Haha, yea i'm not going to disagree with you. Like I said, Usually will piss off pretty quick if I get negative vibes from a woman but I just wanted to try something different and stick her negative vibes up my ass this time. Obviously it didn't work out too well.

I told her, "oh ok, I saw you doing the seated squats earlier so I figured you must do crossfit."

Well Today I was about to join the gym until the staff told me that I need to be aware before joining that I am making some of the members uncomfortable. (Gee, I wonder who could have reported me).

LOL, man I hate this kind of bullshit chit chat. She knows you could give two flying fucks about her doing crossfit, so why even bring it up? Just makes me laugh.


Yeah that's definitely a creeped-out response.

your game sucks, bro.

Girl gives you IOI, you walk over:

You: Hi, what's your name? I'm new to the gym.
Her: Amy.
You: Cool, I'm Bob. If you're down, I'd like to take you out later.
Her: No thanks.
You: Cool, have a good one.

Then you walk the fuck away. It's the lingering, hiding-your-intentions behavior that makes women report you at gyms (or anywhere else). Women will respect directness and strength. run-arounds and lingering will make them run for the hills.

While I agree somewhat that lingering is bad, I don't realistically see a woman agreeing to go out with me simply after I just tell her my name. Don't women want to get to know the guy a little more before going out with him outside of their initial meeting zone? What about building attraction?

So I was on a one week trial membership at my local gym. I try to talk to attractive women there if I can because I would like to meet someone that is into fitness like me. Well, yesterday a woman who was very good looking caught my eye, I wasn't going to talk to her but finally after mustering up the courage I decided to give it a shoot. So I got on one of those bikes near where she was doing hand stands and then worked my way over near her and asked a very indirect question, "hey is that a crossfit workout?". She said, "no I just mess around and do handstands after my workouts." I told her, "oh ok, I saw you doing the seated squats earlier so I figured you must do crossfit." I told her I was new to the gym and we talked about excercises and just super platonic and harmless topics. Well I start doing bicycle crunches and those hanging leg lifts and leave her alone for a few minutes. I remember todd valentine said something about hot women having instant knee jerk rejection reflexes and that sometimes you need to stick it out so I reengaged her again and asked if she usually works out in the afternoon. She said no she usually works out very early like 5 am and she is a student blah blah blah. Well, I go back to my crunches and before I leave I say bye and it was nice to meet her. Well Today I was about to join the gym until the staff told me that I need to be aware before joining that I am making some of the members uncomfortable. (Gee, I wonder who could have reported me). The staff member said that when people come to workout they generally just want to get their exercise in and don't want to socialize blah blah blah. So I decided not to join this gym. What are your thoughts on this whole thing? Where do you think I went wrong? You think that I should have just made the interaction short and sweet and not reengage a second time? This is why I and many other men have approach anxiety, it's because of shit just like this! Being single really sux cock.

TLDR;
I see a very attractive woman at my gym

I introduce myself and have a friendly and harmless conversation

I reengage her a second time because todd valentine said that sometimes ignoring a woman's negative/neautral reactions to you can seem like a high value trait.

Before I leave I say bye and that it was nice to meet her.

Today I am now having a conversation with the gym staff that i'm making a member feel uncomfortable.

I decide not to join the gym

I see a very attractive woman at my gym

after mustering up the courage I decided to give it a shot

I reengage her a second time because

Lingering is weak game.

The reason I linger slightly is because I want to make sure she is not working out with her boyfriend or something. I would be super embarrassed if I immediately approached a woman I knew nothing about and then her boyfriend came up.

While I agree somewhat that lingering is bad, I don't realistically see a woman agreeing to go out with me simply after I just tell her my name. Don't women want to get to know the guy a little more before going out with him?

While there are zero hard rules in this game and there are always exceptions/various situations that are not the norm (you're pre-selected in a very high end club; you're in a huge rush and don't have time for chit chat but still the girl meets up with you later etc etc etc etc etc), the answer to your question is generally yes.

Simply put, the girl has to have something to bite her teeth into about you to tell her girlfriends and herself about later. Just being the "hot stud" is usually not enough. You have to have a tight rap. Just presenting yourself as a hot piece of ass for her is not enough in nearly every situation.

OP: When you are outside walking around, you see women. A lot of these women lead very boring and mundane lives. Speak to some of them. Make their day.

Yea, I've tried the short number closes in the past and usually it gets me either a fake number, a girl who is flaky, or something of the like. My theory for this misfortune is just as you mentioned above, because most these women are in high demand so another good looking guy that wants to go out with them is not reason enough for them to take time out of their day to go out with him. She has to think that he is in high demand himself. Which is usually where I get stuck because things i've mentioned to these women about how I am well traveled, am an entrepeneur, work out, etc.. they really could give two shits about it seems. so yea... lately i've worried less about the demonstration of higher value because it seems pretty pointless anyways.

SHort number closes suck. But you still don't linger like a damn stalker, let alone tell her you were watching her.

Yea I know lingering is bad, like I said before though. That's just a byproduct of my anxiety and just wanting to somewhat understand the situation before I approach. Like if she's married, has a boyfriend with her, things of that nature. It's not meant to be a way for me to study how I can kill her her and rape her dead corpse. Eventhough that's how it comes off as. I remember in the game, they had a 5 second rule or something. Do you guys use that?

In my opinion it's most important to form a very warm bond with her in the virtual pod that the two of you are in when you first meet her. When you do that, you can have an entire interaction be just a few very short minutes and she's looking forward to hearing from you again. Rather than the guy who lingers upon the initial meeting.

Yea, I've tried the short number closes in the past and usually it gets me either a fake number, a girl who is flaky, or something of the like.