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Thanks Chief, Being new, I couldn't get every word of it..
I will look for the meanings on the post and leave doubts here also so that if I don't find it in the earlier posts - I know where to look at

didn't pass the congruence test - ? not sure what is that.

next her ??

BT and close --??

...in the mean while I am looking around for the meanings..
Raul, there are two Ask Me threads in the newbies section of this website. I'll answer your current questions now as to the definitions, but in the future please try to post the right things in the right threads.

A congruence test, also known as a shit test, is anything a woman says to you that tests and challenges your frame. A PUA is required to maintain a strong and dominant frame, and women will verbally and physically test you to see if you are really as attractive as you appear to be.

Nexting is basically mentally saying "Next!" and moving on to a different girl. A PUA must always be willing to do this to avoid a scarcity mentality and to adopt an abundance mentality.

Pumping BT is pumping Buying Temperature. Buying Temperature is a woman's current temporary state of emotional arousal. There are many routines designed to do this.

There are three "closes." The first is the number-close, the second is the kiss-close, and the last is the full-close.

I recommend that you at least read The Venusian Arts Handbook (aka The Mystery Method) by Mystery. That book should answer most of the questions you may currently have.


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I believe I am in a similar situation that you used to be, as a freshman (15) in high school, though a bit naturally better off than you made it sound. But anyway, in terms of material, what do you think are the best resources for natural game, as well as what you think are the best resources for developing a strong inner game?


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I believe I am in a similar situation that you used to be, as a freshman (15) in high school, though a bit naturally better off than you made it sound. But anyway, in terms of material, what do you think are the best resources for natural game, as well as what you think are the best resources for developing a strong inner game?
Whats up!
In my strongest opinion, I think "The Zen of Meeting Women" by Max Weiss is a definite MUST in terms of getting "natural game" down. RSD's Blueprint Decoded DVD set is even better.

When I was about the age you are at now, I developed my inner game almost completely from David Deangelo's work, especially his Advanced Series. I even went so far as listening to it in my sleep!

My review of The Zen of Meeting Women:
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I wish this book were available in ebook form so more people could have an opportunity to read this. The Zen of Meeting Women offers some of the best Inner Game teachings I've ever seen in the community. The concepts may be difficult to grasp at first, especially if you aren't used to having a very open mind about things, but this text sets you on a very effective path to becoming a very happy and centered natural at pickup.

Reading this book alone will not set you on a fast track path to becoming a total master at pickup, however. People should study Mystery's M3 model for more specific steps, but you should always see the Outer Game through the eyes of your Inner Game. I think The Zen of Meeting Women can give you some of the best pairs of eyes a PUA can have.

This book does offer a suggested yet limited step-by-step Outer Game model, though. If you are just interested in becoming a well-centered individual who's a pretty good PUA, this book is perfect. This book alone cannot suffice as "advanced material," but it's all you'll ever actually need for practicality's sake. For PUAs seeking MORE...for PUAs seeking glory and becoming one of the best... this teachings in this book are a necessary, yet unfortunately overlooked, foundation for success.

I would recommend this text to anyone and everyone. Top marks.

Hopefully there will be a sequel that goes deep into specifics about Night Game and Set Theory. That should be an interesting and useful read.
Check out the full thread for more on this book:
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RSD's newest hot product, Blueprint, is definitely a positive milestone in the community. It personally think it lives up to all the hype. I highly recommend googling it for vivid descriptions. :wink:

If you are in PMZ, there's a short useful High School pickup bible available right here on this very website:
high-school-pua-bible-by-blues-vt12455.html

Feel free to ask any more questions about the specific products I recommend.


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Concerning #2. For the majority of human history, males have set the laws of society. Even back then, humans were monogamous. Wouldn't this monogamy be an evolutionary adaptation (of thought) much like PUA? Just because our hardwiring is still similar to other primates who do not form pair groups, isn't that part of what helped us progress to the level we are at: the forming of these pairs, raising of young, etc.

I find this interesting and your knowledgeable enough to talk about it.
WARNING: This post may be offensive to some, but is not intended to degrade or belittle anyone.

