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Any advice and even criticisms are welcome as I am still somewhat on a learning curve, but here is the background:
Girl just split with her ex a month ago, I split with mine a month ago as well. She admits missing him, but toxic relationship. Here are the sequence of events:

1. Came across a long time acquaintance at a bar two Sat nights ago, we chatted had a few drinks.

2. By the end of the night, after plenty drinks, I apparently kino'd and touched her ass (she liked it, more on that later).

3. I then kissed her before she left (she did not resist).

4. Her ex ended up being there to pick her up (she asked him to, prior to us kissing), and saw everything that happened.

5. He went all up in my face and got pissed, I apologized politely, him and her moved on (I was already pretty lit at that point as well, my mistake).

6. Sunday noon, I fb messaged her with a smiley face wink.

7. She reaponds right away saying "haha how are you, etc." Then small talked.

8. Next day I messaged her again joking "u recovered?" Then we chatted with more detail regarding sat night. She asks what was up with me touching her butt sat night, i told her i was just having a blast, she says "i know", and i joked, etc. and we addressed the kiss. i just said that I did not see anything wrong with it. And she AGREES. and she says that helped her finally get rid of her ex out of her life. We chatted more on emotional level, she says she misses being in a relaionship, ended the chat good til night, she said it was nice chatting with me today.

9. We chatted again next day, at night she was having wine while we were messaging, and she mentions that someday 'someone' will see the good on her, i said 'maybe' and she says 'yes maybe'. She also says that for a strong woman she gets overwhelmed like this sometimes. We said goodnight, good chat.

10. She asks me to hang out friday night.

11. Came to her place, had drinks , went to the same bar we met last week, made out, she opened up to me saying that she is worried about me still being roommates with my ex. I aknowledged and was respectful. We went back to her place, made out again and went to bed tired, no sex.
I forgot to bring condoms and joked about it nonchalantly. She also joked about how I already assumed that we were going to have sex (maybe she felt hurt or 'easy'? about that?). Anyway, we made out a little. more in bed, although i was a little bit rough and bit her too hard, my bad. Overall good night, we fell asleep, made out again a little in the morning in her bed before i left.

12. Next day, she kept messaging me, and chatted with me relentlessy, very interested more than before, and she even joked 'dont forget to bring condoms' before she even asked if I would like to hang out again tonight. She even offered to pick me up. I agreed, but said that my uber budget is capped so i'd need a ride back in the morning (not sure if i got too demanding or entitled with this). She said she has no problem picking me up and dropping me off. We agreed, scheduled pick up.

13. She picked me up and we got stuff from the store including wine, then relaxed at her house watching tv while she showed some of her pictures from the past when she was in the navy. As we were drinking on the couch and her cuddling with me, she says that she is 'liking' me. She says she likes me because I am intruiguing and cute (she mentions me being intriguing more than once, that she could not figure out whats in my head, those are her words).
We then went to bed and had sex (it may not have been the best since it was our first having sex with each other, a lot of adjusting positions, me being to rough biting which she did not like, etc.,).
This is embarrassing, but as we were adjusting in positions she joked "your p*n*s doesn't like me", we lauhed a little but not sure if that affected her a lot. I proceeded to finger and make out, and she had more pleasure during the fingerings, she even aaid that I got strong fingers. I said because i am a musician. We later on got tired, from two long days, and she said goodnight sweetie, we kissed and went to bed. I saw her take a tylenol PM, and I then asked one (not sure of I was demanding again or 'entitled.')
While we were sleeping that night, I noticed that she did not cuddle me and was not touching me, maybe just because she was tired? Or was in comfy positions?

14. Next morning, im between snoozing alarms, she got up on top of me and we had sex, and switched from woman on top to missionary, finding that sweet spot (again, not sure if that was pleasant to her or not). Embarrassingly enough,she did not scream not orgasm even last night (im disappointed in myself for this). I fingered her again and she seemed to enjoy it, and we napped a little bit with her cuddling me. She was very tired from the day before, like me.

15. Later on that morning she then all of a sudden jumped up from bed, put clothes on. I did so as well. Then she grabbed her keys and told me 'are you ready?' I was almost taken aback by this, and a little surprised.

