You can't have true abundance mentality until you have abundance.

most men will never get it, they don't have the self-awareness, the fitness, or the emotional control. This is why I advocate replacing a couching/lounging lifestyle with fitness, reading, and art.

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Sure you can. All you have to do is believe that you are attractive enough to attract the women you like. You'll have true abundance mentality because it's just a belief. You just won't have true abundance.

If a guy went out for the very first time and thought he'll be able to get lots of women, he has abundance mentality. If he gets lots of women that very first night, his mentality won't change...he'll just continue to have that mentality.

We can go back and forth on this subject forever. My point is that the OP is talking about special types of women and how he should go about it. Too many guys try to advise bad thinking and say you have to treat certain types of women differently and all it does is clutter their thinking. Don't worry about how she looks if you want to talk to her...just approach confidently. Don't worry about her seeing out of a different lens...just talk to her. Worrying about that garbage doesn't do anything for you. If you're truly the prize and are good with women, you shouldn't care about a rating system and what she's seen or been through. You just approach women.

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Lol, you forget that in the typical dating dynamic is the male approaches or initiates. In the vast majority of initiations, the man expresses interest in someway first. Put a "7" and a "10" in a bar, "7" gets approached more. Why? Because while most guys may prefer the "10", very few have the confidence to even approach the hottest chick there. So if options for women, depend on men approaching them, asking them out, where is the "abundance" for 10s?
See, the reason I say there is a "type" of woman is because if a hot chick has this super abundance you speak of, its because she put herself out there for it. Thats why they're cheerleaders, bottle girls, strippers. They meet a large volume of men in attention grabbing positions. A hot chick could be a lawyer, get some glances on the street, couple dinner invites at work, couple approaches when she goes to the bar once in a while, and not have this "super abundance" of options. A hot chick could be a bartender, where she's meeting hundreds of guys every night and think thats its impressive that guys want to fuck her. Or an instagram model, where guys specifically add her for her pictures and will send a dtf message. Its not that she's so hot she has so many options, its because she strips, bar-tends and meets a large volume of men. Heck, there are tons of average chicks with instagram accounts having hundreds of thousands of followers...its not because they're just that hot.

Again, dont be impressed or intimiaded by how "in demand" a chick is. She shows her body for a living, its not some feat and if she has nothing to offer besides her looks, its mostly low level men. The guys who are hitting the "10" for sex are hitting up the "7" for sex as well (if she frequents the bar as much). Im never impressed with a girl when she says all these guys are chasing her..I'm like duh you go to the bar 4x a week, you GIVE your number out to almost every guy...thats not some sign that you're special.

And if we're talking about these chicks having "abundance", what does it say if treating them like crap, ignoring them gets them chasing?

See, we dont say a man has abundance if he chases the women who are ignoring him or treating him like shit. This is not abundance mentality. We'd say that man doesnt have abundance and he must not have any real options. So when you KNOW that these women need your validation so badly they'll chase for it, how confident are they? How many good options must they really have? Its not abundance if she can have any man she wants yet she chases those that she feels she cant. Thats just chicks who need validation.

Dont get me wrong, hot shot girls, bartenders all that are great for their attractiveness. But everything thats said about these women, instead of calling them 10s or alpha females, could just be replaced with "extremely validation seeking women." Thats all it is. Whether she's average or extremely beautiful. If the 10 you're messaging doesnt respond when you speak to her, but chases when you treat her like shit...its not because she's hot.

Like the girl in the OP's post...either she likes you or she's after your success. Youve fucked her friends, just party again and fuck her.Its no big deal and as with most chicks, if youve fucked their friends, and you're partying, its not a thing to pull off. "Alpha females" arent the only chicks fucking after a party with a guy they know. It doesnt require you to treat her differently as Jack said.

That's bullshit.

Unlike most men, she's had guys coming at her all her life, at a rate higher than the 7.

Just because so many guys suck at game, doesn't mean 10's don't get approached.

