Isn't that contradictory though? You say you never pay for drinks on the first date in this thread, but in another thread you say that you do. I get why you say it's organic, because it's not rocking the boat. Why make her pay when it may fuck up a sure thing? It's operating out of fear.

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Your last few posts are operating out of fear...to the point you made the weird suggestion to discuss the bill prior to the date.

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Elaborate. If she's going to be paying anyway, how is it fearful to tell a girl that you're splitting the bill prior to the date? If she doesn't like it, she will reject the guy making the offer to split it up front. Knowing that, there is no fear of rejection if you put it out there up front.

You are offering to split the bill with women that don't show you enough enthusiasm. There's nothing to lose when you are telling a girl that doesn't show you enough interest to pay her half.

Even when you talk about my "weird suggestion", my original line of thinking has always been...if you invite a girl out on a first date, pay for the activity you cheap bastard. The point behind my statement is if what you want is her to pay, be a man and be up front about it. If she likes you and she values you, she'll agree. If she doesn't like you, she won't. If your goal is to get her to like you, the value that you built on the date will disappear the moment you hint at her paying. You may not care, but why put yourself in that position if you want her to pay?

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Yeah Arch, what you're saying is, if the date is going well you pay, if not, then split. I wish you'd stop trying to make your actions deeper than they are. If it really was about equality, or finding that hot, whether a chick is enthusiastic or not would not change your choice on whether to pay.

Sure, if the date isnt going well, might as well go out saving some money. But I have no idea why you'd advise the OP to do what you do when its not going well as the default. Thats like me saying pull your dick out on first dates, when I only pull my dick out when the girl is not feeling me already and there is nothing to lose.

Nature fallacy - just because something occurs naturally doesn't make it good, nor does something being inorganic bad.

Arch you give advice that seems to be based more on not sounding like pickup than being based in tangible reality. Now I have paid for dates before, when I know she makes less like if I'm with a college student or something. I've gone to bars and said I would buy the first round, and sometimes the girls offer the second or just pay their own way the rest of the night. But I go in with a plan because that's how you avoid dumb shit.

Yeah it's fluid in the sense that some girls just will not pay, but I'd rather end the night early then than drop $80. But don't tell people not to plan anything or practice anything so as to be "organic." It isn't superior it's just asinine and a blatant attempt to appear cooler than pickup, especially since I maintain you being a massive fraud.

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I've posted the results of my game on here. It works.

The last couple posts don't offer anything specific, just vague, rambling platitudes.

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You're taking things personally because this is a worthless statement. The point about what you are saying is that 1) even if you have results, it is not what you do, 2) if the results of your game works then the advice that you give doesn't affect the outcome.

You try to get out of explaining what you mean by taking snippets of what people say without addressing the whole thing and through insults. Your proof of game isn't strong because your proof has always been limited to one girl and even that one is suspect. Why not just stick to the subject at hand and give detail on what you do? If it's really what you do and it works, you'd be able to break down why you NEVER pay for drinks on the first date (which you've proven is not really the case). Quit acting like a dick and resorting to false statements. There is nothing vague about you contradicting yourself. There's nothing vague about DJ_Z saying that he has paid in some occasions and not others. There's nothing vague about me saying I always pay when I invite a girl out on a first date. If anyone lacks specificity it is you because you have conditions that you won't specify in the post.

In all honesty, it sounds cool as fuck to hear someone say that they never pay for the girls drinks on the first date. This is why guys fall for shit like this...because it sounds cool and that's what they want to be. The problem is it doesn't fall into reality. You were just selling the OP on snake oil pushing your "NEVER" statement because that statement is more about boosting your ego than it is about helping the OP. He was ready to try out what you said even though he didn't realize you weren't being honest about your claim. That's the fucked up thing about the forum, not limited to you, because too many guys are on here making false claims that are going to lead other guys down a bad path because they are giving advice that not even they would follow.

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It's so frustrating to me when this guy says he posted the results of his game.
If getting ONE WOMAN were game, then 90% of the population would consists of players.

Winning the lottery does not mean you know how to make money. And you can post pictures of all your borrowed $100 bills all day long, because it doesn't prove shit.

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Im 100% with this. Its just simple Etiquette.

However, for first dates, I almost never invite them somewhere that involves the spending of any money. One of my requirements is for a girl to be able to just chill with me, walking around the city drinking a tea coffee, doing nothing. If i can't have a good time with you doing nothing; I have no interest doing anything thats something with you.

But yes, if you make the invite YOU PAY. Also just make sure that when you invite a girl on the first date that you're only doing things that you would do for yourself. For example: If you wouldn't take yourself to a fancy dinner on the regular and spend 200 bucks, do not take a girl on a first date to this. She has to earn that level of effort. Take her somewhere that YOU enjoy, take her to see the movie that YOU like. Its not about her yet. The first date is all about seeing if this woman fits YOUR lifestyle. If you LOVE Chinese food, take her out to the Chinese place that YOU love. See if she fits YOU. Make the first date about YOU. And yes YOU PAY. Just as you would normally PAY to do the things YOU like to do.

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It's the same thing Arch. That's not proof. PUA videos on yt are not proof. Pics are not proof. Not when a big chunk of what you say is in contradiction with is known to work. Hell, more often than not you seem to be in contradiction with your own self.

That's the problem. You're not congruent, your dogma is "say hi and then text her to come over, because fitness". That's like me saying get in the car and hit the gas. Congrats, you're a pro racer. Oh, it didn't work? Well that's just because your not fit enough. Try the exact same thing in 2 months.

I'm sorry, but no. You lack essence, and that's obvious to most of us.

A good poker player is not one that wins every hand. And any to claim they do are full of shit. A good player is one that wins exponentially more than he loses. And ever so often, he does lose. That's just real.

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You have to get out of this "proven myself" mentality. The problem is not if you can or can't get women. The problem is the advice that you give about how you go about doing it. Numerous times on the forum, including this post, you say that you operate in a specific manner which is at odds to the advice that you give. If you're honest about getting women, you should be more honest about your approach. You admittedly claimed that you made a lot of mistakes getting your current "10 girlfriend" that you would crucify others for making because 9's and 10's don't tolerate it. If your game works, teach your game and not this unrealistically cool, dominant male thing that you try to portray. It's silly and unnecessary and even worse, fear based.

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And if you read one of my more recent posts, you'd see I fucked up on one of my most recent pick-up attempts (Dr. Dork thread). So yeah, it's not all bluster and confidence, but my game does work most of the time.

Anyone who says their game is 100% fool proof, and that they get every woman they want is a liar.

That said, why my advice works better than most is because it's peppered with personal anecdotes. I'm not tossing down vague generalities and platitudes from a Lazy Boy chair down upon the internet. This does make me more human...and at times more vulnerable.

A lot of the advice here is shockingly thin on personal anecdotes and specificity, which is a big red flag as to how much experience the advice givers are really enjoying/partaking in.

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This is just how it works, It's also why Jack eats at Denny's a lot lol. And it's also how to end up with a grand slam breakfast.

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You wouldn't believe how true this statement is.

My first dates, I usually make the invite to my place. If a woman resists that idea, I'll get her to meet me at my house so we can "leave from here" but I'll invite them in for a few minutes and hopefully get her to agree to some drinks and a conversation before we leave. If she's not down for staying at my house for too long, we'll leave for a bar down the street that has a pool table and good music and is conveniently across the street from Denny's.

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