16. She seemed irritated. But we went out to the door and she hugged me from behind and kissed me from behind. She then took me home but she says she is really tired, and she is coming over to her lady best friend's house to chill. She was quiet on the drive. I was too. She touched my hand once but that was it. Then when she dropped me off she just said 'bye' with a tired/upset look on her face. I said bye but gave her a kiss. Then I got out of the car. Later on she immediatelt posts a meme/gif on facebook, poking about how easing back into dating sucks (animation of a man trying to enter a jump rope session and tripping all over.)


17. That whole day she never initiated a chat with me. At around 8pm at night I messaged how are you doing. And she just said shea fine, still at her friends place. Than asked how i am. We chatted a bit, but it seemed all small talk to be honest. She said that her friend remembers me and that a year ago i told her friend that she is pretty cool. I gave vague answer that 'well, thats not a lie.' Towards the end of the chat, i asked if her bruises healed from my bites, she said no!! And said that she does not like it by the way. I nonchalantly said i respect that. She reaponds with a smiley. Then she said goodnight.

18. Next morning, i was surprised, she messaged me 'good morning sunshine.' We had a good chat throughout the day. But this time i gave some space and long intervals between responses. I did not get back to her until night time. I posted a status update on facebook that i am at band rehearsal. She 'liked' it and so she messaged me 'hows it going?' (After hours of me not messaging her). We had a good chat, she seemed sweet to me. Then later on said goodnight sweetie. I responded sweet dreams beautiful. She responded with a kiss smiley.

19. Next morning (tuesday) i said goodmorning, we chatted, but seemed like small talk. She started to become a little distant or distracted. After giving her space/time intervals before reaponding at night, i reengaged, she then said how it going. I said just got home and how are you. She says that she is feeling 'not so' hot because of the leftovers she ate. I said shes fine, she says 'im sure', i said i have those days too, and sent her a meme saying 'youre hot' (not sure if this is too much validation given to her). She says that i am such a sweetie. I tried to break rapport by switching topic saying that i am checking out an apartment that my sis remmended the weekend or next, she says that is great. I said i'll still need to see the place. No response.

20. Today (wednesday), absolutely no messages from her at all. Did she ghost or slow-fade me?

Any thoughts and any advice on what i could have done wrong, and what I could do better next time please?
I have decent value and social proof due to being in a band and her seeing other girls say hi and vhat with me at the bar. And generally good at humor.
She did admit though that she notices me being jittery at times, but not sure if that is the main issue.
She has two kids, divorced for years, joint custody.
Her ex bf is the second guy she's 'dated' after being single for years, per her words.
I appreciate al your thoughts in this since I need to learn to be better. My heart is torn but i know this is just a case of oneitis.
Thanks in advance.


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OP, it seems to me that some of this is self induced. You lost confidence because you couldn't please her sexually and then let that affect your behavior.

Aside from that, cut it out with the good morning / good night texts. And cut the trivial texting out in general.
Texting is supposed to either be fun, or a tool to set up meets. As is, you're using it to make small talk. Don't text out of boredom or without any reason.
"How are you" is not a reason.

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OP, it seems to me that some of this is self induced. You lost confidence because you couldn't please her sexually and then let that affect your behavior.

Aside from that, cut it out with the good morning / good night texts. And cut the trivial texting out in general.
Texting is supposed to either be fun, or a tool to set up meets. As is, you're using it to make small talk. Don't text out of boredom or without any reason.
"How are you" is not a reason.
Completely agree. I did not know what I was thinking. Smh.

I did it again today:
After maybe almost no contact, I decided for some reason to go direct, and see what was up:
Me: 'Hola pretty'
She: 'hey baby'
Etc etc etc
Me: i realized that the past two weeks was a blaze
Her: what do you mean?
Me: too fast, maybe too soon for you (note: my attempt at reframing as me as the prize. Does this work here?)
Her: i don't know honestly.. i was thinking that for yourself
Etc etc etc
Me: i enjoyed every single bit of experience i had with you
Her: me too, i learned a lot about you (what does that mean?)
etc etc etc
Me: i just did not want you to be scared or anything.
Her: what are you thinking?
Me: i think you are a cool all around woman, thats what i think.
Her: smileyface I think youre pretty cool too....
Her: I was wondering...if we need to keep this at a friend-level. Especially since you are leaving from a 3 yr relationship.
(What does this mean?)
etc etc etc
Me: but I agree, its probly easier if we keep this at a casual (yes, I said casual) level.
Her: ok....
Me: confusing i know
Her: its all good
Me: yeah?
Her: (emoji of her cartoon dancing on a piano)
Me: ha
Me: up at 6. Ugh
Her: me too. I need to get some sleep
Me: yeah. Get some rest. Hittin the hay soon
Her: goodnight sweetie
Me: Night pretty
Her: (emoji of a cat sleeping)

Guys, what did I do wrong here or could have done better, and was there anythinf I did right, to at least save face? Clearly i was struggling. Any critics on this so I can at least learn from it? Feel free to ctitique and be brutally honest please. I appreciate it.


