But last night gave me some more confidence. Awakened a beast so to speak.

Have fun at the wedding man. Don't drink too much bubbly.

Thanks for the report - good to see you're making progress!

A few points to remember for your next outing:

1. In conversation, make sure you avoid

a) Fighting. It may be the act of an alpha male in the animal kingdom (to prove to the females who is strongest) but we have evolved. Girls don't like fighters, unless it is necessary to defend them in such a situation, otherwise you loose the impression of coolness.

b) Avoid the race comments, even though they seem innocent. Girls are much more susceptable to such comments

2. Absolutely avoid karaoke, unless you have practiced and you are a real smooth singer. Avoid any activity that draws attention to you. You need to remain a "blank canvas" until the time you approach. The first impression last the longest!