One great thing I love about evolution is that it's never stopping.

It is VERY possible that monogamy has become at least somewhat of an evolutionarily adaptive mechanism, and monogamy most likely is in the genetic coding of many men out there from generations upon generations of monogamous preferences imposed by social/legal influence/pressure. However, I think that the older is stronger, and that these monogamous preferences are mostly a result from how our current society has been nurtured. I think that the adaptive functions from our primate days determine more dominance over our desires and motivations.

I personally don't like the idea that there's a good possibility for our species to move toward more monogamy. On a genetic level, that means that the male chromosome is shrinking and dying, and theoretically it could lead to a world with women leaders and severely oppressed men. From what I have learned from the PUA community, it is ethically GOOD for men to have CHOICE in their love lives (women already have plenty of flexibility in mate choice), and the proposed evolutionary possibility stands against this moral concept.

The older is stronger, and I think that also means that the older is more true. I think we as men would be being truer to our human nature by striving toward obtaining more choice in our love lives. We would be denying who we truly are on the inside if we conform to monogamist ideals of eternal fidelity. For each individual man, it's definitely going to be more of an almost sacredly personal choice of whether or not to marry one woman and be with her for the rest of his life. However, on a broader scale for our specie's sake, I think it'd be better for more men to have multiple sexual partners, and to pass on genes that say "Yes I like having sex with multiple women and I don't prefer the monogamous ideal of having sex with one and only one woman."

Modern western culture drilled monogamy into our heads through religion and other organizational conformities. As a result, there are a lot of perceived necessities for monogamy in our current society, evident in the legality of raising our offspring until they are 18 years of age. In the "primitive" tribal setting, or in the wild, children can probably actually fend for themselves within their own peer groups at a much younger age, but our current man-made society does not allow for such "uncivilized" social organizations. Therefore, I think that monogamy is CURRENTLY more of a socially imposed value than an evolutionary adaptation.


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Is learning NLP worth it? I got some stuff on SS and all but NLP seems too hard, and not worth it. So is it?

Also, im having some trouble, I need to get out and talk to more women. I can open i got some good ones, I've got ESP, spells routine, bank robber one, I've got the cube, Ring routine and all that shit.


But when it comes down to it, I can't hold up 90% of the conversation.

Anyway you can help me? I also am trying to get over a major one itis...

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Is learning NLP worth it? I got some stuff on SS and all but NLP seems too hard, and not worth it. So is it?
It all depends on your motivation and intent. Most people get into pickup just so they can become more social and pick up chicks and generally become an overall happy, well-rounded guy. If this is you, NLP is probably not worth learning. It takes a lot of effort to learn Speed Seduction, whereas most of the standard game that's popular nowadays (such as the Mystery Method) is a lot more of a social discipline that's easier to get the hang of. Speed Seduction is a hypnotic discipline as opposed to a social one and involves a different kind of effort.

If you want to play around with your own mental capacity and be able to put people into trances where you can give them the gift of having their scopes and emotions expanded to new heights, that's where the realm of the Speed Seduction art comes in. I am personally very interested in NLP and SS because I have a passion for psychology and for understanding the human mind.
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Also, im having some trouble, I need to get out and talk to more women. I can open i got some good ones, I've got ESP, spells routine, bank robber one, I've got the cube, Ring routine and all that shit.

But when it comes down to it, I can't hold up 90% of the conversation.
Running out of things to say? Style recommends slowing down your speech. Not only would this double the time you talk, it would make you more relaxed, which has a bunch of benefits. You also give yourself more time to come up with more spontaneous things to talk about.

Don't forget to multiple thread. Also, here's an article I wrote that may help you:
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Wasup PUAs,
I hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving. I know I did! I was hanging out with some members from the group when all of a sudden this overweight blonde bursts in our scene at In-N-Out and opens our set saying something about her funny shirt...
Oh! did I mention that I got this great leather jacket from Calvin Klein at the outlet in Gilroy? Funny story, really. Y'see, it was originally $400 but my mothher miraculously haggled it down to a quarter of the price. Let me tell you the secret to how she did it...
but before I tell you, listen to this amazing news! The presentation of the Wild Chief Method went smoothly and the last @ meeting went great. A new guy was there, actually. Wondering who it is?
Wow, that's an interesting shirt you're wearing. The girl that opened us at In-N-Out was wearing this funny shirt and she just approaches us guys, obviously drunk, saying "WHO LOVES MY SHIRT?" HAHA so I put my bigass tophat on her head and I pulled it down over her face LOL.