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Completely agree. I did not know what I was thinking. Smh.

I did it again today:
After maybe almost no contact, I decided for some reason to go direct, and see what was up:
Me: 'Hola pretty'
She: 'hey baby'
Etc etc etc
Me: i realized that the past two weeks was a blaze
Her: what do you mean?
Me: too fast, maybe too soon for you (note: my attempt at reframing as me as the prize. Does this work here?)
Her: i don't know honestly.. i was thinking that for yourself
Etc etc etc
Me: i enjoyed every single bit of experience i had with you
Her: me too, i learned a lot about you (what does that mean?)
etc etc etc
Me: i just did not want you to be scared or anything.
Her: what are you thinking?
Me: i think you are a cool all around woman, thats what i think.
Her: smileyface I think youre pretty cool too....
Her: I was wondering...if we need to keep this at a friend-level. Especially since you are leaving from a 3 yr relationship.
(What does this mean?)
etc etc etc
Me: but I agree, its probly easier if we keep this at a casual (yes, I said casual) level.
Her: ok....
Me: confusing i know
Her: its all good
Me: yeah?
Her: (emoji of her cartoon dancing on a piano)
Me: ha
Me: up at 6. Ugh
Her: me too. I need to get some sleep
Me: yeah. Get some rest. Hittin the hay soon
Her: goodnight sweetie
Me: Night pretty
Her: (emoji of a cat sleeping)

Guys, what did I do wrong here or could have done better, and was there anythinf I did right, to at least save face? Clearly i was struggling. Any critics on this so I can at least learn from it? Feel free to ctitique and be brutally honest please. I appreciate it.
You started feeling insecure and wanted to pull away from her so she couldn't pull away from you. I'm in agreement with R.C in this being self-induced and you continue to keep doing this to yourself.

You need to understand that you are a rebound. Rebounds can turn into more but there isn't much room for error. You have to be something to look forward to and not be a cause of stress. Keep it simple...make an invite, hang out and have fun, repeat. Let her be ready to start letting you in deeper instead of you turning into a heavy situation.

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After the first time you banged you should have ignored her for a couple of days, then randomly hit her up saying you were busy, lets go out for drinks at whenever and where ever, then repeat what you did the first time.
You're being too much of a shoulder to cry on. And you dun goofd by not making her cum.


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After the first time you banged you should have ignored her for a couple of days, then randomly hit her up saying you were busy, lets go out for drinks at whenever and where ever, then repeat what you did the first time.
Yeah.. no.

OP, Jack's right. Especially about the part of being something to look forward to, and not another cause of stress. Keep it simple and light. Stop making imaginary problems real.

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Completely agree. I did not know what I was thinking. Smh.

I did it again today:
After maybe almost no contact, I decided for some reason to go direct, and see what was up:
Me: 'Hola pretty'
She: 'hey baby'
Etc etc etc
Me: i realized that the past two weeks was a blaze
Her: what do you mean?
Me: too fast, maybe too soon for you (note: my attempt at reframing as me as the prize. Does this work here?)
Her: i don't know honestly.. i was thinking that for yourself
Etc etc etc
Me: i enjoyed every single bit of experience i had with you
Her: me too, i learned a lot about you (what does that mean?)
etc etc etc
Me: i just did not want you to be scared or anything.
Her: what are you thinking?
Me: i think you are a cool all around woman, thats what i think.
Her: smileyface I think youre pretty cool too....
Her: I was wondering...if we need to keep this at a friend-level. Especially since you are leaving from a 3 yr relationship.
(What does this mean?)
etc etc etc
Me: but I agree, its probly easier if we keep this at a casual (yes, I said casual) level.
Her: ok....
Me: confusing i know
Her: its all good
Me: yeah?
Her: (emoji of her cartoon dancing on a piano)
Me: ha
Me: up at 6. Ugh
Her: me too. I need to get some sleep
Me: yeah. Get some rest. Hittin the hay soon
Her: goodnight sweetie
Me: Night pretty
Her: (emoji of a cat sleeping)

Guys, what did I do wrong here or could have done better, and was there anythinf I did right, to at least save face? Clearly i was struggling. Any critics on this so I can at least learn from it? Feel free to ctitique and be brutally honest please. I appreciate it.
You started feeling insecure and wanted to pull away from her so she couldn't pull away from you. I'm in agreement with R.C in this being self-induced and you continue to keep doing this to yourself.

