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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:55 am 
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Right, but then you're not really *close friends* anymore, are you?
true, but maybe because I did not want to be friend anymore.
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How is insulting them the same as trying to be their platonic friend and then trying to fuck them?
Just an example of the fact that the first impression does not produce the final result.

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Just an example of the fact that the first impression does not produce the final result.
It's an example of not trying to sneak your way into her pants. Which is what I said.

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Right, but then you're not really *close friends* anymore, are you?
true, but maybe because I did not want to be friend anymore.
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How is insulting them the same as trying to be their platonic friend and then trying to fuck them?
Just an example of the fact that the first impression does not produce the final result.
It's things like this that are starting to bug me about the forum. Maybe it's a language barrier, but it seems like you're trying to find a good answer. It just reads like you're making things up as you go.

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Though I appreciate all advice given I'm genuinely more confused now than when I first posted.

Some say to flirt with her sexually, but as R.C. stated she has made it clear she doesn't see me that way. Honestly I think she'd just get freaked out and shut down even more

Other's say to flip the tables and do what she did and tease her sexually. She only did that once and she was drunk and horny and I just happened to be there. Every other time she was just trying to mend bridges as a friend

Like I said all advice is appreciated but I'm unsure what my next course of action is now. I think the problem is she just doesn't see me as a sexual person and that's an issue w/ a lot of people even my male friends. Numerous times I've had them assuming I'm a virgin. While yeah I haven't had many it's simply a case of I don't brag

So at this stage the only thing I can think of doing is what was in the back of my mind when I first posted. Back away. Stop being at her beck and call all the time like some fucking valet. Unless she's at deaths door sort out your own problems. In the meantime when the topic of sex comes up w/ the class I'll simply contribute. Try and change her perception of me. All the while reminding her I'm still interested with subtle flirting. A compliment here a touch there

Hopefully by the time that final party in 2 weeks occurs, when she gets drunk and horny again - which she will - I'll stand some chance

Or I'm buying into this Hollywood fantasy that R.C. mentioned again and I'll crash and burn


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Some say to flirt with her sexually, but as R.C. stated she has made it clear she doesn't see me that way. Honestly I think she'd just get freaked out and shut down even more
Look, sexual and playful flirting with women should be your default state. If you'd have done so even with her, from the beginning, you could still have been friends but it would not have been platonic. She would've expected something to happen, at some point, and would've perceived you in a sexual light.

After "spilling your guts" and not making a move when the opportunity presented itself, that option is no longer available. Kicking a dead worse won't bring it back to life, but it will cost your mental sanity. And dignity.

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Like I said all advice is appreciated but I'm unsure what my next course of action is now. I think the problem is she just doesn't see me as a sexual person and that's an issue w/ a lot of people even my male friends. Numerous times I've had them assuming I'm a virgin. While yeah I haven't had many it's simply a case of I don't brag
You don't have to brag for people to know you're the type of guy that does well or not with women. And bragging doesn't imply people will believe you do in fact do well with women. Most times it's quite the opposite.
It's more to do with the way you express yourself and behave in the presence of girls.
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So at this stage the only thing I can think of doing is what was in the back of my mind when I first posted. Back away. Stop being at her beck and call all the time like some fucking valet. Unless she's at deaths door sort out your own problems. In the meantime when the topic of sex comes up w/ the class I'll simply contribute.
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Try and change her perception of me. All the while reminding her I'm still interested with subtle flirting. A compliment here a touch there
Instead of trying to change her perception of you, why don't you work on improving your ability to self express? That is, after all, what causes how people perceive you.

And compliments are not something you should be slinging around. If I truly compliment a woman, in most cases she's already my girlfriend. The other rare occurrences are where I'm genuinely impressed by something they've done/said, so it's not even looks related, and doesn't happen often.
Either way if your compliment is a tool for trying to get her to like you, or has any sort of hidden agenda attached, don't do it. It will have the opposite effect.

Infact, if I walk up to a coworker and tell her she's looking beautiful today, 9/10 times they'll roll their eyes thinking I'm being sarcastic and playfully insulting them.
That's teasing.
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Hopefully by the time that final party in 2 weeks occurs, when she gets drunk and horny again - which she will - I'll stand some chance

Or I'm buying into this Hollywood fantasy that R.C. mentioned again and I'll crash and burn
The fundamental issue here is that you don't have other options. If you did, then whatever. But you don't, so this isn't just a "whatever happens happens" scenario. You're investing in this. And you'll be affected if nothing comes of it just like you were when you went to her place and hoped she'll invite you in bed.

Expand your horizons and talk to more women.

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Instead of trying to change her perception of you, why don't you work on improving your ability to self express? That is, after all, what causes how people perceive you.
Self-express? I don't understand


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If people don't perceive you as who you know you are, then you're not expressing yourself properly in their presence for whatever reason.