The above is an example of "Multiple Threading" as described in VAH aka MM. You can see some obvious advantages to doing it: it builds suspense and leaves the target thinking that the two of you have a LOT to talk about (stronger rapport).

Should you always multiple thread? NO. That's called Attention Defecit Disorder (and if you DO have ADD this technique should be a LOT easier for you so you're at an advantage). For most of us guys, constant multiple threading can be overbearing and frankly quite a draining task.

Multiple threading consistently lacks closure for a build-up of suspense, but should you be doing this all the time? You actually don't have to do this. Mix up your multiple threading with other conversational strategies.

I was at a coffee shop with Vain earlier tonight and number-closed this HOT blonde sophomore from Panama, so I was PUMPED. Afterward, we sat outside next to this girl I knew. With my high energy it was easy to get into a talkative state. I wasn't multiple threading per say, but I did find myself naturally implementing a certain conversational strategy I read about several years ago.

Here's the strategy (I tried to find a source for this but many PUAs have talked about this and not one can take credit): Break up any sentence she says into separate elements. "I love it when my friends send me mail." From here, you can ask her about 1) things she loves, 2) her friends, 3) her mail, or talk about 4) things YOU love, 5) your friends, 6) your mail. Options 1-3 can get HER talking more, and 4-6 gives you opportunities to tell DHV stories. Also, you don't have to rely on what SHE says. You can break down any sentence YOU say to lead into different threads. You can either wait until she reaches some sort of closure in what she has to say or you can actually conclude what you're saying before moving onto the next topic (which you already have in mind), OR you can multiple thread. Using this strategy, you will NEVER run out of things to talk about until YOU CHOOSE to end the interaction. Use calibration to determine whether you should get her talking more about herself or if you should DHV.

Combine and balance this skill with your multiple threading for optimal effects. Every PUA is unique, so find your own special mix that works best for you.

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Oneitis? GFTOW.
If you go fuck ten other women, you'll finally see that your oneitis girl isn't so "special" after all. If you find that you are UNABLE to go fuck ten other women, you should finally understand that the reason behind your oneitis is from having a scarcity mentality, therefore you need to just improve your skill.

Hope that helped.


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Chief,

I see you have extensive knowledge of the available DVDs on the market. I went ahead and bought these in the end: is-this-a-good-deal-vt20020.html

What order would you recommend watching them in? There are so many I don't know where to start, and it's about 250 hours of video!!!

Thanks


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Chief,

I see you have extensive knowledge of the available DVDs on the market. I went ahead and bought these in the end: is-this-a-good-deal-vt20020.html

What order would you recommend watching them in? There are so many I don't know where to start, and it's about 250 hours of video!!!

Thanks
First off, be sure to skim through everything to make sure that those products work. There are a lot of scammers out there that sell you blank CDs.

It really doesn't matter which order you view them in, as long as you watch whatever you want to learn from.

However, I would start with David Deangelo's Advanced Series. I think his Advanced Series lays the basic groundwork of knowledge you'll need to develop Inner Game. To maximize the efficiency of your learning curve, I think you should switch back and forth between Inner Game related programs and Outer Game related programs to balance out mental and practical growth. So, for example, you could watch Mehow's Infield Exposed program after you watch the Advanced Series. Then, Blueprint. Then, Mind of Mystery, and so on and so forth.

Whenever you feel like taking a "break" from serious stuff, pop in the Jeffy Show. It's hilarious! And, even though it's one of the more comedic PUA programs out there, I learned the most important lesson in pickup I've ever learned from that program than from any other one: the game is all about having FUN. Save the Jeffy Show for a little later and reward yourself with it after you get some success in-field.

