Yup.

And if you see "makeup, have their hair done, and wear clothing and waist trainers" at the grocery store I suggest you run.

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Well yeah. Bad lighting makes even the most attractive people look bad. Lens distortion can also make people look about ten pounds heavier than in person.

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I'd run from any woman wearing a waist-trainer.

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That's beyond ridiculous.

Everyone is attracted to different types of women. You can take two women that have similar features, fit and firm bodies, but a different sense of fashion and that alone can decide whether I perceive one as a "10" and the other as an "8".
One can be blonde and the other brunette. If I have a massive thing for brunettes the blonde will score lower. And if my friend loves blondes, guess what, she'll score higher for him.

We're talking about something subjective in nature. Yes, we can all agree that a *objectively* hot woman with a slim waist and no extra pounds will attract more guys than an *objectively* not so hot obese woman. Obviously.
But when you're talking about *9's and 10's* you're talking subjectivism entirely. For example I don't like Scarlet Johansson. Most people will say she's a 10, and while she's objectively hot, I don't like that particular type of woman.

And I doubt he said hot girls have nothing to offer exclusively. But between a hot ex stripper and a hot financial analyst I'm exponentially more likely to go for the second.

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It sounds like Arch thinks a hot woman can't be something other than a stripper or bartender if its only 7's or obese women who have careers. You automatically grouped the career women as 7's or obese. More than one time. Another side of scarcity. Why didnt you assume a hot chick could have more going for her? Why not just say "hey I love strippers, I know many who have more going for them than their looks." None of that. Just "if you want a chick with other things she's gonna be obese or a 7."

Sorry thats not abundance when you say to expect more means you have to go down in beauty. Same way if I said if you expect a house to have a nice interior, you have to get one with a bad exterior...that would sound like I'm not able to afford houses with both. Career doesnt mean she's a 7 or obese. Expect more.

Maybe you're genuine "9/10" is a hot bartender who has nothing else to offer. And thats fine. But again that's subjective and YOUR preference.

Stop all of this mental masturbation already. If your dick gets hard for a chick, approach, open, instadate and get to know her better. If you like what she has to offer for the long term and she likes what you have to offer for the long term, get married. Otherwise, have fun and enjoy the moment. (It doesn't really matter whether she's a stripper, a lawyer, or both. I have met a lawyer who was an ex-stripper. Come on guys. A stripper or bartender today might be a lawyer tomorrow. Don't take a girl's job against her.)

Everything else is gravy.

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A relationship is a two-way street. If a guy wants a long term relationship with a woman but the woman only wants a short term relationship with him, he has to next her and find the next woman. A woman who is an ideal candidate for a long term relationship will, at some point in her life, want a short term relationship with another guy in addition to the guy she has a long term relationship with.

In the same light, some guys just want short term relationships but some of the women they get involved with want something long term.

Bottomline: People who have their shit together want both long term and short term relationships at some point in their lives. It isn't always one or the other. People sometimes want both.

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Agreed.

I find that men and women who approach a new person with these kinds of agendas are coming from a scarcity mentality. They want to lock someone up right away due to lack of options, and/or they are fearful of losing out on other options if they do lock up.

The strongest woman will come at a new guy with an open mind, and let everything unfold organically.

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I don't think anyone said that they held anything against strippers or bartenders. At most they've said that they would prefer the professional career vs. the sexualized job (although Arch keeps equating a woman with a career to a 7). The biggest point that we've made is that these girl's aren't special and no guy with any value to him needs to walk a tightrope because she's been hit on a lot more than other girls...so "stripper today bartender tomorrow" is a moot point for this discussion. But the thing is that people have a preference. Some guys don't want to date girls that all their buddies and countless others have seen naked. That's their choice and nothing is wrong with that, just as there is nothing wrong with going for the girl that leads with her sexuality.

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Yeah...but you also think because men don't see the girls that you deem the most attractive the way you do means that they aren't able to obtain 9's or 10's. You need to tighten up your logic before saying what you "find" as credible.

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Do you really want to get into credibility?

You don't land 9's and 10's.

So I wouldn't be giving advice on 9's and 10's.

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Please MC if you cant quote someone who has said that a chick's job is a bad thing, then dont make stuff up to defend. Again, if a chick has nothing else to offer dont prize her. I would never even tell someone to prize a chick for being a doctor or lawyer, so this career bashing you and arch keep defending isnt here.
I thought this was a simple point. Have no idea where men's abundance, or disliking a woman's profession came from.

It's not what was said but rather what was implied. An example is an excerpt from Neo's post.
A hot girl is a hot girl. Men's standards of beauty may differ from one another and yet there's a universal standard among majority of men on what type of girl is hot as to symmetry, waist to hip ratio, or the size of the eyes/pupils. A minority of men will find obese women beautiful but the majority will find such women disgusting.

As to the choice of career, some girls choose to work as strippers or bartenders rather than as checkout girls at grocery stores not because of validation but rather for financial reasons. Otherwise, the ex-stripper lawyer would have not been able to send herself to law school.

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The alpha females OP described:
So obviously when I say "these women, instead of calling them alpha females, call them extremely validation seeking women" its with reference to the strippers, bartenders etc who like when you treat them like crap and ignore them.

Even said this right before where you quoted me: So the entire lead doesnt even mention a profession, then I brought it back to the OP's situation where the stripper chases him for validation. Now, that point is clearly not to strippers; its to women, strippers, instagram models, lawyers, doctors who chase when you treat them like shit. So do I think women who chase when validation is taken away are validation seeking women? Yes. Thats not holding a girl's profession against her, its clearly referencing the ACTION of chasing when ignored and treated like shit. If OP had written about a lawyer who chases when treated like shit, I'd call her extremely validation seeking. Because her actions are to seek validation. If youre describing alpha female as the strippers who chase when ignored, just call them validation seeking women. Same if you were talking about the doctors who do.

I don't mind getting into credibility. Ask neo or n2 whose girl looked better in the pics. I know the answer already...but if you want to go there.

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You don't want to go there. You'll lose every time, and in a spectacular fashion.

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