And I honestly think this theory is disproven on IG. The hottest girls have millions of followers and IM's from men who aren't afraid.

OMG, good looking women get jobs that require good looking women!


Yes she would. She'd have orbiters all up and down her contact list.

A busy career woman who's a 9/10 will still have a much higher abundance level than the average guy, which is the entire point.


Career does not matter. A hot woman will still have abundance, whereas most guys will not. An IG model will have thousands of options, while the hot career woman will have perhaps ten attractive guys she can dial up and bang if she so chooses. But it's still WAY more than the average loser who accepts friend-zone with the girl he's in love with, lol. And that's most guys.




You sound bitter, like you can't obtain a 9 or 10, and so you're denigrating women who show skin.

In my world, there's nothing wrong with beautiful women showing it off. Good for them.

She's getting those guys though if she wants.

If your standard guy went to a bar and did that, he'd be out of luck.

If they're hot, so what? Play the game and have fun.


It could also be because she's on the fence about you, and not acting like all her orbiters gets her hot.

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Not really. Most guys are afraid to approach hot girls. That's called Internet courage. It doesn't mean those millions of followers are going to approach her in the bar or on the street.Good looking women also get jobs that don't require them to be good looking.LMAO. Why would you compare the average guy's abundance level to a 9/10?You're still comparing hot girls to average guys and losers. You also missed Neo's point about the dynamic is men chase and not women. Hot women don't orbit.This is the straw man argument you tend to do as n2 pointed out. If someone doesn't agree with you then there is something wrong with them.Do you really go to bars, Arch? You talk like you have the same experiences as women. Are girls constantly hitting on you at clubs? One of my best friends is one of those guys girls go crazy over when he walks into a room and when he goes to a bar/club, he'll normally get hit on by one or two women on a good night. He won't talk to the hottest girl unless she comes up to him first or I start talking to the group. The hottest girls don't open guys, so they aren't getting the guys they want unless those guys open them first.You've obviously missed the point. No one says you can't play the game. The point is these girls aren't special.Women don't chase when they're on the fence.

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I do believe that disparaging women who are hot and show skin is a form of bitterness at being rejected by many 9's and 10's.

I see this a lot from guys who can't obtain 9's/10's:

"I want the complete package, so I got a career girl who's a six, she has her shit together, too."


We all know that's called "settling", lol and shows resignation within the context of being able to attract and keep 9's and 10's.

I do go to bars. I wouldn't say women go "crazy" over me, but I do get approached almost every day (some days by an obese 5, other days an 8, etc).

I also do have my pick of the hired guns at a place more often than not. I wouldn't say it's because I'm some model, but more how I carry myself.


Not true. Many do.
No, they don't. But keeping chill can bring them down to your side of the pasture.

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No one disparaged women who are hot. The point was what's so great about a hot girl that needs validation? If you want sex from a hot girl that's on Instagram, works in the bar, or a stripper...go for it. No one's judging that. If you want to settle down with her and make her your girlfriend...fine, that's your choice. The point is that those girls are not special.

The whole thing about not being able to attract and keep 9's and 10's is bullshit. There are too many actors, athletes, and musicians that fuck every hot girl that they can find and the settle down with a girl that isn't as hot as all of the other women you've seen them with.
So what you're saying is that the hottest women don't approach.You just said that 8's approach you. Now you're saying many 9's and 10's approach. If you're not experiencing it on a regular basis, how can you say it's true?Glad to see you're coming around on some things.

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So you're saying more guys are able to gather the courage to shoot out of their league than guys are able to gather the courage to shoot below or at their league?
Who ever made the point about the average man? You're making up arguments. You spoke on "super abundance", when that's broken down, you compare the abundance of the AVERAGE man vs 9/10 woman. Come on....I have no idea why you'd even compare the AVERAGE MALE to a 9/10 female to make some pt on abundance. Thats like me saying "the 7/10 girl has more abunance than an obese man!...thats super abundance!"
Again, who is talking abt men vs women? I actually hit ctrl+f to see if anyone had even said "man" in that context. The ONE man I ever referenced was a bouncer, and never said anything about him having more abundance than a woman. What are you talking about?
Lol, Arch where are you getting this? You're talking about men vs women now, which was never an argument I made, and when that doesnt work, now its I sound bitter lol. If you're going to talk "emotional control" dont make emotional arguments. See how specifically Ive said MULTIPLE times, even in the post YOU quoted that a woman who shows her body for a living, and if she has nothing to offer besides her looks is not some prize.

