Now accepting the first five students to Private message me so i can walk them through the Octberman walkthrough. This will be like a class. I will in detail walk each student through The 4 major steps in completeing the quick fix in PUA. After each Major Step several points will be defined on how to complete and sussesfully complete the sequense

UPDATE**** there will be 7 people i walk through this class NOT five those lucky five students will be:

1. Hobbit

2. Forkit

3. Ace of spades

4. Zip

5. C_n12

6. Lowtax

7.russianbear

congratulations You will be the 7 who i will walk through the OMS.

Before we begin Ground RULES first

1. NO OTHER PERSON OTHER THEN MY STUDENTS ARE ALLOWED TO POST ON THIS THREAD. If you have anything to ask Private message me or post it on another thread. I respect EVERYONE but this is NOT for giving me NEGATIVE feedback.

2. The Octoberman will require Work (but is a quick fix) So ASK PLENTY Of questions.

3. For the people that dont like what im doing! I will responsibly teach the OMS to students who VOW to use this for the sole purpose of in riching other peoples lives. (Studnts vow in PM not in thread) So basically rule 3 be sensible! lol

Assignment one
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Post intentions and reasons for why you want to learn the OMS then explain how you want use it in your future. Due by 5/10/08 (the faster Assignments are completed the faster this class will run) For the subject make it Assignment one

I wish to learn the Octoberman for a variety of reasons. One, I simply want to learn all the techniques associated with the game so that I can use what works best for me and the only way to know that is to learn it all. I want to have all the tools at my disposal to use to make a connection with women in an effort to become a better social animal. Also, any opportunity I have to bring joy and happiness into someone's life, or enhance it where it already exists, is something that interests me.

My intentions for learning the octoberman was, Even though getting girls was never that hard for me getting them to stay loyal was the problem. i was consistently in good relationships with terrible endings. I was always the ass by the end of the relationships. So im not going to lie I changed my Charater from Leader to DOMINATOR, ever since i have taken this role I have even more people looking up to me and women they dont even try to cheat or act funny around me anymore. They now know im in charge and if they dont ROLL WITH IT, I ROLL ALL OVER THEM! women will take advantage over you when your weak! What mean weak, my sister died of cancer Dec. 6, 2006 (RIP SONYA) thinking my girlfriend would support me (she did) but she looked at me as if i was the victum and she took control of the relationship while i was GRIEVING. After about a week pasted an i collected myself it was to late i then realised that i could never get my power back over her again. Thats when i realized that Not only do i have to Make myself more powerful i must also beable to maintain that power! So thats my Fucking sob story on how i became the Green Ranger......

Not gonna fly, Mr.Im-18-and-use-OMS-to-to-trick-girls-without-understanding-the-real-ethics-of-pickup

Unfortunately you're on an open forum. If you want to make rules like that, then make your own forum, or a blog or something. Conduct this via PM, but don't try to make rules on a forum that isn't yours.

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The thing is, that's not reasonable. Its a PUBLIC FORUM. Seriously dude... think about that for a minute, and if you can't find the flaw in your logic, you shouldn't even be considering trying to teach the OMS....

How is something that requires lots of work a quick-fix? Can you say oxymoron....

I'm actually really surprised that after your last threads about the OMS, which happened to bring your reputation down to what is it.... -5.something.... that people actually want to learn this from you... It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the "October Man." My guess is you just read the document by IN10SE, and have deemed yourself a guru on the subject.

I have some theories, but I won't spoil anything for anyone...

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I thought you were going to send me the pdf, I'm not looking for some half ass lessons. Thanks though.

While I don't agree with Green Ranger trying to make his own rules I also don't believe you should judge a book by it's cover. The -5 doesn't mean much - some of our greatest historical leaders were more persecuted than accepted. You are never going to be open to learning everything there is to learn if you close your mind off to possibilities no matter how impractical or unuseful they may seem. Things can often far different than assumed once experienced.

He is offering to educate you free of charge because he claims it has enriched h is life and believes it can help make your lives easier and your interactions more successful; what are you complaining about?

On calling OMS a quick-fix what was meant by that was that it would take work to master it and such mastery would gaurantee a shortcut or loophole (quick-fix) to make your future interactions easier.

- Chris

c_n12:

I'm not sure if you have, but if you haven't, I would suggest taking a look at some of Green Ranger's older posts on the "October Man" and my responses to those posts.

Note that those threads are now locked, and were locked for good reason, IMHO.

It's also worth noting, I was known as "lucid" in those threads. I changed my name recently, to reflect a change in my life from when I had joined the forum until now.

