You didn't answer the question.

All I saw was you taking her word into account, and ignoring her actions.

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More than fair.

Recently she obv hasn't proven what her words actually told me.

But the times we went out as a group she was all over me on the dance floor...without me doing anything. It was truly all coming from her. But that was last year. It's all words the last few weeks.

Seems to me we get along great and she wouldn't mind going out. But if it doesn't happen she is just fine.

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This is so true. And a very attractive behavior that IMHO signifies higher self-awareness.

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hahah. I love women. They make me laugh.

You are at her heels like a puppy dog. You are the queen's little peasant right now. No doubt hiding your true intentions in a nice guy facade that she enjoys hammering the hell out of.

Time to shed the puppy and become the pit bull.

Your response: "The only shade here is the tree in the yard. But I do want to get naked, soon."


She's being a brat, stringing you along.

Take her out of the mundane and use shocking honesty.

If she doesn't text you back, who cares? At the very least, you'll act like a dominant male, and not a bitch. And you can move on to future girls with this growth.

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Thank you so far.

I definitely wont go with the weak thing and explain or apologize. I DO want to double down.

But I'm not too sure about the "get naked part" and if I can use that with her.

Other ideas that arent that extreme but still direct and show what is going on?

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When a girl really wants you, she won't care if you're direct or say "let's get naked".

A couple weeks back I had a filthy, ridiculous threesome. My gf and her friend were at my place, and I took a few photos and asked them to kiss, and that "my gf needs to fuck a girl." I used those exact words.

They denied me.

However, I didn't react.

My gf told her friend, "lol, he can be obnoxious sometimes." I then heard my gf's friend tell her "yeah, but I find it adorable."

An hour later they're in my bed pulling each other's hair.

Do not be afraid to be honest with women. It actually turns them on because you;re leading, and not hiding your desires behind nice guy bullshit.

The truth is, from what you've told me, is that you're going nowhere fast with this girl. You're being a pussy, to put it bluntly. And she's playing you because you're being so nice. many 9's and 10's will play with men like cats to chipmunks if they sense weakness.

direct, charming and shocking honesty is how you completely disarm that.

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OK, texted the following without any smileys or anything:

Nah I'm just honest...u know like this: since the last few times havent worked out we will have to go stright to making out next time, just so u know...


Her answer:

" ....those smileys mean: suuuuure!"

That's not great right?

At this point I don't plan on replying at all. Not sure if there is anything to do you guys. Have the feeling she doesnt respect me enough.

Might see her 2 weeks from now, but until then she can go fuck herself.

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How is that bad? She seemed excited.

Control your emotions!

You're acting way too emotional.she's not the enemy, or someone you're at war with. She's just a hot girl. Enjoy being alive, enjoy this moment.

Set up a meet, and pay attention to the economy if your words. Your last response should've been one sentence, not a paragraph.

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This is a good moment to go into word economy. And this is why I advocate turning away from TV and video games, and engaging with novels, non-fiction, and music (no, college reading does not count, those are failed writers, lol).

The op was looking to "double down" with something risky. I advised him to text this, after the girl texted "throwing shade my way?":


"The only shade here is the tree in the yard. But I do want to get naked, soon."


He took that, and created a rambling, watered down version, and texted it:

"Nah I'm just honest...u know like this: since the last few times havent worked out we will have to go stright to making out next time, just so u know..."


Let's look at redundancy.

There's no reason to preface your texts. For example, "Nah, I'm just honest, u know, like this:" is a completely unnecessary bit of words.

Next, the OP goes into meta-talk, which is always a negative emotion or a Debbie Downer vibe in "since the last few times haven;t worked out".

There is NO REASON to ever go into meta with a new girl, EVER. It's an attraction killer and shows over-investment. In fact, avoid it even in your relationships if you can. This is about fun.

Also, refrain from using abbreviations like "U". Type out the entire word. Do you think Jason Statham uses "U" instead of "you"? Or Clint Eastwood?

Word diarrhea will often come across as nervousness to a woman, or lack of confidence .Spell out the full words, spell properly, and keep your texts concise and to the point.

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thank you for all the good points. 100% correct with the word economy. That's always a problem for me since I'm a big talker and actually dont like this short stuff. Always good learning new stuff.

About her answer: just sounded to me like she wasn't taking it serious but w/e.

Since I already told her I don't wanna go out till our group actitivty 2 weeks from now and I looked like I was after her...I've decided not to text anything back and just see how it goes then. It would only be about next weekend anyway...

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Ok, I saw her on Friday. Went pretty well.
Didn't make out and I got too drunk, but lot's of kino and she basically said she was interested.

I really recognized the importance of isolating the girl. Didn't do a good job with that, so kissing her was almost impossible.
When we went to another bar, we sat right in front of the bar and 2 feet apart. Sitting down where you are closer to another and more isolated and it quickly changes everything.

We are going to the movies tonight...If we are there a little earlier I might try to kiss her before the movie, during isn't really something I think she would want.

Just seeing how it goes I guess...

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See, I'm getting triggered now and I was like fine until I read that last post.

Dammit dude, you don't need to isolate to kiss a girl. I've kissed girls at the table while her friend sat there and watched. Tyler Durden grabs girls as his OPENER and kisses them. And you're sitting here talking about how it's IMPOSSIBLE to kiss a girl that actually LIKES you!

And I can already tell your movie game is jacked up too. Kissing BEFORE the movie? I mean you have studied pickup and dated women before, right? How about this, instead of ANY kissing at the movie, you sit next to her and touch arms, then caress her arm and stare into her eyes when she looks over at you. Run your finger up and down her forearm, then maybe gently caress her thigh. Not sure why you are obsessed with the kissing thing when that will just naturally come from proper kino escalation.

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I agree with most of what you said, but not this.

Going for the kiss is the dominant frame. KINO is what women do to masculine men.

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But at the beginning of a frickin' movie?!? Like you sit down, there is no mood or ambiance, you got stupid ass movie trivia on the screen going. She is not warmed up to you at all, the lights are on, people are watching....and you think THAT is the ideal time to go for the kiss?

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No I don't. I'd never go on a movie date with a girl if I hadn't fucked her.

I know the PUA community loves to push KINO, but IMHO it's feminine, patty-cake, and hesitant seduction. If a girl is into you, just go for the kiss passionately.

Obviously KINO is important later on for affection purposes, but IMHO it's weak game for first time seduction.

If you're attracted to the girl on the first date, always escalate and go for the kiss that date.

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