Really take your time with these products, though, and don't rush through them. Each and every one of them has something special to offer and it may take you a long time to really internalize everything there.


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If you find that you are UNABLE to go fuck ten other women, you should finally understand that the reason behind your oneitis is from having a scarcity mentality, therefore you need to just improve your skill.
I had to chime in and say how profound this is to me Chief. I appreciate you mentioning it and it really puts things into perspective. Respect.


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If you find that you are UNABLE to go fuck ten other women, you should finally understand that the reason behind your oneitis is from having a scarcity mentality, therefore you need to just improve your skill.
I had to chime in and say how profound this is to me Chief. I appreciate you mentioning it and it really puts things into perspective. Respect.
Thanks for the props, Dr^ZigMan! The scarcity mentality really does play a huge part in limiting people from accessing their full potential. Everyone says things like "there are plenty of fish in the sea" and stuff like that but it can really be difficult to really get any sort of understanding of it when you are thinking from a position of scarcity.

Abundance mentality rocks. 8)


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If you find that you are UNABLE to go fuck ten other women, you should finally understand that the reason behind your oneitis is from having a scarcity mentality, therefore you need to just improve your skill.
Are you implying there are no special women?
In my favorite movie, Don Juan DeMarco, Johnny Depp talks about how there is a glorious beauty that dwells within each and every woman.

There is something special about every woman that makes her a HB10 in her own way. However, as a PUA one should understand that since there are so many beautiful and special women in the world, obsessing over just one is really foolish... especially when you aren't benefiting from doing so.

Spread the love, yo.


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Chief,

I see you have extensive knowledge of the available DVDs on the market. I went ahead and bought these in the end: is-this-a-good-deal-vt20020.html

What order would you recommend watching them in? There are so many I don't know where to start, and it's about 250 hours of video!!!

Thanks
First off, be sure to skim through everything to make sure that those products work. There are a lot of scammers out there that sell you blank CDs.

It really doesn't matter which order you view them in, as long as you watch whatever you want to learn from.

However, I would start with David Deangelo's Advanced Series. I think his Advanced Series lays the basic groundwork of knowledge you'll need to develop Inner Game. To maximize the efficiency of your learning curve, I think you should switch back and forth between Inner Game related programs and Outer Game related programs to balance out mental and practical growth. So, for example, you could watch Mehow's Infield Exposed program after you watch the Advanced Series. Then, Blueprint. Then, Mind of Mystery, and so on and so forth.

Whenever you feel like taking a "break" from serious stuff, pop in the Jeffy Show. It's hilarious! And, even though it's one of the more comedic PUA programs out there, I learned the most important lesson in pickup I've ever learned from that program than from any other one: the game is all about having FUN. Save the Jeffy Show for a little later and reward yourself with it after you get some success in-field.

Really take your time with these products, though, and don't rush through them. Each and every one of them has something special to offer and it may take you a long time to really internalize everything there.
Thanks Chief, I've already checked through and they seem to work fine. I've started watching Annihilation method so after that I'll go onto DYD Advanced and get my inner game tightened up!

Also, you're definitely right about it taking a long time to internalise, it's going to talk about 3 months just to watch these once each.


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Also, you're definitely right about it taking a long time to internalise, it's going to talk about 3 months just to watch these once each.
I hope you take longer than that to watch those programs. Why? You should also spend time going out and practically applying what you learn in-field! If you've got that balance of learning and applying going on, you'll take more time to go through those DVDs, but you'll actually be mastering the art.


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3) Is it true what they say about asians... you know... having wide screen vision?
3. Um... lol I've never looked through the eyes of a white man before, so I have nothing to compare to. :P
Hey! I can answer this question. I'm white with "asian" eyes. Seriously, people ask me if I'm like half Japanese. I have yet to see a six foot tall Japanese guy with blue eyes and built like a lumberjack. The answer to your riddle Hobbit, is no. I wish I had widescreen vision...and surround sound too. lol

My question is, if my morals seriously conflict with something a girl does or wants to do, (drugs), but I still am interested, how would this affect the girl to know I have a strict ethical code and that I disagrre with her actions?


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