So I was at this party with one of my friends. He is about 6'3 230lbs and is on the football team, and I'm 5'8 190lbs. I was working game on this HB10 and it was going pretty well. All of a sudden out of nowhere he decides that he wants to start working game on this girl. Once he gets set on something like that there is no stopping him and there is no way to try and work game on a girl when he is around. So I decided that the night wasn't over and I opened up a 5 set (all girls). I mostly did this to talk to people because I was bored. There were HB9's and 8's in this group but I wanted the HB10. I number closed all 3 of the 5 girls but I doubt that it will go any further than that. I know that I can meet up with the HB10 again because she is a friend of one of my friends. I just need som advice to go about how to open that girl again.



Note that I am not good looking at all, but I do have a lot of game, and I am more confident than most of the people that you will ever meet.


MorethanStyle

I just find it interesting in america, everyone is rated by height and weight as if bigger is better.

If you can see holes in his game, let him overwork his gaming and make some mistakes, have a girl around you as social proof, and talk to the hb10 with your SP girl, so if your scared about the american football player, he cant see this as you specifically chatting her up.

Open her with the simplest of openers, situational could work well, but depends on environment, it always helps if shes in a good friendly mood.

While talking to her, keep it brief, to suggest you are slightly busy, in general, and you and SP girl are having a great time (What kinda environment is this happening in by the way, more info needed), say something along the lines of "Whos that guy who keeps staring at you?" to DLV him further since he may have shit game anyway.

Keep your convo brief so she cant get comfortable, then you and SP girl breeze off to "have some more fun" because you dont stick around like an AFC. Now if his game continues to wane, theres the chance shell get sick of him, and move around and find you guys, plus if shes a self conscious HB10 she might enter superbitch mode and think she has the upperhand on the football player i she likes him, or get creeped out if his game is shit and she doesnt like him.

Hope this helps

Student X...

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"Losers always whine about "their best", winners go home and fuck the prom Queen!"

"..Carla was the prom queen."

"Really?"

"Yeah" (Cocks gun)

He mentioned it was his friend. I don't get it, whatever happened to 'your wing is a cool guy'? When exactly did we decide AMOGing a fellow player was a good idea?

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I misread, I didn't know he was a friend.

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"Losers always whine about "their best", winners go home and fuck the prom Queen!"

"..Carla was the prom queen."

"Really?"

"Yeah" (Cocks gun)

Thats because everyone here is superficial, even if you don't think that you are.

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A lifestyle is a terrible thing to waste.
What I say when I see her is what I'll say.

Just phone her ALPHA male style, scrip what your going to say

You: hey hows things its xxx
her: oh hi bla bla
You:hows your day been?
her: bla bla you?
You: really busy this and that, cant talk for long just giving you a call to see if you fancy coming out for this or that nothing to crazy just hang out for a bit
Her:oh ok that should be fine

she might be busy or whatever else so just work around her and get her out then game her from there again. Keep it like you need to get off the phone quick cos she might just say "oh ok cool sat then, i wont keep you. see ya sat"

Hope this helps

The football player is probably my best friend and I only gave you his stats so that you could visualize him as being someone who likes to push his weight around when hes drunk. It's actually really funny when hes working game on a girl when hes drunk though because the girls usually never responde well but he will not leave there side the whole night. He constantly repositions himself so that way he is nex to her instead of another guy. Oh and this is happening at a college party environment.

Ok I see, well since he gets drunk, hes not going to be performing to his max, and not leaving their side telegraphs intent.

Ok so a party environment, great, chance to spread social proof etc, focus on having a good time rather than a single target, floating around the party you will get to her anyway, concentrate on the now not "right theres the target" (go into overthinking mode).

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"Losers always whine about "their best", winners go home and fuck the prom Queen!"

"..Carla was the prom queen."

"Really?"

"Yeah" (Cocks gun)

If I were you, I would have just straight out-AMOGed him. He's drunk and he's probably giving the girl a bad time. Just be friendly with him, but say things to make him look stupid. He's so drunk, he probably won't know the difference.

I would do both, Float and funny diss your friend u can't be stealing shit from one another unless you're tag team partners? If he's drunk use negs like you would on a hot chick, his breath(stinks) his eye's(bloodshot) Stance (stumbling) you can even out right bust his chops with this it was one of my fav's a friend used on me when i met a chick at his house party "Slow your roll she's got a man" just say it funny I was hit when he said it tried to comeback but the damage was done, whether she does or doesn't who care's? quit letting his less game having ass poach off of your intro's and if he keeps coming get funny introduce him as your gay friend xxxx and point to some fag and say it's his boyfriend. also if there were that many hot bitches in one place where u at? u may need to check the scales hot bitches 10 are tough to find possible but it sounds like u were at a fast and furious after party " IF the rap is strong u can't go wrong"


"Quality over Quanity, but through Quality Quanity can be acheived"

OK so ur friend is a bit of an asshole for stealing the girl but if like u said he just tries to chat them up drunk and doesn't leave them then u have a couple things workign for u.

first, this guy is clearly not going to be successful....second, u have an ez way to dhv.