For example most guys fear rejection, so instead of flirting and being sexual with women, they try to be friendly and cautious. They care too much what other people will say and/or think of them, so they hold back on who they are.

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I'll take any help I can get but before you respond know that:
-Though I care about this girl I DO NOT love her. I simply want what she keeps teasing me with
-I know I should just drop her and leave but I can't so don't even suggest it. Yes I'm obsessing over her but she's stuck in my head and I need to fuck her
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Go for it, I'm sure you will succeed. I am NOT being ironic here, I really mean it. :wink:
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When meeting a woman, the first few interactions with her will determine how she sees you. Either as a possible lover, or a possible friend. That's entirely up to you, based on how you present yourself and act towards her, but once you're presented yourself as a friend, you're a friend. She does not and will not see you as a sexual option from that point onward.


disagree, the woman can see you as a lover if you were previously friends, It's about how you start to behave in the presence of her ...
I did it once (I was 21), with a "femme fatale", a 10/10 (the best girl I've ever seen, taken in account many other things besides her perfect looks) who everyone fantasized about and made up stories of being with her, old and young...
She was a good friend of mine for many years back then (and I also fantasized about her :D , but without making up stories. She was my biggest dream, and thus mission impossible). We were such friends that I may think she sometimes felt sorry for me (not sure if explain it precisely but when a girl feels sorry for you, it's a terrible thing). I wasn't a poor guy without girls (sometimes even that), but I just couldn't have her (she was out of my league).
Then I changed everything, my complete life (I'm not sure now, but possibly only because of her), and INSTANTLY she changed the way she sees me. So here I want to say, SHE WILL SEE YOU THE WAY YOU PRESENT YOURSELF, NO METTER WHAT WAS BEFORE. I've seen it.
But what to do? It requires a big change, and I'm not good at giving advice, but I can say it all can be put in "you don't give a shit" that's been said a million times now. You can act weird, tease her, tell bad things, go away... forget her... then come back, be normal... make her wonder... then again be bad... I think you get it.

Personally I liked the Black Phantom's long post and all Sonny Lofthus'. :wink:

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I really shouldn't ask, because all R.C.'s advice is pretty solid and has given me enough clarity to realise I blew it this time around, but...

How should I start to behave Sonny Lofthus? Or do you agree that the ship has sailed?
Flirt with her on a sexual level.
which is all similar...

BUT if you can't do this, then there's no other help...

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I'm with Heywood and Black Phantom here. Women are creatures of the moment. The friendzone is not a permanent state. As long as you can escalate and isolate the girl, you're good. I can't remember the exact number of times when girls who cried on my shoulder ended up having sex with me.

Heywood's formula is to be playful and fun and making the girl tipsy with some alcohol. Black Phantom's formula as he detailed on this thread appears to be workable. Try both a certain number of repetitions and see where it goes.

What I do is very basic. When a girl cries on my shoulder, I rub her back, then her sides. I then whisper soothing words in her ear and after awhile lick her earlobe and so on until we end up fucking.

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I'm with Heywood and Black Phantom here. Women are creatures of the moment. The friendzone is not a permanent state. As long as you can escalate and isolate the girl, you're good. I can't remember the exact number of times when girls who cried on my shoulder ended up having sex with me.

Heywood's formula is to be playful and fun and making the girl tipsy with some alcohol. Black Phantom's formula as he detailed on this thread appears to be workable. Try both a certain number of repetitions and see where it goes.

What I do is very basic. When a girl cries on my shoulder, I rub her back, then her sides. I then whisper soothing words in her ear and after awhile lick her earlobe and so on until we end up fucking.
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Right, but then you're not really *close friends* anymore, are you?
true, but maybe because I did not want to be friend anymore.
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How is insulting them the same as trying to be their platonic friend and then trying to fuck them?
Just an example of the fact that the first impression does not produce the final result.
It's things like this that are starting to bug me about the forum. Maybe it's a language barrier, but it seems like you're trying to find a good answer. It just reads like you're making things up as you go.
you didnt understand me, but ist ok, its only language barrier like you said ...i know what you mean, but its not like that, I'm trying to explain something. i cannot explain, i study modern neuro science...I do not want to offend anyone, just trying to push my mind..

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Sorry, Op, as rc said you sound pathetic. If guys are thinking you're a virgin...damn. Sorry, you're not going to somehow change in a couple weeks and jedi this chick into seeing you as a guy to fuck when the rest of the world isnt doing the same. It may be possible, but a huge change in your life and dating needs to happen first. If a chick doesnt think you're getting laid, she's prob not going to be the charity to help you. If she sees a change in how you carry yourself, how girls look at you, how guys treat you...maybe there's a chance. If you're going to be the same old guy yet ignore her, dont expect that to work. You need to fix your shit completely which takes time and effort. If you want to fuck her, go fuck 5 other chicks who look as good or better than her. If you cant do that, nothing else matters. You probably dont know how to flirt, escalate or fuck a chick properly. And sorry, thats not a quick fix.


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