I think your reasoning is a bit off there. First off, that 40% is from New York City. That's only one city, in one country. The patrons of this forum are of many nationalities.

Second, if you're assuming the majority of us all are not naturals, then that should mean that if indeed the relationship between naturals and father figures would be much higher than 40%.

For example:

Hypothesis: Growing up without your biological father hinders the ability to naturally attract women.

To prove this, you would have to find that the majority of this forum's patrons (who you assume to be non-natural) did not grow up with their biological father. 40% is hardly a majority. I would personally would not institute a relationship with anything lower than 75%, but atleast choose 51%, seeing as that is a true majority...



Hopefully that made sense to y'all...

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Oh, and I agree with the earlier post that stated "We are a product of our environment"

That seems like a much more reasonable test to conduct, as it would appear to be more related, rather than just "Biological Father.

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Style put it best in The Game. Our families, mostly our father, failed us. To add to this the reason we didnt come out naturals is that while we may have started out the same, we either tried things less frequently or gave up quicker. Naturals may have had positive re-enforcement quicker or at all either by chance or because they were more resiliant. Thats my take.

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"Be the same, only better."

I'm a good model for your case.

Before this PUA I wasn't particulary good with girls ( I had girlfriends because of my looks, but when I liked one I acted all needy and clingy ).

My parents were divorced at a very young age. My mother always gave me this motherly advice "be sweet to girls, just tell how you feel blabla".

I didn't talk a lot with my father.

I can relate to Slyder alot. I play the guitar in bands, I can make people laugh on queue and my parents friends constantly question why I'm not with someone. Simple I don't close.

My father is a very successful surgeon and a great guy but I hardly ever see him. I don't resent him for this as the one thing he has taught me is an incredibly good work ethic. However I was also sent (with emphasis) to an all boys school which I hated with an unrivalled passion. When i changed for college I was hanging out with great fun people and my overall happiness improved.

I have a perfectionist mother and a complete bitch of a sister and THAT is what i think is my problem. I think on a very fundamental level I'm afraid of not being good enough for any woman and I'm far too respectful to them. I suffer from oneitus terribly but that has only ever been with women who've "lead me on" or more accurately I haven't had the balls to actually take to the next plateau. My point being that I think it is the women in our lives that influence us so much more. It's easy to blame your father he's your alleged role model, but here's the thing, he's not you and you are unfortunately a victim of your environment and this includes all the people around you.

That's my two cents anyway.

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I empathize with you man, but at least you already know you issues, so you have a handle on them. The next step is to correct them.

I'm still in high school so that might disqualify me but I am getting into the game.

I see my dad every other weekend, mother has custody from seperation a few years ago. My dad never really taught me much about girls, though it's partly because I avoid the subject with him like the plague and get off it whenever he makes overtures towards it.

In school I'm pretty popular and well liked. I know everyone and everyone knows me. I'm not one of the real popular kids though. I'm a small guy, and was generally quiet, so while I became friends with some of the semi-jocks and generally popular people and stuff when it came to the girls I would be overshadowed by my extroverted friends. So I decided to start improving my social side, and found PUA while looking at self help stuff. I found it interesting and seems a really awesome thing, so now I'm starting to get into it. Also I was frustrated that I felt I could easily be good with girls, I roughly figured out negs and cocky and funny on my own, both not well of course but the concept of them, but I was plagued by approach anxiety and just plain being quiet.

Since I've made great strides and am now already quite popular with the upper middle class girls and talk to the most-popular girls whenever it's convenient. My AA has diminished greatly, and I talk more.

always been way above average with getting girls. game is to get all the other things

I grew up with both parents. I had a pretty rough childhood, though. My parents are Asian, and academics meant everything to them. Anytime things weren't going well for me in school, they'd pull me out. I went to three elementary schools in 2 years.

By the time I was settled in one area, I was so socially inept I couldn't even carry a normal conversation. My dad didn't help me at all in dealing with women. In fact, he didn't help me at all socially. I think that guy has Asperger's syndrome; he fits all the major criteria. I can't even carry a conversation with him for more than a minute. To this day, I have no idea how he got my mother - she's outgoing and hella social.

Anyways, I was a weirdo until sophomore year, and then I completely changed my mentality. I started learning social skills on my own, learning how to be funny, etc. I became one of the popular kids. I ended up getting ridiculously cocky, and got pretty good at flirting with women. It was all superficial, though. I didn't know how to close. You don't bounce back from 14 years of social isolation that easily. I still managed to bag a girl, HB8 - turned out to be a behaviorist.

Anyways, went through a bunch of crap (including the LTR behaviorist) that really messed up my self-esteem and I became a hardcore AFC beta. It was like that for a few years. About 1.5 years ago, I finally picked myself up and started trying to be the confident guy I was in high school. I feel like I'm slowly getting back to where I was. Lifting weights has helped a lot.

I picked up "The Game" and "The Mystery Method" a few weeks ago, and that stuff blew my mind. I wish I had known about PUA years ago. I actually got hit on quite a few times during college (girls and older women tell me I'm handsome), but I always ruined it by pulling some AFC stuff. I could have got laid a lot more.

Hoping to change all that now as I learn more about PUA.

Just wanna add my 2 cents here.

Being Natural is like a Alpha Male in a way.
When your are a baby you pick a Ideal, how 2 behave.
You either can pick a Son dad or Son mom.
And i think alot of PUA are son Moms, cause they fuck with their insecurities.

Further did i grow up with a mom and dad for 21 years now,
but for some reason i picked my mom as Ideal.
And i found out that i'm a HSP.

My question is more like:
If you don't have a Father, does the son becomes the Father at age 12 or something in the family?

I have slept with about 30 girls. All of them had lower self respect than me. I have always brought something to the table with them... something they could benefit from me, and none of them have returned that favor with anything other than sex. They were all 4-7's and a serious 4 year relationship where she was a 6 and I turned her into an 8.5.

I want to get better looking girls. Girls who care about themselves more. I need to step up my game.

My parents divorced when I was 7. I lived with my mom until 14 then my dad until 19. My dad is a huge dick head, and I hated him for a long time. He is critical and negitive, he ran me and my sisters self worth to the ground. My mom is kind of a trashy country girl who grew up in her mothers EX boyfriends home's. Aka she got left behind. She filed my head full of crap by trying to up my self worth.

I want to step above the kind of girls That I have been getting. They are so similar to my mom. Or they have really low self respect. I want to be better than my parents.

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I have grown up with both biological parents and you want to know a secret.
The biggest AFC i know is my father

hmm interesting. i have a sister and mum who some people think is a bit excentric. im a bit excentric thats why funny cocky (im cocky as well) suits me. My mum would have had a major influence on me with women probly more than my dad. oh and im a natural i recon just PU helps with nailing those SHB's

1. No father to teach them, or a bad bond with their old man, perhaps he didn't know how to communicate with his son about the topic. Grandfather sucked at it, so does the father, and the son is screwed!

2. Unstable social circles, at no time was the lovable looser in question in a stable social circle with cool social friends. They were either nerds or people who never truly accepted him.

3. Lack of stable real friends.

4. Influence of parents, and bad upbringing and teachings. This is especially prudent with single child family! where the single child is told that everything around you will kill you, and so the parents isolate that child from the world.

5. Unstability in other parts of his life, ie Meslows theory!

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