You need to understand that you are a rebound. Rebounds can turn into more but there isn't much room for error. You have to be something to look forward to and not be a cause of stress. Keep it simple...make an invite, hang out and have fun, repeat. Let her be ready to start letting you in deeper instead of you turning into a heavy situation.
True. I knew it was going to be a rebound but my emotions got the best out of me, and of course became a little bit in denial during the process. So whats done was done, and based on how this conversation ended, do you think it is over and completely in the friendzone due to not pleasing her well during sex?


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After the first time you banged you should have ignored her for a couple of days, then randomly hit her up saying you were busy, lets go out for drinks at whenever and where ever, then repeat what you did the first time.
Yeah.. no.

OP, Jack's right. Especially about the part of being something to look forward to, and not another cause of stress. Keep it simple and light. Stop making imaginary problems real.
I agree. I did not know what the rule of thumb is for when to contact after sex. Like you guys mentioned, I did become insecure about the performance, since that next morning, she became very irritable and wanted to take me home fast. And then she immediately posted a meme on facebook mocking what its like to 'ease back into dating.'
It was an animation of a man tripping over and falling while at jumping rope.
I was pretty hurt by that. Not sure if she wanted me to see that and why.


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After the first time you banged you should have ignored her for a couple of days, then randomly hit her up saying you were busy, lets go out for drinks at whenever and where ever, then repeat what you did the first time.
You're being too much of a shoulder to cry on. And you dun goofd by not making her cum.
Yeah thats true. Actually, matter of fact, even BEFORE she asked me out, she was almost making me a shoulder to cry on, which I struggled to avoid (not having rapport right away, cocky and funny). Days before we banged, she already was telling me 'friendzone' stories of her ex broking her heart and being a douche, of how she misses being in a relationship and misses the connection, and that 'someday' someone will see the real her, etc. So she has been confiding with me like that all week, but still asked me out to hang out. Which i assumed was a date, so once we hung out i escalated into kiss, makeout, etc.
Was I already being friendzoned in the beginning? And better yet after sex, am i already on the friendzone?


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[/quote]You started feeling insecure and wanted to pull away from her so she couldn't pull away from you. I'm in agreement with R.C in this being self-induced and you continue to keep doing this to yourself.

You need to understand that you are a rebound. Rebounds can turn into more but there isn't much room for error. You have to be something to look forward to and not be a cause of stress. Keep it simple...make an invite, hang out and have fun, repeat. Let her be ready to start letting you in deeper instead of you turning into a heavy situation.[/quote]

I agree. It was definitely a rebound and I was blind to see that during the process. And I agree about being a source of stress and not something to look forward to. This being said, and after that final chat, is this still fixable? Do you guys usually turn this around fine?


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I agree. I did not know what the rule of thumb is for when to contact after sex.
There is no rule of thumb. Aside from this: If you don't make a big deal out of it, neither will she.
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Like you guys mentioned, I did become insecure about the performance, since that next morning, she became very irritable and wanted to take me home fast. And then she immediately posted a meme on facebook mocking what its like to 'ease back into dating.'
It was an animation of a man tripping over and falling while at jumping rope.
I was pretty hurt by that. Not sure if she wanted me to see that and why.
I know you were hurt, and that's where things started going downhill. Look, sex is important, and you don't want to be starting it off on a bad note. But sometimes it happens. However, the way you handle it is even more important.
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Do you guys usually turn this around fine?
Best way to turn it around is to not create a scenario where something is to be turned around. Prevention is the best cure.

That said, these things can't be reversed OP. Firstly because this is not an accident, it's a condition. You're not entirely grounded on an emotional level, which is why this happened to begin with.
The "relationship" started having "drama" and you're what? one month in? Glass can't be unbroken.