A woman

who has nothing to offer

besides her looks

is not a prize.

Have no idea what's bitter in that.

If I said:

A friend

who borrows money from you

and has nothing to offer

besides taking your money

Is not a good friend

Would you get from that that I'm bitter about friends who borrow money?

The rest is men v women and all that, and again and again, who made that argument?

Arch, dont let these chicks run game on you and tell you that "oh, I have 20 orbiters...its just a hot chick thing." No...she chose who to give her number to, she chose to set up an instagram acct and clicked "yes" to the invites. If anyone is disparaging hot women, its prob you if you cant admit they have choice. When you want to say they treat guys like shit..thats fine, they reject guys. When you want to say they give a ton of lame guys chances, thats fine, they give chances. When you want to say they approach, thats fine they approach. When you want to say the have super abundance... etc etc. Its not rocket science that if a chick has 100k Instagram followers and chose to strip she probably needs validation.Hence why its advised you treat them like shit and ignore them to take validation away. Funny when I say career matters, you'll say it doesnt but OP said:
I'd never advocate any guy to "settle" hence why I specifically told OP to value himself over whether a chick is on instagram. Settling goes both ways. If you want to talk settling, the guy with the 6 career wife is settling, but the guy with the 9 bartender, again with nothing else besides her looks is settling too. Youve already said you see sex as a prize..hmm..sounds like the guy with the obese wife who is jerking off as you said...he views sex with his wife as a prize as well. Difference is he's hoping to get his biscuit from master, you're getting your biscuit while "settling" for drama, games and fear of being too close cause she may run. And thats not directed at you, thats what the mentality means when you let these chick's instagram followers dictate your actions. You may not be on these chick's instragram account, but you're "following" them just the same; when she's asking to hang out, and you cant even say yes because you dont feel like she would.

Hence my signature. I don't gear advice towards STR/ONS.

You're looking at a very very basic level of attraction. There's a lot more to it, and these so called 'alpha females' (I'm just assuming women with options due to being high-up on all fronts) will look far wayy more than that.

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What you're describing doesn't work in theory, forget in practice, since you've given a bunch of arbitrary numbers out to women to represent their desirability, when in reality there is little consensus on such a thing (especially in a large, crowded, dark room).

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I think Neo is using the numbers to appease Arch's need for there to be 9's and 10's to set women apart.

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That's just what guys say who can't obtain 9's and 10's.

It's a form of ego protection. "I can't get them, so one man's 10 is another's 6", etc. Or "hot girls with nothing else to offer, no thanks I'll take a 7 with a career", LOL.

Sure.

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On the internet, guys with below average intellect are easy to ID since they'll post examples of "9's" and "10's" as women in airbrushed, professionally taken photos. Apparently, the secret for a girl to go from 6 to 9 is lighting.

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This is bullshit Arch. You call the girl you posted in that picture a 10 and someone else compared her to a PVC pipe. It's subjective. I say she's too flat chested to be a 9 or 10...but that's only my opinion and it should mean absolutely nothing to you if you're happy with her. The guys who say that they only get 9's and 10's are guys that need to validate themselves and it's sad because they are validating themselves to other men. Guys that date attractive women and don't need that validation will say that the woman is attractive or hot.

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If you go to a bar or a club, girls wear makeup, have their hair done, and wear clothing and waist trainers that will upgrade their rating. If you see a girl that you consider a 9 or a 10 at the club...chances are those numbers are lower when she's grocery shopping or just sitting around the house.

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