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Reverse, you are correct I had not read his previous posts but upon going back and reading and giving this whole october man debate some thought I have come up with my own view on it which I would love to hear the opinions of others on. Although I do agree with Green Ranger (that OMS is okay to use) on many levles some lines that disturbed me deeply were:

"Do you think im thinking about them girls? Nope if they have to pay 4 therapy then ok"

"Being a PUA is about tricking girls 2 sleep with you anyway."

"But anyone intrested in creating girlfriend and mind control! or anything mega diabolicol Then Private message me! i will be more then happy to TEACH YOU"

which seems to strongly contradict, "I would REVEAL the OMS if wanted women to get hurt but im not."

I think OMS is ideal for anyone who has struggled socially and wants to attract women AS HUMAN BEINGS and not control their emotions like sex dolls. Women tend to be far more caring and compassionate at a core level than most men and the last thing I would ever want to do is hurt one (under most circumstances. As with anything there are exceptions of course)

OMS is not about trying to stir these emotions to hurt women but to enrich the lives of a man and the women he dates. Like pick-up and attraction, OMS gives a woman more of what she desires - FEELINGS.

Personally sex is not the first thing on my mind when meeting a woman. The first thing on my mind when I meet a gorgeous woman is getting to know her as a person and allowing the both of us to create good feelings in one another and let whatever happens happen.

Although empasis on sex seems to be the typical male thought pattern (which there is nothing wrong with, we all have different desires and needs) I can safely say 110% that I use my techinques with the first priority of meeting and getting women to like me in a sexual way but not with the intention of getting them in to bed at a certain speed. To me they are people first and the sex is secondary.

However all interactions are a form of manipulation. If we weren't manipulating women we would not have to do the honorable thing and take a woman through comfort - we could just have sex with her and let buyer's remorse run it's course (no rhyme intended).

Just by using the process of pick-up (such as MM) you are limiting her choice and emotionally compelling her to a point of sleeping with you; all pick-up is a form of hypnosis because you are compelling her to feel certain emotions involutarily.

OMS should NEVER be used purely for sex by any means - such things could damage a woman's psyche. It should be used to strenthen emotional connections and intimacy. We got in to pickup to gain a certain degree of power - not to hurt a woman but to enrich our own lives and OMS is the highest form of that power. Under appropriate use these techinques allow a woman to feel happier and more "in love" than she has ever felt in her life.

As for this "rape" crap you and the woman are both emotionally consenting much in the same way you would be if you used 5-7 hours to stir up her emotional willingness using the Mystery Method. Even without OMS it more than easily possible to "rape" a woman in a similar manner - seducers who skip comfort building do it all the time.

It is not so much a routine as it is a skillset; once you understand the principles behind NLP and hypnosis, it becomes fairly easy to create your own OMS based routines. Something shouldn't be regarded as wrong or forbidden just because someone of high value told you it was.

This of course is just my take on OMS and everyone has a right to their own views and opinions.

- Chris

To practice forbidden shit like this safely and responsibly, one must be very experienced in the art of Speed Seduction and very enlightened so that he is completely free from EGO.

Please, take my word for it. You guys are going to fucking regret this.

I personally have not read the OMS, but i cant believe that its so serious that some have even considered calling it rape. You almost make it seem like its a super power. I think my morals are in good shape so I think id like to take a look at the octoberman, not even to use it just to see what all the fuss is about.

Great take on the October Man. It's obvious you put some actual thought into this. However, I wholeheartedly agree with _Chief_, the October Man is just not worth learning. The the results from properly learning and applying the October man, and similar techniques are not worth the incredible amount of time, effort, and responsibility they require.



And with that, I'm going to stop my public debating of the "Forbidden Patterns." My opinion has been voiced, and heard by all those who will listen.

For anyone truly interested in discussing NLP, Speed Seduction, and the "Forbidden Patterns" in more detail, please PM me. I'm always open to discuss, debate, and possibly provide insight and/or direction. That said, I can not, and will not, claim the ability to teach something of this nature.

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I want to learn this stuff not for the OMS itself - rather for the skills required. If Green Ranger has used OMS with success before, it means he has the kind of NLP mastery I'm looking for in a teacher.

Some of you here know me, and while I jest a lot, hurting another person is the last thing I would do if given the power. I understand the responsibility that comes with this knowledge.

Second, I want to examine what has been proclaimed the most powerful technique in pickup. I'm not one to pass judgement about something I know little about. The OMS is thought of by most people I know as immoral, yet I doubt many of its critics have ever understood it. I want to discover the principles of it before I form my own opinion. Twotimer's document has been a fun read, but it failed to clarify some key points to me - hence my looking for answers from Green Ranger.

Personally, I have always been taught that you can never get a person to do something they don't want to do. I have been hypnotised a number of times, and I expect the Octoberman will be exactly that - an experience both the hypnotist and the hypnotee willingly share together. What results it will bring - I'm keen to find out.

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On we plough.

Love,

Ace