What you should do however, both now and in the future, is exert some self control and take things as they should be. Light and fun. Don't bring pressure into her life, bring good vibes. Go out, have some drinks, have sex. But do it with a positive and relaxing outlook.
Also for future reference, avoid initiating these kind of talks. Jack already explained why, but to emphasize, pulling away because you think she might try to push you away is the equivalent of killing yourself because you think somebody else might be trying to kill you.
Not the smartest move.

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I agree. I did not know what the rule of thumb is for when to contact after sex.
There is no rule of thumb. Aside from this: If you don't make a big deal out of it, neither will she.
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Like you guys mentioned, I did become insecure about the performance, since that next morning, she became very irritable and wanted to take me home fast. And then she immediately posted a meme on facebook mocking what its like to 'ease back into dating.'
It was an animation of a man tripping over and falling while at jumping rope.
I was pretty hurt by that. Not sure if she wanted me to see that and why.
I know you were hurt, and that's where things started going downhill. Look, sex is important, and you don't want to be starting it off on a bad note. But sometimes it happens. However, the way you handle it is even more important.
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Do you guys usually turn this around fine?
Best way to turn it around is to not create a scenario where something is to be turned around. Prevention is the best cure.

That said, these things can't be reversed OP. Firstly because this is not an accident, it's a condition. You're not entirely grounded on an emotional level, which is why this happened to begin with.
The "relationship" started having "drama" and you're what? one month in? Glass can't be unbroken.

What you should do however, both now and in the future, is exert some self control and take things as they should be. Light and fun. Don't bring pressure into her life, bring good vibes. Go out, have some drinks, have sex. But do it with a positive and relaxing outlook.
Also for future reference, avoid initiating these kind of talks. Jack already explained why, but to emphasize, pulling away because you think she might try to push you away is the equivalent of killing yourself because you think somebody else might be trying to kill you.
Not the smartest move.
Thank you for the honest feedback, these all help a lot and I am taking notes.
Just curious:
1. What was that meme for?
2. What do you guys mean about the pulling back part? Still grasping that one


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1. What was that meme for?
2. What do you guys mean about the pulling back part? Still grasping that one
1. I don't know. And neither do you. But you assumed the worst. That's how insecurities work. She very well could've been self deprecating.
You'll go mad if you start analyzing ever action a woman makes or doesn't make. And you'll do yourself wrong every single time if you act on what you think she meant by it.
2. Like I said before. Don't text for the simple sake of texting. Don't do it because you want attention or to gauge how warm she's being towards you. Don't do it because you're bored.
It's a simple matter of quality over quantity.
You like the woman, I get it. But your approach towards dating should be the same as playing the lottery, in a sense. Everybody wants to win, but losing shouldn't really affect you. Know that if it doesn't work out, it'll be alright. Your life and happiness shouldn't depend on it.

In other words OP, don't get too invested, too soon. Take it easy, it's supposed to be an enjoyable process.

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After the first time you banged you should have ignored her for a couple of days, then randomly hit her up saying you were busy, lets go out for drinks at whenever and where ever, then repeat what you did the first time.
Yeah.. no.

OP, Jack's right. Especially about the part of being something to look forward to, and not another cause of stress. Keep it simple and light. Stop making imaginary problems real.
Location: Romania. You don't understand how it works in the western 1st world. Your advice is poor.
OP if you want a girl to go mad for you, ignore her after the first lay. Or just be very vague in responses. She will be more attracted because every beta before you would be blowing up her phone declaring their love after the first lay, whereas you being aloof shows you can handle sex with a pretty woman.
It's probably over now but i'd ignore her for a week, do a needy cleanse, and try and post some pics of you with other girls on your social media.


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Location: Romania. You don't understand how it works in the western 1st world. Your advice is poor.
You don't understand how it works in general if you believe "culture" has anything to do with it. Unless you live in the middle east, that's a non argument.
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OP if you want a girl to go mad for you, ignore her after the first lay. Or just be very vague in responses. She will be more attracted because every beta before you would be blowing up her phone declaring their love after the first lay, whereas you being aloof shows you can handle sex with a pretty woman.
It's probably over now but i'd ignore her for a week, do a needy cleanse, and try and post some pics of you with other girls on your social media.
Why do people so often fail to recognize anything other than black or white? As if not ignoring her implies blowing up her phone.
Games invite games. Start playing them and I guarantee she'll do the same. You'll be back here in 2 months time asking for advice on "how to figure this girl out".

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