All u have to do is join the convo with him and her. Don't amog ur friend or neg him. infact it's probably best u make him look good but indirectly move the attention to urself by controlling the convo. Now u have a strong frame.

Since ur friend is drunk he probably won't pick up on this and if ur complimenting him he'll allow u to continue. Sneak in a story that will dhv u and him...but mostly u. She'll become interested.

Now she clearly knows that ur convo is better then his since he's prolly just an observer now. Slowly he'll prolly realize he's lost and leave. Then the rest is up to u!

Cheers

you guys are the shit.

I cant say i was as fortunate...But I was only exposed to Mystery and Neil Strauss about 2 weeks ago so Im still new to the game. However. I went to a fraternity party with my best bro. We had the advantage since we both were eachothers wingman. Well the party had about 1 woman at the start which meant that we arrived too early... however about an hour later thats when the girls started showing up. they werent the hottest girls youve seen but they were still about 7-8. good practice if youve never been in the game before. well me and my wingman purposely got close to this group of girls about 3 of them a small group and we started talking about our friend who had broken up with his girlfriend about a month ago yet he wants to get back together with her yet hes seeing this other girl on the side loud enough to where we know the girls could overhear us but our backs were partially faced away. So we discussed it and right as soon as we 'came to an agreement', he turned right around and asked for their opinion and to my amazement, they took the bait. One of the girls ended up leaving but it didnt matter that much she was about a 5...the other two girls were HB7 and HB8. well we ended up not having to neg HB8 because we already put off a vibe that you know we were just there to meet new people and just to have a good time (of course though when they came in we ignored them and HB7 ended up rubbin up against me when i was talking to another buddy of mine). Anyway, I had an advantage considering the fact that my full name consists of about 6 names and the fact that im from alaska so i was able to turn a few heads with that on top of that it gave my wingman an advantage too because it gave him the opportunity to Knock me in a way that it wouldnt hurt my reputation if he did it but still raise his status. (i.e. mention the fact that his name was hard to remember too and it was about 2 names total and a total of about 8 letters between them) the thing that we did the opposite of is that we froze out HB7. and HB8 was already moving in toward us. But i could see out of the corner of my eye, HB7 tried to move in closer. well we started to turn away as if we had to go and immediately both HB 7 and 8 said wait and asked for my number...I was amazed at what just happened. I told her that itd cost her and she chuckled. but i gave it to her and right after that HB 7 moved in to HB8 and i overheard her asking for my number. my wingman didnt get any numbers but he remembered to get a kiss close of which stupid me had forgotten. But i was somewhat satisfied it being my first time and number closed 2 women. We left and went to the hooka bar which was packed at the time...we spotted 2 women alone in a corner and decided to settle close to them. again it was another HB 7 and HB 8. We repeated the same process as we did before and to our amazement they took the bait as well. We barely got into the conversation when HB 7 asked me my name...I negged her a little, I responded with 'woah slow down a bit. we just met...at least by me a drink and loosen me up a little bit before you start prying personal information out of me'...both HB 7 and 8 laughed. By this time I let my wingman take control of the situation. It was his turn to be the lead and I switch to being his wingman. He brought up the same thing as before asking their opinion of the situation of the 2 timing boyfriend. and everytime they answered he rebutted with a question that in a way negged her but reeled them in. eventually we were able to work out their names, where they worked, theyre current status (both single), where theyre going to school. Now this time wasnt as successful as before. We had them interested but when it came time for us to go they decided they wanted to leave too so my buddy tried to get in a kiss close. HB8 was hesitant but i could tell by the look in her eye that if her friend hadnt been there, she probably would have. We werent able to get there numbers but i must say. Even though this seems like small stuff compared to what some PUA's have done, Overall for the first time going out, This ended up MUCH better than I had ever expected it to be. It makes it so much easier to have a wingman because starting off its hard to constantly think of a rebuttal so its nice to have a wingman to help out and set it up to where its in my favor again and vice versa.

well i dunno if its too late or not already or if you already pursued her but i found a cool trick. I tried it on one of the girls that i numbered closed and it worked rather well...what you do is send her a blank text dont write anything in it just send it blank...she messages you back asking why you sent a blank message and thats when you write back and say 'what text message? you know you dont have to make up stories if you just wanna talk to me' or something to that extent...already you've just opened up again and for me she ended up calling me and i played it off. since you already got some IOI's you can start asking her about her day and how it went and throw in some rebuttals. well she wanted me to go to a party with her, i replied with 'damn girl, slow down we just met. why dont you buy me dinner first or at least a drink to at least loosen me up a little bit.' she loved it.